[thepostman]

nobody is saying anything about firing him right now, calm down.

[SuperJon]

nobody is saying anything about firing him right now, calm down.

This can't be reiterated enough. I'm not saying these things should happen tomorrow. I'm saying I believe he's not the coach to take us forward.

[Liberty22]

I was in the camp that thinks we had no shot at beating coastal. It's a big game (we rarely win big games) it's at coastal (where we haven't won since 08) but, after seeing Furman almost beat them gives me renewed hope. Especially if we get our MLBs back and healthy and avoid any big injuries. I saw Furman live this season and they are bad. I don't have world beater confidence but 50/50 confidence now.

[ballcoach15]

Coach Gill took over a Buffalo team that was the worse D1 team in football. He got them to a bowl game if my memory is correct.

[TH Spangler]

This can't be reiterated enough. I'm not saying these things should happen tomorrow. I'm saying I believe he's not the coach to take us forward.

Gills the man .... wait and see!

[Purple Haize]

Gill is a good guy which is probably why there will be a lot of people upset when the talk of him going elsewhere really picks up.

It will turn into a Dale Layer type situation. Everybody likes Layer but he isn't the guy to take us to where we need to go, just like Turner Gill.

That must be the acid you dropped from your time at Liberty speaking. There is absolutely no way the FB team under Gill resembles the MBB team under Layer. Other than they are both nice guys and the 'type' of person you want representing the school, they aren't the same. You are saying that we would have to sink to below a Karcher level on the field. If that happens I sing the Air Force song at midfield in a driving rain!

[jack_sparrow81]

I'm not taking anything away from what Coastal has accomplished, but there A.D. is a genius for scheduling type of teams they schedule year after year. Their OOC games this year is a joke, besides Furman (and they are starting to drop off along with the rest of the southern conference). If you honestly look at the past ten years, you will see the same thing year after year and they get destroyed when they play the big boys in FBS. They feast on the MEAC teams and the Elons and Citadels and then pump their chest from there. I will give them credit for the Montana win last year, but that is the only game that i've really been impressed. We've have always stated this since this board has been around, the polls love Coastal for some reason-always have. We should have easily been in the playoffs that 10-2, but political correctness kept us out. They are not light years ahead of our program by no means. With that being said though, this will be toughest year for Big South play. I'm all for resting/sitting the injured players this weekend, so that we will be healthy for conference play. This game used to mean a lot to me back when I was in school since I had some friends that went to App, but there is no point to it besides pride on Saturday and I rather have a full strength team heading into GW.

[flameshaw]

They've come nowhere close to passing us. I'm sorry, but racking up wins over teams like Point, Newberry, Shorter, North Greenville, and Campbell won't prove anything.

56-14

+1 million. Well said.

[flameshaw]

In my opinion I'm convinced more and more we are not FBS ready. I feel we need to be a consistent top five FCS team and we're not even a steady top 20. Let's become a top FCS program first and then talk about moving up.

Yep.

[bluejacket]

I'm not taking anything away from what Coastal has accomplished, but there A.D. is a genius for scheduling type of teams they schedule year after year. Their OOC games this year is a joke, besides Furman (and they are starting to drop off along with the rest of the southern conference). If you honestly look at the past ten years, you will see the same thing year after year and they get destroyed when they play the big boys in FBS. They feast on the MEAC teams and the Elons and Citadels and then pump their chest from there. I will give them credit for the Montana win last year, but that is the only game that i've really been impressed. We've have always stated this since this board has been around, the polls love Coastal for some reason-always have. We should have easily been in the playoffs that 10-2, but political correctness kept us out. They are not light years ahead of our program by no means. With that being said though, this will be toughest year for Big South play. I'm all for resting/sitting the injured players this weekend, so that we will be healthy for conference play. This game used to mean a lot to me back when I was in school since I had some friends that went to App, but there is no point to it besides pride on Saturday and I rather have a full strength team heading into GW.

I agree that they feast on bad teams and are slightly overrated. But they are reaping the benefits because they made playoffs for two consecutive seasons and advanced to the quarterfinals last season. The same thing happened with Stony Brook. If we could actually get into the playoffs and then win, we would start getting the benefit of the doubt too.

We should not have been in the playoffs in 2008. We scheduled ourselves out of the at-large and then we lost to Presbyterian. No at-large playoff team ever loses to Presbyterian; the same is true now even though they are getting better. This was especially true in 2008 when only 16 teams were making the playoffs (4 at large bids and 12 automatic bids). I don't understand why this keeps coming up.

[SuperJon]

Because Maine got in based off of good losses instead of us.

[jack_sparrow81]

From what I remember, the MEAC sent two teams that year with South Carolina St. being the questionable team that was picked ahead of us. Like someone mentioned earlier, Maine had no reason being selected as well ahead of us. We just need to get out of this mindset that we have no hope at Coastal this year. That ranking is deceiving.

[bluejacket]

Because Maine got in based off of good losses instead of us.

Losses to Iowa, JMU, Richmond, and UNH are better than losses to Lafayette and Presbyterian. Plus Maine played a full D-I schedule and we did not.

Regardless, it was almost six full seasons ago. I think that its time to move on.....

[jack_sparrow81]

my apologies it was 2010 that two MEAC teams got in over the Big South's 1

[SuperJon]

Because Maine got in based off of good losses instead of us.

Losses to Iowa, JMU, Richmond, and UNH are better than losses to Lafayette and Presbyterian. Plus Maine played a full D-I schedule and we did not.

Regardless, it was almost six full seasons ago. I think that its time to move on.....

You asked... Ha.

[bluejacket]

True

[forbidden]

I read we needed a real Assistant Head Coach- well isn't the OL coach walking around with that title?

I think we run "multiple" offenses because we really just go by what they think is a good game plan for the week. Some weeks we cant run the ball so were not a running team, we cant be a spread team with really only one receiver doing anything. Not hard to pick up the fact then that its more of a formation than an actual offensive philosophy. We are no ISU for sure.

I would like to know since we need a real coach around here, who do you have in mind, Saban, one of the million Bowden boys, Tuberville, Leach - come on LU has tons of resources yes, but you need to be a special type coach as well as a special type player to come to LU, and thats the bottom line. Yes, you may get a coach looking for a job, but that doesnt make him the right fit for LU by far.

[Purple Haize]

I read we needed a real Assistant Head Coach- well isn't the OL coach walking around with that title?

I think we run "multiple" offenses because we really just go by what they think is a good game plan for the week. Some weeks we cant run the ball so were not a running team, we cant be a spread team with really only one receiver doing anything. Not hard to pick up the fact then that its more of a formation than an actual offensive philosophy. We are no ISU for sure.

I would like to know since we need a real coach around here, who do you have in mind, Saban, one of the million Bowden boys, Tuberville, Leach - come on LU has tons of resources yes, but you need to be a special type coach as well as a special type player to come to LU, and thats the bottom line. Yes, you may get a coach looking for a job, but that doesnt make him the right fit for LU by far.

I don't think the suggestion was to have a 'real' coach. Rather, bringing on a coach with a specific skill set that shores up what may be Gill's weakness. Does he have problems with administrative organization? Game management? Etc. I don't know what Gill isn't doing well off the field so I can't be specific, but the solution has been done successfully before

[R i]

posty and SJ, not calling for him to be fired tomorrow but they both say he isnt the man for the future?

Are you just leaving the door open just in case he "changes his leadership style" ? If you really dont think hes the man for the future, then why shouldnt we give him the pink slip today, let wimbo fill in for the rest of the season, and cut our losses ?


We have less off the field, and less on the field penalties it seems to me (without looking up the numbers) So the claim of unorganized still is not validated to me.

[TDDance234]

Could it just be that we aren't as talented as the upper half of the FCS?

[SuperJon]

posty and SJ, not calling for him to be fired tomorrow but they both say he isnt the man for the future?

Are you just leaving the door open just in case he "changes his leadership style" ? If you really dont think hes the man for the future, then why shouldnt we give him the pink slip today, let wimbo fill in for the rest of the season, and cut our losses ?


We have less off the field, and less on the field penalties it seems to me (without looking up the numbers) So the claim of unorganized still is not validated to me.

The use of penalties to say we aren't an unorganized program is not a good example at all.

As for why you don't give him the pink slip today: we're unfortunately likely going to have to give that slip to Layer this year (which I really hope we don't have to do). It's not good for the program overall or for Barber personally to have to get rid of the two most high profile coaches in the same year. Give Gill the standard four years to prove himself, and when he doesn't, release him.

Just because I believe he's not the coach to get it done doesn't mean he doesn't deserve the opportunity to prove me wrong.

[jcmanson]

we're unfortunately likely going to have to give that slip to Layer this year

I hate to open this can of worms, but...

Why would Layer get the axe this year? What could he possibly do to deserve it that he hasn't done in the past 3 years? We all know this year is going to be a rebuilding year. So who cares if he loses 20 games again? There are ZERO expectations for men's hoops this season.

[SuperJon]

we're unfortunately likely going to have to give that slip to Layer this year

I hate to open this can of worms, but...

Why would Layer get the axe this year? What could he possibly do to deserve it that he hasn't done in the past 3 years? We all know this year is going to be a rebuilding year. So who cares if he loses 20 games again? There are ZERO expectations for men's hoops this season.

I hope to God you're right.

[forbidden]

But you really haven't offered a good reason to say why he's not the coach to lead us. I still don't see how anyone could say the coaches are not emphasizing certain points that seem to become issues on game day. I know for a fact that some things are addressed. The only thing that comes to mind for me is that the coaches believe that not all of the talent is there to do some of the things they want, so they don't do them.

Drops in a game by the wr is not a reflection on the coach as much as the player for dropping them. The coaches are doing the drills. The problem I see is that they apparently feel the talent behind them is not good enough to sit the players that make the same mistakes. That's where I blame the coaches, because they did pick the food that they wanted to cook with. Same thing on defense, if players aren't doing there jobs but keep being allowed on the field is that the player or the coach, for letting them stay out there.

We are more than capable but they need to find a way to hold on for the same 4QF they want the fans to have. It baffles me because I would like to know what type offense we run with Masha as opposed to Josh, how much if any does it change, because the skill sets are a little different. Pocket passer vs dual threat, then you still have the Bradwell kid waiting in the wings, with Swanson and Shashaty. On defense I think it's the philosophy they are gonna live and die with in the bend don't break. Try to make a team consistently have a long drive and hope for a mistake to force a punt, but dang giving a team 10 yd cushions and my old HS QB could make those throws for the most part.

[Purple Haize]

But you really haven't offered a good reason to say why he's not the coach to lead us. I still don't see how anyone could say the coaches are not emphasizing certain points that seem to become issues on game day. I know for a fact that some things are addressed. The only thing that comes to mind for me is that the coaches believe that not all of the talent is there to do some of the things they want, so they don't do them.

Drops in a game by the wr is not a reflection on the coach as much as the player for dropping them. The coaches are doing the drills. The problem I see is that they apparently feel the talent behind them is not good enough to sit the players that make the same mistakes. That's where I blame the coaches, because they did pick the food that they wanted to cook with. Same thing on defense, if players aren't doing there jobs but keep being allowed on the field is that the player or the coach, for letting them stay out there.

We are more than capable but they need to find a way to hold on for the same 4QF they want the fans to have. It baffles me because I would like to know what type offense we run with Masha as opposed to Josh, how much if any does it change, because the skill sets are a little different. Pocket passer vs dual threat, then you still have the Bradwell kid waiting in the wings, with Swanson and Shashaty. On defense I think it's the philosophy they are gonna live and die with in the bend don't break. Try to make a team consistently have a long drive and hope for a mistake to force a punt, but dang giving a team 10 yd cushions and my old HS QB could make those throws for the most part.

So are you saying it's the players or coaches. You start by saying it's NOT the coaches then finish saying it IS the coaches
I do agree with you that the WR drops are on the players as long as they are running drills in practice. I have experience in this for sure. You can run drills to improve a skill but that doesn't always mean it will improve