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Gill is not organized, at all. He struggled with the mundane to the significant tasks in running a program. He struggles with just organizing a practice.
Turner Gill's actual hands on fundamental and X and 0 coaching is severely, severely limited. He must rely on his staff to do it all. ... This lack of general football knowledge is critical because when there is a problem, he has no way to even identify what the problem is, let alone fix it.
Gill is a horrible public speaker, like the worst. He will install no public confidence in his message because he is not capable of articulating a message or plan. He might fool you the first time you hear him, but if you really listen he is beyond horrible. He will throw out random meaningless phrases like 'from that standpoint' and 'per se' at will, and you better get ready for the word 'there' because he says it every third word, said it around 80 times per television show.
No clue on time out or clock mangement. regularly burn at dumb times for not having enough guys on field.
Losses did not cost the job. He was only expected to win between 2 to 5 games. It was how they lost, often giving up by the 2nd or 3 rd quarter and setting records in futility that did it. And not one sign of improvement, it was actually getting worse.
The only way Gill could possibly work is if he has a great staff that does all coaching and organization for him and if he is just a figurehead, the guy who closes on recruits and kisses babies.Another KU fan with less animosity had this to say:
More of an annoyance than a fatal flaw, but he says very little in press conferences. I think every post game presser this season could have been interchanged with the rest of them. It was always "We just need to execute better and continue to improve from that standpoint," never saying how we were going to improve, what went wrong, or what we were going to change.
I think he is a good man, and cares about his players as much as any coach out there, but players need a coach more than they need a friend if they are going to be successful. I am sorry it didn't work out at KU because I think that off the field, he is a great person to represent an athletic department.
In Gill's entire career, he lucked into ONE decent season in which he finished tied FOURTH in the MAC, but because UB was in the by far weaker division (and because of a hail mary win), they got a chance to play in the MAC title game wherein they pulled a huge upset because the opposing team turned the ball over something like 7 times. That UB team had a NFL QB and RB (I don't think he recruited them) and that was the secret to success, not TG. They went back to normal the next year. Then the new coach came in and found the program in a mess, he didn't leave much behind.
Nebraska knows the guy better than ANYBODY. They love the guy there as he is a Forrest Gump type legend, but there were always rumors that he was not smart/competent enough to be a real coach (he was QB coach there), thus he was never a coordinator. Gill finally saw that they weren't taking him seriously so he took a desperation job at UB.
Now, remember NU knows the guy better than anyone. NEB job comes available. Two finalist are Turner Gill who just won the MAC championship as head coach and Bo Pellini who has never been a head coach. They don't hire Gill and go with the guy with NO HC experience. That says a lot in my book right there.
Jonathan Carone wrote:Why are fans not allowed to talk about the future of the program until the end of the season? We're not administrators. We're not coaches. We're not players. We're fans. What we say should have little to no impact on the team.This.
FlamesHighontheTide wrote:Jonathan,Because we're fans! It's what we do.
I am not saying we can't talk about the future of the program, but what good does it do for the fan base or for us in general if we almost make our judgement on Gill and this team 4 games into the season. On a more important note: appreciate your dialogue on this topic as well as how often you post! Keep up the good work.
Jonathan Carone wrote:Ain't that the truth! HaFlamesHighontheTide wrote:Jonathan,Because we're fans! It's what we do.
I am not saying we can't talk about the future of the program, but what good does it do for the fan base or for us in general if we almost make our judgement on Gill and this team 4 games into the season. On a more important note: appreciate your dialogue on this topic as well as how often you post! Keep up the good work.
ballcoach15 wrote:For whatever the reason, Liberty is snake bit when it comes to losing games we should win. It happened with Rocco and it has happened with Gill. Seems like every year we lose a game, that "kills" our season, when we should have probably won easily.I think Gill has won more big games than Rocco did. Not saying it makes one a better or worse coach but you gotta give the man his due
Jonathan Carone wrote:No one can argue that Gill hasn't won some big games since being here. In fact, he's won some of the biggest games in program history.Yet people continue to or at least diminish them
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