- October 23rd, 2021, 9:11 pm
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You need blocking and space in order to set up a successful screen
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Purple Haize wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2021, 8:48 pmAgreed PH - we ran 4 receivers with trips a ton and either got sacked or made them pay. Seems like old Big 12 offenses but the difference was no quick screen or RB dump off option like Baylor/TTU of old - our reads have to be a full half second faster doing that and get rid of the ball. Seems like we were tying to have best of both worlds and it didn’t work ( until it did ) - I watch OU go through a slow start on O Line every year and almost every year they go from subpar to excellent by end of season. LU with same guys back, not seeing much improvement - I blamed being banged up for a 2-3 weeks, but now seems there is more to it. We did run a 2 tight a lot early in the year. HF may have planned this game to go deep and spread them out based on secondary - BUT did not calculate protection worth a darn - and that screen play was 2 and half quarters too late. We should have popped that on 2nd drive to keep them honest.stokesjokes wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2021, 8:23 pm We have run 1 traditional RB screen all season (that I remember), and it was a 37 yard TD today. It bothers me that we don’t do this regularly and that it took so long to try, but hopefully coach’s eyes are open now.I remember there used to be a Tight End position as well
Idk what the deal is with the o-line. Is it personnel? Is it scheme? Is it technique? The latter two are fixable, but the former worries me.
paradox wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2021, 9:24 pm The Malik off balance shovel pass was like nothing I've ever seen. Twenty yards in the air. Perfectly on-target toss. Eye-hand coordination appears to be on par with Larry Bird. This guy is in a category that's all his own.Good post. It was a fun come back for sure. And that shovel pass was crazy. Went way farther than I expected. Also saving the safety by tossing it over his head was a game changer.
Also...loved the comeback...so many big plays...Bennet...Demario....Shedro...Shaa...Daniels
LibertyMan wrote: ↑October 24th, 2021, 2:41 pm These celebrations feel like the HCTG days when team struggle to get to 500 every season. “ULM gave up 159 point to 3 teams, barely beat JS and Troy and we loose to them. UNT’s only victory was against Northwestern State and there’s celebration like we just pulled out a victory over Ole Miss. There’s nothing to celebrate until we beat either Army, Ole Miss, or Ragin Cajuns. Hopefully all of them. But if we don’t beat either, the season is a failure at 7-5.” That’s my Coach speech in the locker room!Reminds you of long, long ago years of 2018 when UNT won 47-7 in Lynchburg ? My coach speech would be way to fight and win a tough road game, celebrate it and get ready for UMass.
LibertyMan wrote: ↑October 24th, 2021, 2:41 pm These celebrations feel like the HCTG days when team struggle to get to 500 every season. “ULM gave up 159 point to 3 teams, barely beat JS and Troy and we loose to them. UNT’s only victory was against Northwestern State and there’s celebration like we just pulled out a victory over Ole Miss. There’s nothing to celebrate until we beat either Army, Ole Miss, or Ragin Cajuns. Hopefully all of them. But if we don’t beat either, the season is a failure at 7-5.” That’s my Coach speech in the locker room!Point well taken that we are not playing as well as we should be but most other coaches locker room speech:
phoenix wrote: ↑October 24th, 2021, 12:52 pm I really think that the offensive line has gotten lazy because they figure Malik can get out of pressure anyway. Maybe the injury was a wakeup call for them - we'll have to see. Had we lost this game, 75% of it would have been on the OL (25% on the defense).My biggest fear is Malik is going to get seriously hurt. The protection is dismal and it is becoming detrimental to our QB. I'm tired of seeing him running for his life
Ill flame wrote: ↑October 24th, 2021, 9:00 pm That offensive line is going to make or break our offense next year without Malik. The other position groups should be solid (not great) but I worry how a less mobile QB performs with an offensive line that blocks like every play is a screen pass.Absolutely. Even with a mobile QB, and I don't think Salter or Bennett are quite to Malik's skill set yet.....we have got to figure something out. Yesterday alone, we gave of 5 sacks in the first 2 quarters. Totally unacceptable!!!
rtb72 wrote: ↑October 24th, 2021, 9:23 pmQB should be an open competition. Should be interesting. Nate Hampton is very much in the mix as well.Ill flame wrote: ↑October 24th, 2021, 9:00 pm That offensive line is going to make or break our offense next year without Malik. The other position groups should be solid (not great) but I worry how a less mobile QB performs with an offensive line that blocks like every play is a screen pass.Absolutely. Even with a mobile QB, and I don't think Salter or Bennett are quite to Malik's skill set yet.....we have got to figure something out. Yesterday alone, we gave of 5 sacks in the first 2 quarters. Totally unacceptable!!!
flameshaw wrote: ↑October 24th, 2021, 9:39 pm Football games are ALWAYS won or lost in the trenches. I thought we would be playing better on the O line with most all of them being super seniors.True. You almost never win, when you lose in the trenches. I watched the Ole Miss game yesterday, mostly because it was Eli Manning day. The guy was clutch with the Giants when they were able to keep him upright. Sadly, his prime years were wasted due to pathetic o-lines.
paradox wrote: ↑October 24th, 2021, 9:46 pmThis excites me. Normally I would dread losing a talent like Malik but Bennett has been a solid backup with salter and Hampton potentially passing him up. Whoever is starting will 100% earn that play time.rtb72 wrote: ↑October 24th, 2021, 9:23 pmQB should be an open competition. Should be interesting. Nate Hampton is very much in the mix as well.Ill flame wrote: ↑October 24th, 2021, 9:00 pm That offensive line is going to make or break our offense next year without Malik. The other position groups should be solid (not great) but I worry how a less mobile QB performs with an offensive line that blocks like every play is a screen pass.Absolutely. Even with a mobile QB, and I don't think Salter or Bennett are quite to Malik's skill set yet.....we have got to figure something out. Yesterday alone, we gave of 5 sacks in the first 2 quarters. Totally unacceptable!!!
paradox wrote: ↑October 24th, 2021, 9:46 pmAbsolutely! I didn't mean to imply he wasn't. Competition breeds stronger performance, and he certainly has potential. Whoever steers our offense...I don't want them to get hurt or constantly have to run for their life due to a pitiful O line.rtb72 wrote: ↑October 24th, 2021, 9:23 pmQB should be an open competition. Should be interesting. Nate Hampton is very much in the mix as well.Ill flame wrote: ↑October 24th, 2021, 9:00 pm That offensive line is going to make or break our offense next year without Malik. The other position groups should be solid (not great) but I worry how a less mobile QB performs with an offensive line that blocks like every play is a screen pass.Absolutely. Even with a mobile QB, and I don't think Salter or Bennett are quite to Malik's skill set yet.....we have got to figure something out. Yesterday alone, we gave of 5 sacks in the first 2 quarters. Totally unacceptable!!!
LibertyMan wrote: ↑October 24th, 2021, 2:41 pm These celebrations feel like the HCTG days when team struggle to get to 500 every season. “ULM gave up 159 point to 3 teams, barely beat JS and Troy and we loose to them. UNT’s only victory was against Northwestern State and there’s celebration like we just pulled out a victory over Ole Miss. There’s nothing to celebrate until we beat either Army, Ole Miss, or Ragin Cajuns. Hopefully all of them. But if we don’t beat either, the season is a failure at 7-5.” That’s my Coach speech in the locker room!If that's your "Coach Speech, I doubt anyone would be motivated to play for you at all. All your posts seem to be about pointing out mistakes, shortcomings or failures. You seem to relish the opportunity to degrade coaches or players that don't measure up to your 20/20 hindsight. There is someone like you at nearly every little league, junior high or high school game that I have been to and they don't seem to realize that everyone around them views them as a jerk. This team is struggling to balance last year's success with now being a team that is getting everyone's best shot. We have seen some great plays to go along with some inconsistancy. This team has yet to play their best game, but I think it's coming. Glad it doesn't depend on your "coach speech".
LibertyMan wrote: ↑October 24th, 2021, 2:41 pm These celebrations feel like the HCTG days when team struggle to get to 500 every season. “ULM gave up 159 point to 3 teams, barely beat JS and Troy and we loose to them. UNT’s only victory was against Northwestern State and there’s celebration like we just pulled out a victory over Ole Miss. There’s nothing to celebrate until we beat either Army, Ole Miss, or Ragin Cajuns. Hopefully all of them. But if we don’t beat either, the season is a failure at 7-5.” That’s my Coach speech in the locker room!If you think we're celebrating like we beat Ole Miss, you're very much underestimating how much we will all be celebrating if we beat Ole Miss.
ballcoach15 wrote: ↑October 25th, 2021, 8:57 amI don’t know if that will be as key as helping Malik stay upright and more importantly healthy. He said he was alright after the game, but there was a scamper for a 1st down on a 3rd and 4 where it appeared he was clearly limping on that left foot. Like others have said though, it’s tough not to like this kid. Giving up back-to-back sacks, one of which came when they only rushed 3 is not good.Kricket wrote: ↑October 25th, 2021, 7:21 am Also, we will be overmatched against Ole Miss, but something tells me Freeze has a game plan already mostly prepared in his head for that game.#1 key to Ole Miss game will be our pass defense.
Ill flame wrote: ↑October 25th, 2021, 11:30 am I think I would rather see Bennett start this game and Willis come in if things go south. The more healthy we can get before Ole miss the better.This.