[Jonathan Carone]

"Come watch your six time Big South Champions!" - That feels like a lie - or disingenuous at best - because we know the context.

"Boasting a great record vs ranked opponents at home" - That feels like a lie - or disingenuous at best - because we know the context.

I get that it's the job of marketing to market the team. They have to do what sells the program in the best light. It just feels over the top because those of us who actually follow the program know it's just fluff on a crap cupcake.

[LUnpretty11]

"Come watch your six time Big South Champions!" - That feels like a lie - or disingenuous at best - because we know the context. Yes

"Boasting a great record vs ranked opponents at home" - That feels like a lie - or disingenuous at best - because we know the context. I disagree. I acknowledge it's not great, but it doesn't feel like a lie or disingenuous

I get that it's the job of marketing to market the team. They have to do what sells the program in the best light. It just feels over the top because those of us who actually follow the program know it's just fluff on a crap cupcake. This is just frustration about not meeting expectations in general and falling short of the playoffs year after year. I can't fault you for feeling this way.

We are not as good as we should be, but we are not as bad as it may feel.

[PAmedic]

Ha. Fluff on a crap cupcake. That's awesome

[PAmedic]

And I'm stealing it

[Jonathan Carone]

Ha. Fluff on a crap cupcake. That's awesome

Was pretty proud of that one.

[Jonathan Carone]

"Come watch your six time Big South Champions!" - That feels like a lie - or disingenuous at best - because we know the context.Yes

"Boasting a great record vs ranked opponents at home" - That feels like a lie - or disingenuous at best - because we know the context. I disagree. I acknowledge it's not great, but it doesn't feel like a lie or disingenuous

I get that it's the job of marketing to market the team. They have to do what sells the program in the best light. It just feels over the top because those of us who actually follow the program know it's just fluff on a crap cupcake. This is just frustration about not meeting expectations in general and falling short of the playoffs year after year. I can't fault you for feeling this way.

We are not as good as we should be, but we are not as bad as it may feel.

Here's the rub: we won't agree because we feel differently. I was a part of the football program for the 07-08 teams so that has heavily influenced how I look at the program today. I think your internship with the athletic department started in 09 (?) so your expectations are different than mine. Because of that, we're going to feel different. We can go back and forth all day long and not change each other's minds. We agree on the facts. We just disagree on how to interpret those facts.

[thepostman]

He is on Liberty's payroll so I'm not sure it's going go stop. He is a good guy and some people like it which I guess is all that matters.

[Purple Haize]

I prefer his uncle Q. He was great on Star Trek: The Next Generation

[LUnpretty11]

....
Here's the rub: we won't agree because we feel differently. I was a part of the football program for the 07-08 teams so that has heavily influenced how I look at the program today. I think your internship with the athletic department started in 09 (?) so your expectations are different than mine. Because of that, we're going to feel different. We can go back and forth all day long and not change each other's minds. We agree on the facts. We just disagree on how to interpret those facts.

Dang, I thought you were going to concede! I agree with you on this though.

However, I blame your class for setting the table. I had friends who graduated in the 06-08 time frame and they would always talk about how boring it was to go to games cause we would blow out everyone... It all started with you!! Witch!

[BJWilliams]

Well I'd offer my thoughts but I'm a know nothing peon who never worked for the athletic department...

Seriously though, this is good dialogue to have. I am more on pretty's side of things in most of this but this is discussion I think needs to be had in Athletics and in Marketing

[LUnpretty11]

Well I'd offer my thoughts but I'm a know nothing peon who never worked for the athletic department...

Seriously though, this is good dialogue to have. I am more on pretty's side of things in most of this but this is discussion I think needs to be had in Athletics and in Marketing

Are you trying to stop peoples 1st amendment right to free speech on a message board AGAIN? C'moooon Beej!

Also, HT is Humble Tip. His most recent Liberty song should not be played at any LU sporting event or used for hype videos. That is not to take away from who he is as a person.

[Purple Haize]

Well I'd offer my thoughts but I'm a know nothing peon who never worked for the athletic department...

Seriously though, this is good dialogue to have. I am more on pretty's side of things in most of this but this is discussion I think needs to be had in Athletics and in Marketing

Are you trying to stop peoples 1st amendment right to free speech on a message board AGAIN? C'moooon Beej!

Also, HT is Humble Tip. His most recent Liberty song should not be played at any LU sporting event or used for hype videos. That is not to take away from who he is as a person.

It's his default position. He thinks nothing should be discussed here unless first vetted by the Powers That Be. For They are all knowing

[BJWilliams]

No pretty I'm not...I'm saying that discussion like this is what they should be having but apparently aren't. The fact that this sort of a discussion is first taking place here and not in those offices is disconcerting to me.

[Jonathan Carone]

You don't know that they're not having these discussions there. I'm personally not the biggest fan of our marketing leadership/strategies but that doesn't mean they're incompetent or not doing their jobs.

[LUnpretty11]

No pretty I'm not...I'm saying that discussion like this is what they should be having but apparently aren't. The fact that this sort of a discussion is first taking place here and not in those offices is disconcerting to me.

It was a joke, Beej. I know you aren't. Kinda.

I can say, with a fair amount of certainty, that the athletic department has regular conversations on how to market to the entire fan base. There will always be rose colored glasses from an athletic department when promoting its teams. Here is a perfect example: http://charlotte49ers.com/ "49ers Drop Season Opener at #19 Louisville". They got obliterated.

The Liberty athletic department will always market in a position to show excitement and optimism, as they should. You always want your fan base to have a reason to be excited, engaged and optimistic. I'm sure the conversations around this are taking place on a regular basis.

[thepostman]

BJWilliams. The unofficial flamefans buzz kill for the past 10+ years!!!

EDIT: I mean A Sea of Red of course.