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By R i
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I remember wanting it to Rain every game we were out matched when we had Rashad. It was like our Running game could eat up the clock, and make the games closer. Not sure if I want the rain Next weekend in Chapel Hill.
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By bluejacket
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R i wrote:I remember wanting it to Rain every game we were out matched when we had Rashad. It was like our Running game could eat up the clock, and make the games closer. Not sure if I want the rain Next weekend in Chapel Hill.
We need it to be clear and sunny so that we can use the offense. We cannot afford to go toe to toe with them in the trenches. If we do, we will get smashed by their depth.

Here's the formula to win. We will have to be 65/35 in pass/run yards and chew the clock for touchdown drives (38:00+). Additionally we must be at least +2 in the turnover margin. We need an ODU type game plan from the defense. Let them rack up yards and waste game clock, but don't give up touchdowns. Plus, we can't have ANY special teams miscues. If we do these things, we can win.
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By Sly Fox
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I think you might be soft-selling the turnover margin. I would suggest it needs to be at least +4/5 for us to have any real chance.
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By BJWilliams
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Looking at their roster, most of the experience as far as the defensive backfield is concerned is at the safety position (3 juniors and a senior). I think we have the guys to challenge the corners
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By R i
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Im with Sly, its in the 4 or 5 turnover range. I think we want the rain to be a nuetralizer. We have the LBs to stop their run game. I mean this is all just hyper anyalyzation because Im getting pumped.

I cant spell, so theres that.
By Chippy
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bluejacket wrote:
R i wrote:I remember wanting it to Rain every game we were out matched when we had Rashad. It was like our Running game could eat up the clock, and make the games closer. Not sure if I want the rain Next weekend in Chapel Hill.
We need it to be clear and sunny so that we can use the offense. We cannot afford to go toe to toe with them in the trenches. If we do, we will get smashed by their depth.

Here's the formula to win. We will have to be 65/35 in pass/run yards and chew the clock for touchdown drives (38:00+). Additionally we must be at least +2 in the turnover margin. We need an ODU type game plan from the defense. Let them rack up yards and waste game clock, but don't give up touchdowns. Plus, we can't have ANY special teams miscues. If we do these things, we can win.
The two INTs in the endzone kept us ahead and in the game . . . until the last 4 minutes . . . :(
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By Sly Fox
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NewsObserver.com wrote:UNC QB coach Keith Heckendorf on Marquise Williams, Mitch Trubisky and competition
Posted by Andrew Carter on August 19, 2014
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CHAPEL HILL — Keith Heckendorf spent the past three seasons working at North Carolina as a player development coach – a sort of nebulous position somewhere between a graduate assistant and a full-fledged assistant coach. Rising up the coaching ladder can be a difficult climb.

Then came a break. And another one. Blake Anderson, the Tar Heels' former offensive coordinator, became the head coach at Arkansas State last December, and he hired Heckendorf as his tights ends coach and recruiting coordinator. Not long after, UNC coach Larry Fedora came up with a better offer: come back to Chapel Hill and become the Tar Heels' quarterbacks coach.

Heckendorf, who'd worked with UNC's quarterbacks from 2011-13, accepted. And so here he is, in the middle of the most important position competition at UNC. Marquise Williams, a fourth-year junior, and Mitch Trubisky, a redshirt freshman, have been competing for the starting job since the spring. They have gone back and forth, switching places with the first team offense and competing everywhere from the practice field to the meeting room.
And here's an interesting piece of intel ...
--on the advantages of finalizing the decision a week or so before the first game:

“There's probably more advantages for the guy that isn't named the starter, and taking that first snap so he can prepare his mind. Because right now they're both preparing like they're going to start this ballgame. And that's the mindset we want them to have. They're both going to start studying Liberty once we break camp and that's where their focus is going to be, and they both need to prepare like they're going to take that first snap. One of them will and one of them won't. But the other one's got to be ready to go in at some point in that ballgame and do exactly what he was preparing to do as if he was the starter.”

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/08/19/ ... rylink=cpy
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By bluejacket
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Sly Fox wrote:I think you might be soft-selling the turnover margin. I would suggest it needs to be at least +4/5 for us to have any real chance.
R i wrote:Im with Sly, its in the 4 or 5 turnover range. I think we want the rain to be a nuetralizer. We have the LBs to stop their run game. I mean this is all just hyper anyalyzation because Im getting pumped.

I cant spell, so theres that.
They're the best team that we have ever faced, but they are not so good that we need that high of a turnover margin. App. State was plus 1 against Michigan in 2007. JMU was plus 3 against VT in 2010. NDSU in their last four FBS games:

at Kansas (2010) +2 W 6-3
at Minnesota (2011) +2 W 37-24
at Colorado St. (2012) +1 W 22-7
at Kansas St. (2013) +1 W 24-21

If we finish plus 4 against UNC, I am very, very confident that we will have won.
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By bluejacket
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Chippy wrote:
bluejacket wrote:
R i wrote:I remember wanting it to Rain every game we were out matched when we had Rashad. It was like our Running game could eat up the clock, and make the games closer. Not sure if I want the rain Next weekend in Chapel Hill.
We need it to be clear and sunny so that we can use the offense. We cannot afford to go toe to toe with them in the trenches. If we do, we will get smashed by their depth.

Here's the formula to win. We will have to be 65/35 in pass/run yards and chew the clock for touchdown drives (38:00+). Additionally we must be at least +2 in the turnover margin. We need an ODU type game plan from the defense. Let them rack up yards and waste game clock, but don't give up touchdowns. Plus, we can't have ANY special teams miscues. If we do these things, we can win.
The two INTs in the endzone kept us ahead and in the game . . . until the last 4 minutes . . . :(
We flat out gave away the ODU game. They won, but we gave it away.
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By bluejacket
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SuperJon wrote:To compare us to NDSU in any way, shape, or form negates any argument after the comparison.
The year before NDSU beat Kansas, they finished the season 3-8. That win was a major catalyst for what happened during the rest of that season (a national semi-final appearance), three more FBS wins in following seasons, and three consecutive national championships. NDSU is a historically strong program dating back to their dominance in D-II, but their win against Kansas was a decisive turning point in their history that laid the foundation for everything that followed.

I can give you plenty of other examples, even if you ignore the ones I have given. Gardner-Webb beat Akron 38-37 in 2010. We beat them 40-14 later that same year. The TO margin for GWU-Akron was +1 GWU. UNC is not a top 5 team where we need +3 or +4 TO margin to get close.
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By BJWilliams
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North Dakota State beat an FBS program and went on to three straight national championships...Gardner-Webb beat an FBS program and has not finished above third in the Big South conference and changed coaches...your point?
By Chippy
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bluejacket wrote:
Sly Fox wrote:I think you might be soft-selling the turnover margin. I would suggest it needs to be at least +4/5 for us to have any real chance.
R i wrote:Im with Sly, its in the 4 or 5 turnover range. I think we want the rain to be a nuetralizer. We have the LBs to stop their run game. I mean this is all just hyper anyalyzation because Im getting pumped.

I cant spell, so theres that.
They're the best team that we have ever faced, but they are not so good that we need that high of a turnover margin. App. State was plus 1 against Michigan in 2007. JMU was plus 3 against VT in 2010. NDSU in their last four FBS games:

at Kansas (2010) +2 W 6-3
at Minnesota (2011) +2 W 37-24
at Colorado St. (2012) +1 W 22-7
at Kansas St. (2013) +1 W 24-21

If we finish plus 4 against UNC, I am very, very confident that we will have won.
Were any of these wins against a ranked opponent like UNC is this year?
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By bluejacket
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Chippy wrote:Were any of these wins against a ranked opponent like UNC is this year?
Yes.

Michigan was #5 in AP poll, #5 in coaches poll in 2007 (opening game; was first game on Big Ten Network; beat #9 Florida and 2007 Heisman Trophy winner Tim Tebow in Capital One Bowl)
Virginia Tech was #13 against JMU in 2010 (lost to Boise St. on Monday earlier in same week; later won ACC championship and played in Orange Bowl where they lost to Stanford)
Kansas was unranked in 2010 (opening week; first game for Turner Gill at Kansas; finished 3-9)
Minnesota was unranked in 2011 (week 4 game; lost to USC 17-19 in first week; finished 3-9)
Colorado St. was unranked in 2012 (week 2 game; beat rival Colorado in week 1; finished 4-8)
Kansas St. was unranked but received votes (first game in renovated Bill Snyder Family Stadium, named in honor of their head coach; beat Michigan in Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl; finished 8-5 and receiving votes)

There have only been 3 FCS wins over ranked FBS teams (App. St. over #5 Michigan in 2007; JMU over #13 VT in 2010; Eastern Washington over #25 Oregon St. in 2013).
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By bluejacket
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BJWilliams wrote:North Dakota State beat an FBS program and went on to three straight national championships...Gardner-Webb beat an FBS program and has not finished above third in the Big South conference and changed coaches...your point?
UNC is very good, but to say that we need to be +4 or +5 in TO margin to win is really high. We will win the game if we force that many turnovers. We were -5 in TO against NC State in 2011 (7 TOTAL TURNOVERS), but also within 9 points of them with five minutes to go in the game. The final of 43-21 did not show how poorly we played on offense during the game.

Nevertheless, we won't force many turnovers on Sat. UNC finished tied for 30th in FBS with +.58 turnover margin in 2013. They don't force a ton of turnovers, but they are good at protecting the football. We finished 3rd in FCS with +1.3 turnover margin in 2013, but those stats are skewed because of our schedule.
By Chippy
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This is what stands out in article:

"The Flames will face a ranked FBS opponent for the first time in program history, and the task of winning in Chapel Hill will be a tall one. Third-year coach Larry Fedora runs a fast-paced offense, though it’s still unclear which quarterback — Mitch Trubisky or Marquise Williams — will lead it. UNC hasn’t lost to an FCS opponent in 15 years."
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