[Purple Haize]

1. Whether a team is 'relevant' or not is in material to our attendance. IMO, and that of those who study such things, we will not be ready to make the move to the next level and be successful until we support the team for who we are, not who we are playing. Look at Big Time BCS schools when they play FCS schools. Yep, still sold out.
2. Pursuant to #1 did anyone notice the attendance at BCS schools where the weather was worse then ours? Madison in November isn't exactly balmy. Nor Boise Idaho.
3. Burning a redshirt 2 games into the year is not a bad thing. Burning a redshirt with 2 games LEFT in the year is impeachable.
4. What proof do we have that we will come out focused next week? We didn't come out focused this week. VMI should be a scrimmage game, but I take with a grain of salt the guarantees of focus. SB looms large on the horizon.
5. MB is a fine athlete but a mediocre QB. that is not meant as a knock, just my opinion that he is a RB/WR playing the QB position. Obviously we don't have anyone better or they would be on the field by now. Even Mr Redshirt.
6. Since the students didn't show up then you sorta have to blame them. Can't really blame anyone else. If the Baptist side didn't show up then blame them. Unless you want to blame Bush, Obama or the New World order....

[Purple Haize]

CJ transparency is not always a good thing. What do you think a current employer is going to do when they hear you bragging about how great you are, how lame their company is and you are going to make bank at another company then.........don't get the job at the other company? What do you think your new employer is going to think when they hear you say the same thing? Are they going to wonder what you will say about them?
To sound like an old geezer, it is the typical inflated sense of self worth that college age kids have now a days. I see it everyday and it never ceases to make me smile when they realize the world truly doesn't revolve around them.

[bigsmooth]

first of all, i do not care who stormed the field and did not say you couldn't.if you did great! second i did not not blame the students, but they should attend no matter who the opponent is. im also glad you listed your LU lineage...i do not know what that really has to do with anything. I have two degrees from LU... and have had family and friends of family attend this fine institution...big freaking deal. MB did not have a good game but stepped up when he had to. I'm also not a homer. i criticize when needed. to your previous post that you would skip your home school soccer game to go watch another match? if im your teammate i would lose 100% respect for you and if i was your coach, i would kick you off the team. you have no clue my friend.if you are such a know it all then go take JB's job and put us in the CAA or SoCon. We are in the little south for the time being and we will have to deal with it. my whole beef in this whole discussion is a part of the student body who wants to stay in the dorm and watch a school they did not go to rather than show some school spirit and cheer on the team no matter who they play. Rome wasnt built in a day and LU will continue to prosper and our fan base will grow but it will take time, but the quicker the students fill up the stands the quicker the stadium will expand and we will move to greater heights.. and Cider...i would win the cage match against schweatty but would take BEE-JAY over anyone

[bradyfan]

1. news flash: we aren't a big time BCS program. before VT joined the Big East, lane stadium had no reputation and vt football was at best average. since VT made that move, they've competed for a national championship, produced a ton of NFL players, joined the ACC and dominated that conference, lane stadium has become almost impossible to win in, and VT can pack 60k plus week in and week out.
2. Madison has built a reputation and a history. Duh, they'll have good attendance at their games. We've only been around for 40 years or so and football only recently got big. We won't have great attendance until A. we become an established program or B. we play big time opponents. Is it honestly the students fault that we play in the Big-South and it was cold yesterday? Are they really bad fans for not wanting to go to a game where we should destroy the competition again? Especially since it was so cold yesterday and their family was in town. The point is that for right now, we haven't been around long enough to have as strong of a raw student support like VT or JMU have. However, we know that we can pack Williams Stadium when we play good teams. Don't tell me that the opponent doesn't matter when it's packed when we play JMU, W&M, etc but it's empty when we play Presbytarian. Until we become a BCS program or we have a rich history, our opponent will determine a large part of our attendance.
3. I'm not advocating we put in Woodrum for Brown. That would be a mistake. I'm only saying that I don't think MB is cut out to lead this team where it wants to go and Woodrum is.
4. Agreed.
5. Agreed with the exception that I think Woodrum could come in and play as good if not better than Brown.
6. I'm not blaming the students, even if it were their fault. You start blaming them, they stop coming to games no matter who it is. We're already going to have a tough time getting a good attendance for the first rd of playoffs, should we make it. The last thing I want to do is tell the students that they suck as fans. My roommate got to spend time with his family for the first time since he moved in. If it's cold outside, we're playing a crappy team and he hasn't seen them in a while, I don't blame him for not going. Family > home vs. Presby. Not being sick > home vs. Presby. Stop telling these students that they have to go to every game or else they're bad fans. Instead thank the few thousand students that suffered yesterday as Liberty played horrible.

[bradyfan]

CJ transparency is not always a good thing. What do you think a current employer is going to do when they hear you bragging about how great you are, how lame their company is and you are going to make bank at another company then.........don't get the job at the other company? What do you think your new employer is going to think when they hear you say the same thing? Are they going to wonder what you will say about them?.

they aren't going to care about any of that if my sales numbers are good enough. it's different if i'm just a cart boy at home depot and i don't bring anything to the table. however, if i'm the VP of marketing at a large firm and i'm the reason that that firm has had any sort of success, i can say and do what i want.

[Purple Haize]

I still can't wrap my arms around " it's too cold to attend the game". That would be the literal definition of 'fair weather fans'. The point in naming those other cold weather schools is that their students show up, regardless. If we want to move up we need students who will do the same. We don't have that and until we do moving up will be more difficult. You make my point brilliantly. We have fans show up because of who we are playing, not who we are. How. Do you expect us to build a reputation if we don't have students at the game? If they have no emotional investment NOW, they certainly won't have it later.
And, yes you did call for a redshirt to be burned. Read your own posts

[bradyfan]

first of all, i do not care who stormed the field and did not say you couldn't.if you did great! second i did not not blame the students, but they should attend no matter who the opponent is. im also glad you listed your LU lineage...i do not know what that really has to do with anything. I have two degrees from LU... and have had family and friends of family attend this fine institution...big freaking deal. MB did not have a good game but stepped up when he had to. I'm also not a homer. i criticize when needed. to your previous post that you would skip your home school soccer game to go watch another match? if im your teammate i would lose 100% respect for you and if i was your coach, i would kick you off the team. you have no clue my friend.if you are such a know it all then go take JB's job and put us in the CAA or SoCon. We are in the little south for the time being and we will have to deal with it. my whole beef in this whole discussion is a part of the student body who wants to stay in the dorm and watch a school they did not go to rather than show some school spirit and cheer on the team no matter who they play. Rome wasnt built in a day and LU will continue to prosper and our fan base will grow but it will take time, but the quicker the students fill up the stands the quicker the stadium will expand and we will move to greater heights.. and Cider...i would win the cage match against schweatty but would take BEE-JAY over anyone

ahem, i brought up my lineage to show that if anyone is a die-hard LU fan or knows anything about the program, it's me. i knew Jerry on a personal level and i have watched this program since they palyed in city stadium and wore the helments that were just blue on one side and red on the other.

i meant more or less to say that if i had the opportunity to go play at another school. it's more like if i had the chance to go watch the homeschool soccer team that i played on against the team we always killed or go watch Hidden Valley play Blacksburg...i'm going to watch Hidden Valley. it's much more entertaining to watch quality verses my home team do what they always do against a team i don't care about.

i know you have beef with the student body staying in their dorm watching their home team on espn or whatever. i have the same beef with that. however, i approach it a different way. i blame the fact that we play crappy schools over the students wanting to watch their home team. is it true that most students support their home team verses Liberty? sure. however, there's more to it than just that. if i'm from Michigan and i'm a MSU fan, your dang straight that i'm going sit in my dorm and watch us play Nebraska verses walking down to the stadium to watch my school play Presbytarian. i guarantee you that if we would have played richmond yesterday, 16,000+ would have been there. when you are a FCS program with no history, your opponent makes all the difference in your attendance.

[bradyfan]

I still can't wrap my arms around " it's too cold to attend the game". That would be the literal definition of 'fair weather fans'. The point in naming those other cold weather schools is that their students show up, regardless. If we want to move up we need students who will do the same. We don't have that and until we do moving up will be more difficult. You make my point brilliantly. We have fans show up because of who we are playing, not who we are. How. Do you expect us to build a reputation if we don't have students at the game? If they have no emotional investment NOW, they certainly won't have it later.
And, yes you did call for a redshirt to be burned. Read your own posts

Okay, Boise State is competing for a national championship at the FBS level. How is that comparable to Liberty? We played a school no one has ever heard about yesterday. All but one of our home games this year have been utterly boring. We have almost no history. JMU has won a championship before and they have a very rich history. Not to mention that they've been floating around that 15-17k enrollment for a while. So, their alumni runs deeper than ours. Your bringing up my point. We need to get emotional investment NOW by bringing in big time opponents rather than Presbytarian and Kentucky Wesleyan. We know that if we play good teams, students show up for the games. A lot of schools like Lehigh or Furman can't get anyone to show up no matter who they play. My point is that you should be impressed with how we've done considering the teams that we play. Also, that if we played better opponents we have more people at the games and our fan base would build a whole lot quicker.

[Purple Haize]

CJ transparency is not always a good thing. What do you think a current employer is going to do when they hear you bragging about how great you are, how lame their company is and you are going to make bank at another company then.........don't get the job at the other company? What do you think your new employer is going to think when they hear you say the same thing? Are they going to wonder what you will say about them?.

they aren't going to care about any of that if my sales numbers are good enough. it's different if i'm just a cart boy at home depot and i don't bring anything to the table. however, if i'm the VP of marketing at a large firm and i'm the reason that that firm has had any sort of success, i can say and do what i want.

Possibly the biggest myth in the world. Ask anyone IN sales for more than a few years and you will know numbers are not the bottom line. And how do you expect to be a VP let alone an effective one if you think you can do or say what you want? You continue to make my point. You are not alone in your over inflated sense of self worth and entitlement. What is wrong with being a cart person at Home Depot? Is that type of job beneath you? If the firm is large, dont you think they were doing something right BEFORE you got there? And when downsizing comes, they will look at those with high salaries and wonder if they can find someone less expensive who can do the job. What type of job do you think you are g oing to walk into right out of college? You might BE that cart boy.

[Purple Haize]

Again, we need students who show up regardless of who the opponent is. We need students who will forgo that MSU game on TV to WALK to the stadium and watch THEIR school play. Until we do we will not build a heritage that you long for. The opponent should not matter. What you are espousing is cheering for individual games, not the entire program

[bradyfan]

CJ transparency is not always a good thing. What do you think a current employer is going to do when they hear you bragging about how great you are, how lame their company is and you are going to make bank at another company then.........don't get the job at the other company? What do you think your new employer is going to think when they hear you say the same thing? Are they going to wonder what you will say about them?.

they aren't going to care about any of that if my sales numbers are good enough. it's different if i'm just a cart boy at home depot and i don't bring anything to the table. however, if i'm the VP of marketing at a large firm and i'm the reason that that firm has had any sort of success, i can say and do what i want.

Possibly the biggest myth in the world. Ask anyone IN sales for more than a few years and you will know numbers are not the bottom line. And how do you expect to be a VP let alone an effective one if you think you can do or say what you want? You continue to make my point. You are not alone in your over inflated sense of self worth and entitlement. What is wrong with being a cart person at Home Depot? Is that type of job beneath you? If the firm is large, dont you think they were doing something right BEFORE you got there? And when downsizing comes, they will look at those with high salaries and wonder if they can find someone less expensive who can do the job. What type of job do you think you are g oing to walk into right out of college? You might BE that cart boy.

Yeah, I grew up the son of a small-business owner who has posted large profits. My dad's company made money during the recession. Imagine that. There's nothing wrong with being a cart boy at HD, I've done that before. I brought that up because if you're in that type of position then you have no room to say anything bad about your company. The reason being because you could lose your job with the snap of a finger. However, if you are the reason why your company has had any success you can say/do whatever you want to get a better job. It'd be the same thing as Lebron James saying he wants out of Cleveland because Cleveland sucks. Do you honestly think that if no one else gives him an offer, Cleveland wouldn't take him? You're delusional if you think that. If you go out and prove yourself and you make yourself valuable to a company, you allow yourself room to say and do the things you want.

[flamesfan30]

saturday was the exception, not the rule. everyone (the students) will be back for vmi. calling it. if nothing else, it will be because jeff barber will implore us to show up and look good on tv in convo on friday.

[BJWilliams]

To add to Purple's point...I havent missed a home football game here in the last 8 seasons (9 after next Saturday against VMI). Jon didnt miss a football game in 2 or 3 years and then ended up getting a job with the football team. Guys like him and JDUB and BrysOn and a lot of the other guys and gals who made up the LUnatics. When you have hundreds of students packing "Roccotown" the night before a game whether it is against St Francis or against Appalachian State. When you have whole dorms travelling to away games. That is when we will have arrived and will build that heritage that you think we should have cj

[Purple Haize]

CJ you miss the big exception. That is between owning your own business and working for someone else.
Your sports analogy is also flawed on two fronts. The first being that professional athletes are in essence independent contractors. Secondly, there are boundaries no matter how good you are. See : Michael Ray Richardson, Roy Tarpley, Latrell Sprewell, TO, etc. I know many a great sales person who were displaced and it had nothing to do with their numbers.
And companies exist to make a profit. So making one in a recession, while admirable shouldn't be unexpected. If you don't make a profit you don't stay in business.

[bradyfan]

To add to Purple's point...I havent missed a home football game here in the last 8 seasons (9 after next Saturday against VMI). Jon didnt miss a football game in 2 or 3 years and then ended up getting a job with the football team. Guys like him and JDUB and BrysOn and a lot of the other guys and gals who made up the LUnatics. When you have hundreds of students packing "Roccotown" the night before a game whether it is against St Francis or against Appalachian State. When you have whole dorms travelling to away games. That is when we will have arrived and will build that heritage that you think we should have cj

I know that we haven't arrived to that point. That's why I'm saying we need to do our best to get out of the Big South. If we can get into the CAA or SoCon then we will arrive at that point. We're bringing in 18k+ while dominating a horrible conference. We have a great fan base for what we provide them with and my point is that the students shouldn't be blamed.

[Purple Haize]

To add to Purple's point...I havent missed a home football game here in the last 8 seasons (9 after next Saturday against VMI). Jon didnt miss a football game in 2 or 3 years and then ended up getting a job with the football team. Guys like him and JDUB and BrysOn and a lot of the other guys and gals who made up the LUnatics. When you have hundreds of students packing "Roccotown" the night before a game whether it is against St Francis or against Appalachian State. When you have whole dorms travelling to away games. That is when we will have arrived and will build that heritage that you think we should have cj

I know that we haven't arrived to that point. That's why I'm saying we need to do our best to get out of the Big South. If we can get into the CAA or SoCon then we will arrive at that point. We're bringing in 18k+ while dominating a horrible conference. We have a great fan base for what we provide them with and my point is that the students shouldn't be blamed.

Yeah. It's always someone else's fault

[bradyfan]

CJ you miss the big exception. That is between owning your own business and working for someone else.
Your sports analogy is also flawed on two fronts. The first being that professional athletes are in essence independent contractors. Secondly, there are boundaries no matter how good you are. See : Michael Ray Richardson, Roy Tarpley, Latrell Sprewell, TO, etc. I know many a great sales person who were displaced and it had nothing to do with their numbers.

oh my gosh. you have got to read your own statements. YOU - "Ask anyone in sales and they will tell you that numbers are not the bottom line." My dad is in sales! He owns his own company and manages employees. I've worked in sales before and I'm majoring in Business. I know that world very well and sure numbers may not be the end all be all but they are the major factor in who wants you. Just because you know many great sales people who were displaced and it didn't have to do with their numbers, doesn't mean that that's the rule. I know what people look for when they hire an employee and integrity is about 5th on the list. Sales are usually first sometimes second and seldomly third.

[jbock13]

Cjsweat, please explain to us how liberty can join the caa please?

btw: business major. That explains all.

[bradyfan]

To add to Purple's point...I havent missed a home football game here in the last 8 seasons (9 after next Saturday against VMI). Jon didnt miss a football game in 2 or 3 years and then ended up getting a job with the football team. Guys like him and JDUB and BrysOn and a lot of the other guys and gals who made up the LUnatics. When you have hundreds of students packing "Roccotown" the night before a game whether it is against St Francis or against Appalachian State. When you have whole dorms travelling to away games. That is when we will have arrived and will build that heritage that you think we should have cj

I know that we haven't arrived to that point. That's why I'm saying we need to do our best to get out of the Big South. If we can get into the CAA or SoCon then we will arrive at that point. We're bringing in 18k+ while dominating a horrible conference. We have a great fan base for what we provide them with and my point is that the students shouldn't be blamed.

Yeah. It's always someone else's fault

Okay then. Keep blaming the students, keep bringing in KWU and Coastal. Keep having fun in the Big South and watching JMU and ODU make progress. Hope you have fun with mediocracy because that's the attitude that will get you there. Hope you have fun continuing to blame the students rather than giving the students a reason to attend. Enjoy being the best of the Big-South, not winning big time games, and having 15-16k as your average attendance for the rest of your life. You're not acting like you want anything better so keep it up.

[bradyfan]

Cjsweat, please explain to us how liberty can join the caa please?

btw: business major. That explains all.

I'm not even saying it can. If you read back to my previous post, you find that I said it should initiate a conversation with a better conference and make it public. That's what I said.

[Purple Haize]

CJ you miss the big exception. That is between owning your own business and working for someone else.
Your sports analogy is also flawed on two fronts. The first being that professional athletes are in essence independent contractors. Secondly, there are boundaries no matter how good you are. See : Michael Ray Richardson, Roy Tarpley, Latrell Sprewell, TO, etc. I know many a great sales person who were displaced and it had nothing to do with their numbers.

oh my gosh. you have got to read your own statements. YOU - "Ask anyone in sales and they will tell you that numbers are not the bottom line." My dad is in sales! He owns his own company and manages employees. I've worked in sales before and I'm majoring in Business. I know that world very well and sure numbers may not be the end all be all but they are the major factor in who wants you. Just because you know many great sales people who were displaced and it didn't have to do with their numbers, doesn't mean that that's the rule. I know what people look for when they hire an employee and integrity is about 5th on the list. Sales are usually first sometimes second and seldomly third.

Oh, a business major, pardon me.
I'm interested in h ow you, as a college student knows what employers look for in employees? Do you have management experience? Have you held more then an entry level job? But again, you are not alone in people of your age who have a bloated sense of self importance.

[bradyfan]

CJ you miss the big exception. That is between owning your own business and working for someone else.
Your sports analogy is also flawed on two fronts. The first being that professional athletes are in essence independent contractors. Secondly, there are boundaries no matter how good you are. See : Michael Ray Richardson, Roy Tarpley, Latrell Sprewell, TO, etc. I know many a great sales person who were displaced and it had nothing to do with their numbers.

oh my gosh. you have got to read your own statements. YOU - "Ask anyone in sales and they will tell you that numbers are not the bottom line." My dad is in sales! He owns his own company and manages employees. I've worked in sales before and I'm majoring in Business. I know that world very well and sure numbers may not be the end all be all but they are the major factor in who wants you. Just because you know many great sales people who were displaced and it didn't have to do with their numbers, doesn't mean that that's the rule. I know what people look for when they hire an employee and integrity is about 5th on the list. Sales are usually first sometimes second and seldomly third.

Oh, a business major, pardon me.
I'm interested in h ow you, as a college student knows what employers look for in employees? Do you have management experience? Have you held more then an entry level job? But again, you are not alone in people of your age who have a bloated sense of self importance.

Wow. Please read what you quoted where it says, "My dad is in sales...He owns his own company." My dad has educated me on what employers look for and I've even worked for him. I've been mentored by the owner of another small-business in the Richmond area since I was like 16. I've also held several jobs for years and constantly made my way up the latter. I know a thing or two about what a company looks for in its employees.

[bigsmooth]

sweat...what dont you understand??? the students go to LIberty not Michigan, VT, Ohio State or whomever. that is a text book fairweather fan! When UGA Played Coastal this year or when Florida plays Chuck South, their students showed up, i can go into numerous examples of this of when a school plays a no name team the student body shows up in force. We need the student body to step up and be consistent so we we can truly show the world that LU has a great fan base. Recruits look at this stuff. What does the coaching staff tell a recruit yesterday about the atmosphere?? well kid its a cold day and our students would rather sit in their dorm and watch a school they have never attended??? but when its warm its the best in FCS! We will never know if Richmond came to down that 16,000+ would be there...i would venture to say no, because i have been around a lot longer than you have and been around LU my entire life...im a semi old fart..and there was a time back in the Sam area that we were ranked and GA. Southern came to town ranked, and the weather was awful and the students did not show up. You need to understand that the students are the key to keep the atmosphere going in the right direction no matter who we play and they are also the key to the next expansion of the Bill. Though strides have been made with the baptist side the students are the key. Im done with this topic. we will have to agree to disagree. lets beat VMI!

[ballah09]

a lot of people don't care for FCS football. that's a fact

call them a bad fan and they will probably laugh and say liberty isn't "their" team.

[Purple Haize]

Your posts are becoming more outlandish. Since you are a college student and you have been mentored since you were like 16 how could you have held several jobs for several years and moved up
YOU don't have the experience of starting your own company, your dad does. If my dad was a pro athlete would that make ME a pro athlete? You don't have the experience a balancing a ledger, your dad does. Being around it is nit a bad thing, but it by no means makes you an expert.