[paradox]

We teach Creationism and Young Earth Theory. Do you really think LU is all that concerned with bad PR?

I'm sorry but there is no connection between the two. I really don't think that validating racist remarks is congruent with any of the tenants of our faith. LOL

[RagingTireFire]

You're deliberately avoiding the point LOL which is that Liberty LOL should not be concerned with LOL the acceptance of the masses LOL when making a decision.




LOL

[paradox]

If Liberty EVER starts making decisions based on what might or might not be "public relations suicide", I say shut the whole friggin' place down. Our standards, at least in theory, run much deeper than what anyone else might think of us.

And what exactly would those deeper standards be if they are accompanied with such a cavalier and disrepsectful attitude toward race relations? LOL

RTF: I already answered this Let them criticise our stand for the Christian faith, but something like this would be like the salt losing its savor, being good for nothing, and trampled on by the foot of men. Yes, Christians need to be careful with what they do and what they agree with, if they want to be salt and light in this world.

[RagingTireFire]

but comprimising the charactor of the school would be completely unnessary and unwise.

Whatever credibility you ever thought you might have had in this argument just flew out the window. I find it interesting that you so adamantly accuse a kid that you've never met of harboring overwhelming and abiding racism and, in doing so, establish that the only obvious intolerance here belongs to you.

[paradox]

I've accused him of nothing. I'm only talking about the overall institutional ramifications.


As far as forgiveness goes, that's not an institutional thing, but a personal thing between God and indivduals. I have no problem showing mercy to this guy, but again, compromising the character of the school would be completely unnecessary and unwise, in my estimation. I'd be shocked if this somehow got done

[justagirl]

but comprimising the charactor of the school would be completely unnessary and unwise.

WOW. then I would argue that EVERY student who is not perfect...which is well, none of them, are "compromising the character of the school" i don't really understand your reasoning AT ALL, and I think the point of Liberty is to RESTORE people, not to shun them and tell them they compromise our character because they made a mistake.

[paradox]

Ok, but how far are you willing to take that? What would be the cost? Do we coldly isolate a portion of LU's black community for this?

[Sly Fox]

Your last sentence probably has a great deal with how this goes down if he in fact chooses LU.

I am checking my sources in Austin and Wimberley and I've yet to get a word yet.

[Kolzilla41]

I think the point is that the black atheletes on the football team accept him. Otherwise our wise coach would not even consider bringing him in.

[RagingTireFire]

See? j.a.g. gets it! I submit that there would be ZERO overall institutional ramifications since this is the kind of kid that Liberty already lets in on a daily basis laong with all the other kinds of kids that Liberty lets in. It is not LU's purpose to foster some insulated colony of moral pedants. If that's what you're looking for that, I suggest you trot down the road to Bob Jones.

[BJWilliams]

Ok, but how far are you willing to take that? What would be the cost? Do we coldly isolate a portion of LU's black community for this?

Ok now this is where I have to take issue. As a black person I find use of words like the "n word" to be very disrespectful. Now when I first heard about this I was pretty much down on this guy. Then after reading more into the circumstances of teh situation and into the fact that he obviously is sorry for the decision that he made in doing what he did, I say that this guy ought to at least get a chance. If he comes here I'll do my best to be te first to welcome him with a warm embrace and not coldly be like "you used the n word, I am not going to associate with the likes of you and I have lost all respect for the school because youre here." I believe very much in forgining people if they are contrite about wrong decisions they have made. I really do not seriously think that just because the school brings this kid in that they are thumbing their nose any segment of the black population of this school.

[justagirl]

Ok, but how far are you willing to take that? What would be the cost? Do we coldly isolate a portion of LU's black community for this?

this is silly. do you truly consider it "coldly isolating" members of the african american community? i mean, dont get me wrong...what he said was wrong, and racist, clearly! but it was one thing. I dont feel like any whites feel isolated because we have african americans that make racists remarks, or even any asians that feel isolated because people make asian jokes. your just being extreme.

[flameshaw]

BJ, I understand from a previous post here, the guy did not use the N word. Don't know the validity of that statement, but based on who said it, sounds correct.

Pair-a-sox seems to be all in favor of giving anyone another chance unless it is based on racial factors.

I have all the confidence in the world that the administration will not do anything to harm the University and that the coaching staff would not allow any person, black, white, blue, purple,etc. to knowingly harm the chemistry on the team. It is not worth whatever this guy can bring to the team.

I applaud your maturity on this issue and would hope that we as a school, board, sports teams would be willing to give anyone of any race who made a similar mistake, an opportunity to redeem themselves as long as they show true remorse.

Ultimately it will probably come down to the team accepting him, if he decides to come here and am confident that the staff has already vetted the issue with the current team. I am more than happy to live with whatever decision is made by those in charge one way or the other.

[paradox]

Ok, but how far are you willing to take that? What would be the cost? Do we coldly isolate a portion of LU's black community for this?

this is silly. do you truly consider it "coldly isolating" members of the african american community? i mean, dont get me wrong...what he said was wrong, and racist, clearly! but it was one thing. I dont feel like any whites feel isolated because we have african americans that make racists remarks, or even any asians that feel isolated because people make asian jokes. your just being extreme.

Yea, I think that some, but not all, would feel isolated. Should we or should we not be sensitive to this issue? That's the real question.



What if an LU student decides to go ahead and do the same thing with his or her facebook? How can the university discipline such an occurance, after we've immediately welcomed this BB incident in with open arms?

[Kolzilla41]

Ok, but how far are you willing to take that? What would be the cost? Do we coldly isolate a portion of LU's black community for this?

this is silly. do you truly consider it "coldly isolating" members of the african american community? i mean, dont get me wrong...what he said was wrong, and racist, clearly! but it was one thing. I dont feel like any whites feel isolated because we have african americans that make racists remarks, or even any asians that feel isolated because people make asian jokes. your just being extreme.

Yea, I think that some, but not all, would feel isolated. Should we or should we not be sensitive to this issue? That's the real question.



What if an LU student decides to go ahead and do the same thing with his or her facebook? How can the university discipline such an occurance, after we've immediately welcomed this BB incident in with open arms?

Exactly what they would do if they admitted this guy to the school. They would sit them down in front of SC and questions them about the incident. The they would determine if it was worth expulsion or a different consequence. Liberty is not a school that has bad relations with any race of people, that I know of. IMHO, unlike other institutions, BJ, Liberty tries to treat everyone as equal and not see color.

[paradox]

It's not that easy. It would be a nightmare for the administraion.

[SuperJon]

What would Liberty do? They'd call him into the student conduct office and give him reps just like any other student.


If this kid would've been a regular student and not a football player no one would've heard about this.

Did you guys hear about all of the kids at Liberty who put up similar statuses? Yeah, didn't think so.

[justagirl]

It's not that easy. It would be a nightmare for the administraion.

why isn't it that easy? lots of things are "nightmares" for the administration, but thats their job, and they do a GREAT job at it most times! you are the only one trying to make it more difficult than it needs to be!

[paradox]

What would Liberty do? They'd call him into the student conduct office and give him reps just like any other student.


If this kid would've been a regular student and not a football player no one would've heard about this.

Did you guys hear about all of the kids at Liberty who put up similar statuses? Yeah, didn't think so.

Yea, but when it goes public, then we're talking about something different.

[SuperJon]

I'm willing to bet 99% of the kids who get to class and see Buck Burnette on the roster aren't going to know that he said that on Facebook.

[olldflame]

If Buck ultimately comes to LU, it could present an interesting dilemma for our resident #1 know-it-all/Koolaid drinker. He would be placed in the position of either having to admit HE was wrong, or worse yet saying that a current LU coach or administrator is wrong. As best I can recall, neither has ever happened before (at least not here on FF).

At this point, I'm really hoping young Mr. Burnett decides to transfer here.

[Cider Jim]

We had a similar argument a few years ago about whether Vince Redd would be a good fit at LU or not:

http://www.flamefans.com/forums/viewtop ... dd&start=0

I think we all know how that turned out.

[paradox]

I'm willing to bet 99% of the kids who get to class and see Buck Burnette on the roster aren't going to know that he said that on Facebook.

How much?

[SumItUp]

Coach Rocco and his staff will make the right decision based on the circumstances. Much of their decision will have to do with the player's attitude toward the situation. I am not saying this topic is out of bounds, but each of us needs to be careful about how we treat situations that will impact the lives of those individuals whose actions are being scrutinized. We do not have all of the information and this message board does not have the purpose of being judge and jury.

I'm reminded of something I was reading in a book about Jesus' ministry on earth. Read John 8:1-11.

[nickrichards]

Could this be a decision that the FCS powers could use against LU in future at-large discussions?