Anything and everything about Liberty Flames football. Your comments on games, recruiting and the direction of the program as we move into new era.
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By Class of 20Something
#569575
oldflame wrote:
If you call posting multiple times in multiple threads on this forum every day disappearing, I guess I disappeared. I didn't see the need to make a point of saying I was wrong on the Wimbo call. Not the first time. Won't be the last.

You were right.
I was wrong.
Feel better?


Much! Thanks, pal.
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By CCWMichael
#569588 I like the way he handled that presser.
Assembled a great team in my view.
Love the comment about two fCs .. it does add a bit more pressure.

Let's go bowling!
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By CCWMichael
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ballcoach15 wrote:Has anyone heard of anybody on "old staff" getting job at another school ?


I have bee following them on twitter and have not seen anything there.
Are they getting offers? Don't know.
Where are they marketing themselves? Don't know.
Big conference in Texas and I would not be surprised if they put the word out hard there.
I am sure they will not post where they are interviewing.
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By CCWMichael
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Jonathan Carone wrote:We also don’t know if they’re still getting paid by Liberty. If they are, they may not be rushing to find a new job.


And, there is that.
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By flameshaw
#569641 If they are perceived by the D1 football community to be good coaches, they should be getting picked up very soon. Will be interesting to see.
As far as them being paid by LU, I don't see that as a reason, any of them should be taking a year off. Yes, they might have a year of salary coming to them, but it is always easier to find a job when there is not a gap in employment. Most of these guys are still fairly young and at least one is HC material, according to some. 8)
By ballcoach15
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flameshaw wrote:If they are perceived by the D1 football community to be good coaches, they should be getting picked up very soon. Will be interesting to see.
As far as them being paid by LU, I don't see that as a reason, any of them should be taking a year off. Yes, they might have a year of salary coming to them, but it is always easier to find a job when there is not a gap in employment. Most of these guys are still fairly young and at least one is HC material, according to some. 8)


Make that "2", based on what I was told in middle of season.
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By Jonathan Carone
#569648 Most staffs are already completely. And for the guys who helped Freeze recruit through the early signing period, that put them even further behind in terms of staffs being full.
By oldflame
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Jonathan Carone wrote:Most staffs are already completely. And for the guys who helped Freeze recruit through the early signing period, that put them even further behind in terms of staffs being full.


With modern communications, job hunting is not the full time job it used to be. I'm sure those guys were pursuing their options while perhaps still hoping to impress Freeze enough to be retained, and regardless of their status for the next year, they were certainly being well paid while they did it.
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By Class of 20Something
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oldflame wrote:
Jonathan Carone wrote:Most staffs are already completely. And for the guys who helped Freeze recruit through the early signing period, that put them even further behind in terms of staffs being full.


With modern communications, job hunting is not the full time job it used to be. I'm sure those guys were pursuing their options while perhaps still hoping to impress Freeze enough to be retained, and regardless of their status for the next year, they were certainly being well paid while they did it.


Not all of them. Most off field positions were hourly under Gill.
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By Purple Haize
#569802 60%? That was an F when I was in school. At my Sisters HS it was a D-
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By CCWMichael
#570269
ballcoach15 wrote:I had opportunity to talk with 2 of our new coaches today. Very impressed.


Who? and<, what impressed you?
By givemethemic
#570802 I have been told by multiple people that Hugh Freeze has fired former Liberty great and RB Coach Mike Brown. I have also been told that Freeze didn't have the guts to handle it himself and made another staff member to do it. Multiple people told me that Freeze handled this really poorly. The timing is really bad because it will be harder for Mike to pick up a job this late in the coaching cycle. This is about as PG as I can be on the subject matter but not impressed with how Hugh handled this at all.
By Ewglenn
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givemethemic wrote:I have been told by multiple people that Hugh Freeze has fired former Liberty great and RB Coach Mike Brown. I have also been told that Freeze didn't have the guts to handle it himself and made another staff member to do it. Multiple people told me that Freeze handled this really poorly. The timing is really bad because it will be harder for Mike to pick up a job this late in the coaching cycle. This is about as PG as I can be on the subject matter but not impressed with how Hugh handled this at all.


It stinks if this is true but doesn’t surprise me. He never seemed committed to the hire.
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By Class of 20Something
#570807 Coach Dom has been doing work
By thepostman
#570809
givemethemic wrote:I have been told by multiple people that Hugh Freeze has fired former Liberty great and RB Coach Mike Brown. I have also been told that Freeze didn't have the guts to handle it himself and made another staff member to do it. Multiple people told me that Freeze handled this really poorly. The timing is really bad because it will be harder for Mike to pick up a job this late in the coaching cycle. This is about as PG as I can be on the subject matter but not impressed with how Hugh handled this at all.


"Sources" :D
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By Class of 20Something
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thepostman wrote:
givemethemic wrote:I have been told by multiple people that Hugh Freeze has fired former Liberty great and RB Coach Mike Brown. I have also been told that Freeze didn't have the guts to handle it himself and made another staff member to do it. Multiple people told me that Freeze handled this really poorly. The timing is really bad because it will be harder for Mike to pick up a job this late in the coaching cycle. This is about as PG as I can be on the subject matter but not impressed with how Hugh handled this at all.


"Sources" :D[/quote

I'll confirm the basics. Can't confirm the how though.

I do wonder if he has a Running Backs coach in mind when he made the decision.

Is it plausible that he asked his chief of staff to do it? Because that doesn't sound as unreasonable.
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By CCWMichael
#570819 I recall Freeze stating it was a wait and see by him.
A tough part of leadership is letting people go.
But man, if your going to lead take the lead in everything.
Lead by example.
If thyis is the case I hope he does everything he can to manage and correct this quickly.
Anyhow, anybody know why Brown was considered not a fit?
F.A.I.T.H.
B.E.L.I.E.V.E.
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By CCWMichael
#570820
Class of 20Something wrote:
thepostman wrote:
givemethemic wrote:I have been told by multiple people that Hugh Freeze has fired former Liberty great and RB Coach Mike Brown. I have also been told that Freeze didn't have the guts to handle it himself and made another staff member to do it. Multiple people told me that Freeze handled this really poorly. The timing is really bad because it will be harder for Mike to pick up a job this late in the coaching cycle. This is about as PG as I can be on the subject matter but not impressed with how Hugh handled this at all.


"Sources" :D[/quote

I'll confirm the basics. Can't confirm the how though.

I do wonder if he has a Running Backs coach in mind when he made the decision.

Is it plausible that he asked his chief of staff to do it? Because that doesn't sound as unreasonable.


Chief of staff would be less damaging. As much as I think he should have done it delegation of authority is his to manage and this person doing it in his place not a bad move.
By thepostman
#570824 Of course it would be better if HF did it but it also isn't unheard of for a coordinator or assistant head coach or chief of staff to let people go who fall under their authority. It's how things work in the real world. I like Mike Brown and it sucks this happened and I hope he is able to move on quickly.
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By TH Spangler
#570831
givemethemic wrote:I have been told by multiple people that Hugh Freeze has fired former Liberty great and RB Coach Mike Brown. I have also been told that Freeze didn't have the guts to handle it himself and made another staff member to do it. Multiple people told me that Freeze handled this really poorly. The timing is really bad because it will be harder for Mike to pick up a job this late in the coaching cycle. This is about as PG as I can be on the subject matter but not impressed with how Hugh handled this at all.


I felt it coming after hearing his first presser. Didn't seem committed to MB then. :cry:
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By A Sea of Red
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givemethemic wrote:I have been told by multiple people that Hugh Freeze has fired former Liberty great and RB Coach Mike Brown. I have also been told that Freeze didn't have the guts to handle it himself and made another staff member to do it. Multiple people told me that Freeze handled this really poorly. The timing is really bad because it will be harder for Mike to pick up a job this late in the coaching cycle. This is about as PG as I can be on the subject matter but not impressed with how Hugh handled this at all.


We have confirmed that Brown is out as RB coach

http://www.aseaofred.com/mike-brown-no- ... ing-staff/
By ALAFlamesFan
#570841 Hate to see a guy who clearly loves LU go. Especially since Coach Freeze continues to take interviews and emphasize that we are just a 1st/short stop on his SEC comeback tour.
By thepostman
#570842 We are a G5 program. That makes us a stepping stone job. At least he isn't pretending he will around forever.

I do wish he could've found a place for Mike Brown.
By oldflame
#570844 This could not have come as a surprise to Mike after the less than ringing endorsement he got in the presser introducing the staff. In 20/20 hindsight, it probably would have been better to make the move earlier. It is quite possible HF picked up on how popular Mike is around here and felt it was worth taking the time to be sure before pulling the trigger.
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By gerb
#570850 Good grief. :roll: Some here need to lay off the soy lattes.

People get canned all the time for good reason, no reason, hidden reason, gut instinct, annoying laugh, etc. HF was very transparent that he was still evaluating. And now his evaluation is complete. If a guy that has been terminated is like-able, folks around them alway gripe that the leader shouldn't have done it or the way he did it wasn't respectful, blah blah.

Does MB have what it takes to be successful in the system that HF is implementing? Dunno but I know who has a pretty good idea.... (hint - the guy with the visor)

MB is a big boy with a good network. He'll find a spot to land.
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By michaeleyou
#570854 +1
By GoLU_13_21
#570855 Where does Freeze continue to state this is just a step back to the SEC? Sources people all of them! It's not that I don't believe anyone on here but I'd like to see these because what I've seen, he seems all in on LU. Especially his wife that convinced him to come here. Also can someone post another link to the ASOR interview, the other day the other one did not work for me.
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By ballcoach15
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GoLU_13_21 wrote:Where does Freeze continue to state this is just a step back to the SEC? Sources people all of them! It's not that I don't believe anyone on here but I'd like to see these because what I've seen, he seems all in on LU. Especially his wife that convinced him to come here. Also can someone post another link to the ASOR interview the other day the other one did not work for me.


I wondered same thing. I believe some had him leaving before he got here.
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By Class of 20Something
#570861 There have been at least three separate interviews where he has said he, "wants to Coach in the SEC again" including the Paul Finebaum interview the day after he was hired. I'll link any new ones that come up. The only words that he has said that lend to the idea he wants to stay is how long it takes to recruit.
By thepostman
#570863 Clearly you guys aren't listening to us interviews if you have to ask where he has said that. He said in the last radio interview that he sees himself as a builder and doesn't like to be places longer than 5 to 7 years.
By oldflame
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thepostman wrote:Clearly you guys aren't listening to us interviews if you have to ask where he has said that. He said in the last radio interview that he sees himself as a builder and doesn't like to be places longer than 5 to 7 years.


5 to 7 years would be amazing. For the record, the only coach in the history of our program with a tenure of more than 7 years was Sam Rutigliano (10). Less than 4 probably only happens if we do a whole lot of winning. Anybody want to complain about that? It's totally my subjective opinion, but it seems to me that HF has begun to focus more on Liberty and what it has to offer in more recent interviews.
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By R i
#570865
oldflame wrote: Less than 4 probably only happens if we do a whole lot of winning.


I have a hard time believing this. If we win a bowl game and Vandy comes calling. Hes gone.

Speaking of Vandy and Nashville, that was the location that Freeze chose to do his 1 hour long PR redemption radio interview.
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By gerb
#570866 Nothing wrong with the interviews focusing on HF.

HF as our head coach is the strongest pitch to top talent, period. Smart to pound that fact in every interview throughout SEC country relentlessly.
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By gerb
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R i wrote:
oldflame wrote: Less than 4 probably only happens if we do a whole lot of winning.


I have a hard time believing this. If we win a bowl game and Vandy comes calling. Hes gone.

Speaking of Vandy and Nashville, that was the location that Freeze chose to do his 1 hour long PR redemption radio interview.


Disagree. Don't overlook his wife/family role in decision making.
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By Jonathan Carone
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It's my turn babe. I have loved you and you have loved me and we have compromised, both of us...for your job. And now it's time to talk about doing that for my job.


That quote from Tami Taylor is the scenario for how Freeze stays here a long time.

Regardless of if he’s here one year or 20, we are going to have a fun team to watch. So let’s enjoy it while we have it, however long that is.
By oldflame
#570871
R i wrote:
oldflame wrote: Less than 4 probably only happens if we do a whole lot of winning.


I have a hard time believing this. If we win a bowl game and Vandy comes calling. Hes gone.

Speaking of Vandy and Nashville, that was the location that Freeze chose to do his 1 hour long PR redemption radio interview.


Alex Jones posting of flamefans. :roll: He was in TN recruiting. Christian Harris in Chattanooga among others.
By ballcoach15
#570878 I can't see him leaving LU for Vandy.

Coach Freeze is very busy on this "road trip", recruiting, speaking engagements, etc. all while running the program. That's probably why he had someone else to release Brown. He just happened to make decision while he was on the road.

(Relayed to me this evening by a confidential source)
By thepostman
#570883 If Vandy offered him the head coaching gig there is no way he wouldn't take it but i dont think they will offer it to him.
By thepostman
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Jonathan Carone wrote:
It's my turn babe. I have loved you and you have loved me and we have compromised, both of us...for your job. And now it's time to talk about doing that for my job.


That quote from Tami Taylor is the scenario for how Freeze stays here a long time.

Regardless of if he’s here one year or 20, we are going to have a fun team to watch. So let’s enjoy it while we have it, however long that is.


Agreed. I'm going to enjoy the ride. I just can't quite understand why people think we are somehow immune to the reality all G5 programs must face if they find success. That reality is your coach will leave for bigger and better things.
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By Purple Haize
#570888
thepostman wrote:If Vandy offered him the head coaching gig there is no way he wouldn't take it but i dont think they will offer it to him.


I’m going to disagree with you on that first part. IF his long term goal is to make an SEC return he will be able to do better than Vandy by staying at LU
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By FlamesHighontheTide
#570890 There is a certain cow pasture school down in Auburn, AL that may come knocking first fellas and I for one would never ever ever want Freeze to leave us for them, but it is the SEC.
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By gerb
#570891 Insight on strength coach philosophy. Start at 7:57.

"Like to produce a very fast, violent football team"