Anything and everything about Liberty Flames football. Your comments on games, recruiting and the direction of the program as we move into new era.
By rtb72
#559934 It comes down to what LU wants for the program and how much they're willing to pay for it. HCTG will not have "leverage" even with a 6-6 season. He has been lacking and knows his past performance trends draw attention. It's not like we are going to be competing against other programs knocking down the door to attract him. If the team performs above expectation, I absolutely agree HCTG deserves credit (and I'm not his biggest fan as a coach). His contract is nearing its term (not sure when) but a three year ext. based on a 6-6 season....I don't think is appropriate. A 1 to 1.5 mil. salary for a coach can emerge quality candidates that might not otherwise have been on the market. Not gonna be a Sabin obviously….but I also don't think LU has proactively been seeking a replacement either.
By Ewglenn
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JK37 wrote:
Ewglenn wrote:What’s getting lost in all this is we are more talented than half of our schedule. NMSU, NM, FCS and UMass we have much better talent. Six wins is nice but this isn’t murderer’s row. Most coaches “should” beat those teams with or current roster. We have two players that will be playing in the NFL, Wells and AGG, and one, Buckshot, that has a chance. Y’all are getting caught up in the emotions of us not looking like idiots that you’ve forgot the entire body of work for HCTG. I say if we don’t lose to an FCS team, which I’ve already predicted we will lose to Idaho St, then Gill should stay another year. If we lose one of those he has to go.


I feel like you are contradicting yourself a little. Six wins isn’t good considering the schedule, but as long as he sweeps the FCS opponents he can stay. Do I have that right?


Six wins should be the standard with this years schedule. I don’t think 4 wins should warrant keeping him. However, I know if he wins 4 games our administration isn’t going to get rid of him(assuming he beats the FCS teams). I thought he should have been gone last year. So six isn’t “good”. Go 7-5 with a win over UVA and let’s talk extensions.
By ballah09
#559948
Old Red wrote:I think LU is gonna be the place where Hugh Freeze makes his coaching return in ‘19.


I think he's going to be our next head coach but it won't be in '19.
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By cruzan_flame13
#559949 Just hypothetically speaking with no evidence exposed; when will it be appropriate for Freeze to receive a coaching job? It’s been a year since he has resigned from his position at Ole Miss.
By Ewglenn
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cruzan_flame13 wrote:Just hypothetically speaking with no evidence exposed; when will it be appropriate for Freeze to receive a coaching job? It’s been a year since he has resigned from his position at Ole Miss.


I’m okay with him coaching Liberty against Troy.
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By FlamesHighontheTide
#560118 Why do we have to mock Gill when he says, "To God be the glory"?

It is one thing to criticize his coaching decisions as well as administrative. Those things are part of being a loyal fan base and wanting a good product on the field. Further, I do not doubt that every one of us on this board want a well coached product on the field.

I just want to encourage us as a board to not mock our HC due to the fact that he says, "To God be the glory" in every press conference. We should be glad that HCTG has that kind of perspective and I for one am glad that he is setting that example to the young men on the team. Shoot, it is a great example for me to follow that no matter what the outcome is in a game or a life situation that we can give God the glory.
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By Jonathan Carone
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FlamesHighontheTide wrote:Why do we have to mock Gill when he says, "To God be the glory"?


If you want the honest answer for why people mock him for it, it's because it feels disingenuous. He shows no emotion, ever, so to come in to every press conference regardless of good play or bad play and stoically say "to God be the glory" feels like a catch phrase and not something that is genuine. I'm not saying it isn't genuine, but for fans who have watched someone for seven years, it feels that way.
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By flameshaw
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FlamesHighontheTide wrote:Why do we have to mock Gill when he says, "To God be the glory"?

It is one thing to criticize his coaching decisions as well as administrative. Those things are part of being a loyal fan base and wanting a good product on the field. Further, I do not doubt that every one of us on this board want a well coached product on the field.

I just want to encourage us as a board to not mock our HC due to the fact that he says, "To God be the glory" in every press conference. We should be glad that HCTG has that kind of perspective and I for one am glad that he is setting that example to the young men on the team. Shoot, it is a great example for me to follow that no matter what the outcome is in a game or a life situation that we can give God the glory.


I don't think he should say it when the team gives such a poor effort. It is ok, when we have a good game and play hard, even if we lose. There is nothing glorious about tonight's performance. Just my HO. I don't really care either way. I will sleep well tonight, either way.
When TG leaves the mountain for the last time, I will say it for him. 8)
By Chippy
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Jonathan Carone wrote:
FlamesHighontheTide wrote:Why do we have to mock Gill when he says, "To God be the glory"?


If you want the honest answer for why people mock him for it, it's because it feels disingenuous. He shows no emotion, ever, so to come in to every press conference regardless of good play or bad play and stoically say "to God be the glory" feels like a catch phrase and not something that is genuine. I'm not saying it isn't genuine, but for fans who have watched someone for seven years, it feels that way.


Which fans "feel that way"? Let me guess.
By Ewglenn
#560153
Chippy wrote:
Jonathan Carone wrote:
FlamesHighontheTide wrote:Why do we have to mock Gill when he says, "To God be the glory"?


If you want the honest answer for why people mock him for it, it's because it feels disingenuous. He shows no emotion, ever, so to come in to every press conference regardless of good play or bad play and stoically say "to God be the glory" feels like a catch phrase and not something that is genuine. I'm not saying it isn't genuine, but for fans who have watched someone for seven years, it feels that way.


Which fans "feel that way"? Let me guess.


It does feel that way.
By LUDad
#560156 I for one cannot cast that stone. My prayers before meals are all too often rote. I do believe that the Spirit can still take those prayers and glorify God. Perhaps, people at other tables will be convicted.
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By Class of 20Something
#560163 It's obviously wrong to mock it, but I agree that it feels robotic.
By BigRed1
#560166
Class of 20Something wrote:It's obviously wrong to mock it, but I agree that it feels robotic.

Kind of like some of those politicians who say “God Bless America “ and then turn around and be anti-Christian in their policies.
By Chippy
#560168
Class of 20Something wrote:It's obviously wrong to mock it, but I agree that it feels robotic.


I don't judge by what I "feel". I judge by what I see. What I see from Gill is he's a man of faith. Questioning his sincerity is very petty IMHO.
By Chippy
#560169
Chippy wrote:
Class of 20Something wrote:It's obviously wrong to mock it, but I agree that it feels robotic.


I don't judge by what I "feel". I judge by what I see. What I see from Gill is he's a man of faith. Questioning his sincerity is very petty IMHO. Even talking about him like this brings dishonor to God
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By TH Spangler
#560170
Chippy wrote:
Class of 20Something wrote:It's obviously wrong to mock it, but I agree that it feels robotic.


I don't judge by what I "feel". I judge by what I see. What I see from Gill is he's a man of faith. Questioning his sincerity is very petty IMHO.


Tells me more about a message board posters heart than Coach's. :idea:
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By jbock13
#560172 To God be the glory!
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By Jonathan Carone
#560173
Chippy wrote:
Class of 20Something wrote:It's obviously wrong to mock it, but I agree that it feels robotic.


I don't judge by what I "feel". I judge by what I see. What I see from Gill is he's a man of faith. Questioning his sincerity is very petty IMHO.


You are morally better than most.

For many of us, we've been duped by spiritual leaders who said the right phrase in front of a camera or while shaking your hand but then didn't back up those words. It's why many are skeptical of religious leaders. Giving the benefit of the doubt is really hard for a lot of people unless it's been earned.
By LUDad
#560180 Gill is a Christian football coach who happens to work for a Christian school. From what little I know, Gill's Christian walk has been exempliery. Personally, I believe Gill is simply being Gill. That is his personally, he is not going to have many public emotional moments. It all comes down to wins and loses. If you are a Bama fan or a New England fan you would not be questioning coach's personality. On field is one thing, but no reason to take it personal.
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By Jonathan Carone
#560183 Personally, I don’t question the sincerity of it. I’m more annoyed by it than anything. That’s because I hate cheesy Christian catch phrases in general.

My comments about the sincerity were purely to answer the question that was asked.
By LUDad
#560185
Jonathan Carone wrote:Personally, I don’t question the sincerity of it. I’m more annoyed by it than anything. That’s because I hate cheesy Christian catch phrases in general.

My comments about the sincerity were purely to answer the question that was asked.


I had just read comment by BigRed1
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By Class of 20Something
#560191
TH Spangler wrote:
Chippy wrote:
Class of 20Something wrote:It's obviously wrong to mock it, but I agree that it feels robotic.


I don't judge by what I "feel". I judge by what I see. What I see from Gill is he's a man of faith. Questioning his sincerity is very petty IMHO.


Tells me more about a message board posters heart than Coach's. :idea:


I think we are all treading on being legalism here. We all know how Jesus treated the Pharisees.

To Jonathan's point, who else was on campus when Ergun Caner got busted lying about his testimony?
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By Purple Haize
#560192 You cannot put Gill in the same category as Cameron some televangelist whose entire schtick is built around duping people. To question him on his use of that phrase is certainly mean spirited and petty
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By flameshaw
#560215
Purple Haize wrote:You cannot put Gill in the same category as Cameron some televangelist whose entire schtick is built around duping people. To question him on his use of that phrase is certainly mean spirited and petty


Gill for life. 8)
By Man_the_kay
#560232 I haven't talked about Gill since I joined this board.
He brings unexpected results all the time.
so shocked when we lost by CSU last season.
and NMSU this year?
I still don't know how much our defense improved compared to last year.

I was hoping that Liberty has successful transitional season under Gill.
But now, to get better decision, I have to give up my hope.

Good luck HCTG rest of this season.
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By ALAFlamesFan
#560233 Since I am in Tuscaloosa and the church building he once led in is being torn down as we speak I will throw this oldie but goodie out there..

"Jesus is Awesome!"

:wink:
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By TH Spangler
#560236
Jonathan Carone wrote:
FlamesHighontheTide wrote:Why do we have to mock Gill when he says, "To God be the glory"?


If you want the honest answer for why people mock him for it, it's because it feels disingenuous. He shows no emotion, ever, so to come in to every press conference regardless of good play or bad play and stoically say "to God be the glory" feels like a catch phrase and not something that is genuine. I'm not saying it isn't genuine, but for fans who have watched someone for seven years, it feels that way.


Exactly why I like it ... https://www.gotquestions.org/glory-of-God.html
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By CCWMichael
#560281 I doubt we could ever get Stoops but what a catch that would be at any level of coaching here.
Like DC with an upgrade soon to HC.
I'll bet after the change at OU their D stiffens up quickly.
Sometimes change midriff produces big results .

The first two lines above are purely fantasy but I live in a world ruled by Kool Aid.

Yes, my Gill confidence interval is dropping quicker than Stormy Daniels shorts.
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By flameshaw
#560401
ballcoach15 wrote:I predict that come 2019 season, Freeze will be back in coaching.


I hope it is on a mountain in VA somewhere. :)
By LUDad
#560405
cruzan_flame13 wrote:
flameshaw wrote:
ballcoach15 wrote:I predict that come 2019 season, Freeze will be back in coaching.


I hope it is on a mountain in VA somewhere. :)


+1


If IM goes this route (big name) I believe he would go with Art Briles. He would be good for at least 8-10 years and would develop an assistant along the lines of a Lincoln Riley to take over reins. LU would merely be a short rehab stop for Freeze on his way back to a P5 gig.
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By cruzan_flame13
#560406 You don't think Freeze would stay and establish a P5 like program at the mountain? He'll have the opportunity and advantage with financial support and availability with playing many P5's around us without having to deal with cheesy conference games.
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By Jonathan Carone
#560409
cruzan_flame13 wrote:You don't think Freeze would stay and establish a P5 like program at the mountain?


Absolutely not.

No one we hire moving forward will stay more than 6-7 years if they have success. We've gotta get used to the idea that if we're good, we're a stepping stone for most.
By BuryYourDuke
#560410 Absolutely correct. Think about every ascendant G5 program over the past decade. If they strung together 2 seasons of big performances, their coach was almost always gone. Boise’s coach hung longer, but even he eventually split for the P5.

If we get someone that uses us as a stepping stone to the P5, let’s be thankful that we did well enough to merit it.
By LUDad
#560411
cruzan_flame13 wrote:You don't think Freeze would stay and establish a P5 like program at the mountain? He'll have the opportunity and advantage with financial support and availability with playing many P5's around us without having to deal with cheesy conference games.


No I don't. Freeze has not stayed more than 1-2 years at any of his University gigs except for P5 Ole Miss. He tried to latch on to Bama OC job so he could be Saban's heir. But he's still young. He just needs a 1-2 year rehab gig before getting back into the big time. Briles is 62. Even if he had LU competing with good P5 teams in 2-4 years, he will be too old to move on. He could give us a good 8-10 years and hand off reins to a Lincoln Riley type assistant. He would also be playing for an AD who knows him and defended his tenture at Baylor.
By LUDad
#560416 Offense is the future of football, even at the nfl level. No one has been more effective or inovative than Art Briles. What should be frighting to opposing teams is that he has spent the past two years developing a newer, more potent inovative scheme.

Below are links about his older scheme.

https://247sports.com/college/oklahoma/ ... -23294529/

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footba ... riles-2013
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By CCWMichael
#560418
BuryYourDuke wrote:Absolutely correct. Think about every ascendant G5 program over the past decade. If they strung together 2 seasons of big performances, their coach was almost always gone. Boise’s coach hung longer, but even he eventually split for the P5.

If we get someone that uses us as a stepping stone to the P5, let’s be thankful that we did well enough to merit it.


But, if we throw cash at coaching ?
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By cruzan_flame13
#560420
CCWMichael wrote:
BuryYourDuke wrote:Absolutely correct. Think about every ascendant G5 program over the past decade. If they strung together 2 seasons of big performances, their coach was almost always gone. Boise’s coach hung longer, but even he eventually split for the P5.

If we get someone that uses us as a stepping stone to the P5, let’s be thankful that we did well enough to merit it.


But, if we throw cash at coaching ?


Some folks don’t think money and opportunity will not help. I would say that these folks are still stuck with an FCS mentality and will not admit it. Sports is business and deals make people stay and go. That’s why folks want P5 because they get the money which will give them attention. LU can do the same thing and even quicker these days. Liberty is blessed with money and assets that are growing annually. Add good business men and and a mastermind with athletics and a ‘empire’ will be born. Sports bring in even more money, so you think that’s not going to cause Falwell and McCaw to make changes? I’m looking at a long term business and not just what is seen now. College football will not be the same in the future than it is and Liberty could get a piece of the pie. That’s why visionaries gain success and those who doubt or ridicule stay in the state they’re in. Just saying.
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By Jonathan Carone
#560421 Do you think football actually brings in money?

While we may have tons of opportunity here, most coaches who are worth their salt are going to leave for somewhere with more prestige. They grew up wanting to be the coach at an sEC school or something similar so they’re going to take that opportunity regardless of our money. That’s not a fault. It’s just reality.
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By CCWMichael
#560422
LUDad wrote:Offense is the future of football, even at the nfl level. No one has been more effective or inovative than Art Briles. What should be frighting to opposing teams is that he has spent the past two years developing a newer, more potent inovative scheme.

Below are links about his older scheme.

https://247sports.com/college/oklahoma/ ... -23294529/

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footba ... riles-2013


I concur that offense since the days of Montana and Marino has altered the offense play scheme for the better.
However, why do schemes always need to change?
Brilliant adaptability to those changes.
Offense or defense; what adaptation forces sheme change? They all do.
Does defense win championships? The NFL number one offense versus defense in the championship game has mostly gone the defensive way. But, this does not prove anything. There are well devloped arguments on either side of the ball.
After that it is philosophical. Will an organization or university want to fill the stands with offensive explosions? What is more exciting run and gun scoring or defensive hangers --- both as stressful for the fans.
An organization will bet where it's best chances lay and sell out on that plan.
For me, if I had to pick where to lay the best talent I would follow the ilk of Paterno"ism" and focus on defense.
Can't win without points and a fresh defense. Ask Osbourne, Paterno and so on. The pass is pretty but the run will win the game. An option guy like Gill should get this.
Explosive offense can be the future of football but the D still needs to allow for the win.
It is very rare --- the undefeated season but my best guess says defense will give you a better chance than a wide open offense. Id rather see Bama win 63 to 21 rather than 53 to 52. The 21 tells me a team has good balance on offense to allow the D to perform. I.n that sense offense is the future of football.
Just my speculative musings.
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By Purple Haize
#560424
cruzan_flame13 wrote:
CCWMichael wrote:
BuryYourDuke wrote:Absolutely correct. Think about every ascendant G5 program over the past decade. If they strung together 2 seasons of big performances, their coach was almost always gone. Boise’s coach hung longer, but even he eventually split for the P5.

If we get someone that uses us as a stepping stone to the P5, let’s be thankful that we did well enough to merit it.


But, if we throw cash at coaching ?


Some folks don’t think money and opportunity will not help. I would say that these folks are still stuck with an FCS mentality and will not admit it. Sports is business and deals make people stay and go. That’s why folks want P5 because they get the money which will give them attention. LU can do the same thing and even quicker these days. Liberty is blessed with money and assets that are growing annually. Add good business men and and a mastermind with athletics and a ‘empire’ will be born. Sports bring in even more money, so you think that’s not going to cause Falwell and McCaw to make changes? I’m looking at a long term business and not just what is seen now. College football will not be the same in the future than it is and Liberty could get a piece of the pie. That’s why visionaries gain success and those who doubt or ridicule stay in the state they’re in. Just saying.


You weren’t a Sport Management Major were you?
By BuryYourDuke
#560426 But he’s got vision!!!
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By Purple Haize
#560429
BuryYourDuke wrote:But he’s got vision!!!


Right up there with Feelz