Anything and everything about Liberty Flames football. Your comments on games, recruiting and the direction of the program as we move into new era.
By jimflamesfan
#555120 Because of the underdog factor, i think we will win 3-4 FBS games this year. However, I think we will lose one of the FCS games, we will choke an expected win away. So 4-5 total wins this year.
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By R i
#555121
jimflamesfan wrote:Because of the underdog factor, i think we will win 3-4 FBS games this year. However, I think we will lose one of the FCS games, we will choke an expected win away. So 4-5 total wins this year.


I can get behind this.
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By Cider Jim
#555124 Turner Gill finally pulled the trigger on Robert Wimberly...and made him the Associate Head Coach.

https://www.newsadvance.com/sports/libe ... 23e63.html
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By Class of 20Something
#555125
jimflamesfan wrote:Because of the underdog factor, i think we will win 3-4 FBS games this year. However, I think we will lose one of the FCS games, we will choke an expected win away. So 4-5 total wins this year.


Well if that wouldn't be the most Liberty season ever.
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By Jonathan Carone
#555126
Class of 20Something wrote:
jimflamesfan wrote:Because of the underdog factor, i think we will win 3-4 FBS games this year. However, I think we will lose one of the FCS games, we will choke an expected win away. So 4-5 total wins this year.


Well if that wouldn't be the most Liberty season ever.


Nothing would be more Typical Liberty.
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By BJWilliams
#555129 I disagree on losing one of the FCS matchups. If anything, as I said already (and garnered zero discussion), we win both FCS games (Idaho State might be closer due to lack of familiarity), beat ODU and grab one or two other games. I see maybe UMass (even though it's on the road) and/or the return game by NMSU. If not one of those, I am curious about the possibility of stealing UVa, but unless they go through a Maryland style upheaval at QB, who ever their starter will at least have some experience by the time they play us.
By flamehunter
#555130
BJWilliams wrote:I disagree on losing one of the FCS matchups. If anything, as I said already (and garnered zero discussion), we win both FCS games (Idaho State might be closer due to lack of familiarity), beat ODU and grab one or two other games. I see maybe UMass (even though it's on the road) and/or the return game by NMSU. If not one of those, I am curious about the possibility of stealing UVa, but unless they go through a Maryland style upheaval at QB, who ever their starter will at least have some experience by the time they play us.

Read and acknowledged. I think the point is that none of us would be shocked if we lose an FCS game.
By tyndal23
#555131 Offense has a lot coming back, run is our weakest link so teams will blitz us like crazy, really need to develop several solid screen options to offset and some TE pass plays which have been non existent. If our D line depth and talent upgrade can give LB’s freedom to make plays, our secondary is talented enough to hold up against most any pass game on schedule. I like the fact our first 2 FBS games are run heavy and coaches can spend more time prepping to stop the run leading right in to ODU. If we can’t stop Army Full Back - going to be a route. Troy is a real tough out due to talent at every position - I could see us not covering spread against Troy and Army but giving everyone else a lot of trouble. Talent is there on O, just really not sold on week in week out game planning and in game adjustments. Rooting for 7 wins or 2 - ( make it easy on a staff change immediately rather than drag it out if this staff cant make the leap ).
By Dalegarz1
#555132 I've watched Army play several times the few years (In my backyard). Couple that with our futile efforts to stop any kind of option attack and I can see the Black Knights scoring on every possession. It has the potential to be embarrassing. Having said that, I expect 3-5 wins. Three means a coaching change-four puts us in limbo-five and TG returns.
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By Class of 20Something
#555133
Dalegarz1 wrote:I've watched Army play several times the few years (In my backyard). Couple that with our futile efforts to stop any kind of option attack and I can see the Black Knights scoring on every possession. It has the potential to be embarrassing. Having said that, I expect 3-5 wins. Three means a coaching change-four puts us in limbo-five and TG returns.


Hey, That's a battle we can win! Big XII here we come!!!
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By BJWilliams
#555135 I rather disagree Dale...the Black Knights will be breaking in a new starting quarterback with Carter and Bradshaw both gone, so I don't think they'll be humming up and down the field like some unstoppable force. I mean I could see two scores, maybe three, but I don't think we'll see a 50-25 or 64-6 score in this one
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By flameshaw
#555138
Cider Jim wrote:Turner Gill finally pulled the trigger on Robert Wimberly...and made him the Associate Head Coach.

https://www.newsadvance.com/sports/libe ... 23e63.html


Just when one would think things couldn't get worse. The defense was the worst performing part of the team last year, how does it make ANY sense to promote the DC? When your in a hole, you should quit digging it deeper.
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By cruzan_flame13
#555139
flameshaw wrote:
Cider Jim wrote:Turner Gill finally pulled the trigger on Robert Wimberly...and made him the Associate Head Coach.

https://www.newsadvance.com/sports/libe ... 23e63.html


Just when one would think things couldn't get worse. The defense was the worst performing part of the team last year, how does it make ANY sense to promote the DC? When your in a hole, you should quit digging it deeper.


Or Gill knows that the pot is boiling rapidly and is willing to go out with the house ketching on fire.
By oldflame
#555140 I am on record as saying we should have used the additional Asst. coaching position to hire a new D-coordinator and allow Wimberly to stay on and coach the safeties if he chose to do so. Predictably, TG chose not to. IMHO this move is unrelated. Associate HC is basically a ceremonial position. It won´t change any of Wimberly´s duties as far as deciding what we do on the field is concerned. More to do with academics, discipline and other off field issues. I think Wimbo is as good a choice as any to take on some of those things Gill used to delegate to Ron Brown.
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By BJWilliams
#555141
Jonathan Carone wrote:Army goes games without passing. I don’t know how much having a new QB will matter.

The QB is the facilitator of the offense in the TO, almost like having a fourth running back (hey FFG I know you're down at GT, did I distill that down too much?) Whoever is their starter come game 1 will have limited experience running that offense at game speed.
By thepostman
#555143
Jonathan Carone wrote:Army goes games without passing. I don’t know how much having a new QB will matter.


We are going to struggle a ton against Army but a new QB in that system is a huge question mark for them as the guy who graduated was very, very good in that system so it'll be a question mark for them.

With that said our defense will still struggle to stop them. New QB or not.
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By BJWilliams
#555144 Ahmad Bradshaw...he was AMAZING
By PAFlame
#555145 Flames win both FCS games and win at New Mexico. I can see maybe 4 wins at most with this roster and a very outside shot at 5. If we get to 6-6, I think you have to give Gill at least one more year, anything less and he's gone.
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By Jonathan Carone
#555146
cruzan_flame13 wrote:
flameshaw wrote:
Cider Jim wrote:Turner Gill finally pulled the trigger on Robert Wimberly...and made him the Associate Head Coach.

https://www.newsadvance.com/sports/libe ... 23e63.html


Just when one would think things couldn't get worse. The defense was the worst performing part of the team last year, how does it make ANY sense to promote the DC? When your in a hole, you should quit digging it deeper.


Or Gill knows that the pot is boiling rapidly and is willing to go out with the house ketching on fire.


Or you both are equating playcalling and scheming with the administrative and leadership duties of a head coach. Many head coaches aren’t great coordinators or play callers.

I’m on record multiple times saying I think Wimbo would be a better head coach than DC. I’ve thought that since the day we hired him back. I’m 100% biased because I’ve worked directly under him. I’ve seen his organizational skills, administrative ability, and leadership capacity first hand. Those first two things are areas Coach Gill is not good in at all.

The perfect storm would’ve been we hired a new DC and shifted Wimbo to this position. That would’ve put everyone in their best position. My hope is Wimbo continues to grow as a DC while also helping us improve in this role.
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By cruzan_flame13
#555148 I think the slogan that the team agreed on should be the motto for the LU football program moving onward:

“Respect All. Fear None.” - 1 Peter 2:17

What do you guys think?
By Chippy
#555149
PAFlame wrote:Flames win both FCS games and win at New Mexico. I can see maybe 4 wins at most with this roster and a very outside shot at 5. If we get to 6-6, I think you have to give Gill at least one more year, anything less and he's gone.


If this team wins 6 games then I think we should make Coach Gill "coach for life." I think 3-4 wins this year. Losing 2 top defenders (Irons at middle linebacker and Elisha Mitchell at DT) certainly takes away from the depth we got with the JUCOs and incoming R-Fr and Fr classes. We can't afford too many more injuries and expect to win 6 games.
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By BJWilliams
#555150
cruzan_flame13 wrote:I think the slogan that the team agreed on should be the motto for the LU football program moving onward:

“Respect All. Fear None.” - 1 Peter 2:17

What do you guys think?

Not a bad slogan...can they walk it out is the question?
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By Class of 20Something
#555151
BJWilliams wrote:
cruzan_flame13 wrote:I think the slogan that the team agreed on should be the motto for the LU football program moving onward:

“Respect All. Fear None.” - 1 Peter 2:17

What do you guys think?

Not a bad slogan...can they walk it out is the question?


I don't think it sets an unrealistic expectation. It almost drips of underdog. If we exist as an underdog with a chip on our shoulder, it could be a good identity for us.
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By Purple Haize
#555152
cruzan_flame13 wrote:I think the slogan that the team agreed on should be the motto for the LU football program moving onward:

“Respect All. Fear None.” - 1 Peter 2:17

What do you guys think?


What Bible are you using?

King James Version
Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

Darby Bible Translation
Shew honour to all, love the brotherhood, fear God, honour the king.

World English Bible
Honor all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.

Young's Literal Translation
to all give ye honour; the brotherhood love ye; God fear ye; the king honour ye.

ESV
17 Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.

The Message
Treat everyone you meet with dignity. Love your spiritual family. Revere God. Respect the government.

NIV
Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor.
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By BJWilliams
#555153 You really have to be THAT guy PH?
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By Purple Haize
#555154
BJWilliams wrote:You really have to be THAT guy PH?


Well if you’re gonna use Scripture.....
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By Jonathan Carone
#555156 Nothing annoys me more than Christian athletes grabbing a verse out of context to make some catchy slogan.

But I should expect that from a program that "leaves the results to God."
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By cruzan_flame13
#555158
Jonathan Carone wrote:Nothing annoys me more than Christian athletes grabbing a verse out of context to make some catchy slogan.

But I should expect that from a program that "leaves the results to God."


How is this out of context? That verse is part of a believer being submissive to authority. These athletes are not only using this for their opponents but also submitting to their coaches, professors, etc who has some authority over them. I’m not sure how out of context this is; this doesn’t only pertain to government or a faction on a similar level. I actually think it’s not a such a bad slogan, but let me know where you’re coming from on the verse.
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By Purple Haize
#555161
cruzan_flame13 wrote:
Jonathan Carone wrote:Nothing annoys me more than Christian athletes grabbing a verse out of context to make some catchy slogan.

But I should expect that from a program that "leaves the results to God."


How is this out of context? That verse is part of a believer being submissive to authority. These athletes are not only using this for their opponents but also submitting to their coaches, professors, etc who has some authority over them. I’m not sure how out of context this is; this doesn’t only pertain to government or a faction on a similar level. I actually think it’s not a such a bad slogan, but let me know where you’re coming from on the verse.


It’s a GREAT Season Slogan
It’s NOT an actual Scripture
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By TH Spangler
#555162
Jonathan Carone wrote:Nothing annoys me more than Christian athletes grabbing a verse out of context to make some catchy slogan.

But I should expect that from a program that "leaves the results to God."


you're easily annoyed :lol:
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By alabama24
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cruzan_flame13 wrote:How is this out of context?


Let’s see... The slogan says, “fear none.” The verse says, “fear God.” :dontgetit
By oldflame
#555165
Jonathan Carone wrote:It’s a great slogan. Ain’t no reason to Jesus juke it and add a verse but that’s what we do.


Is the TEAM actually attaching that verse to the slogan? If so, it´s a stretch at best. The concept of fearing God does contain an implication that we should not fear any man, but I agree, there is no need to go there. It is a really good slogan without trying to directly tie it to a Bible verse.
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By Class of 20Something
#555167
oldflame wrote:
Jonathan Carone wrote:It’s a great slogan. Ain’t no reason to Jesus juke it and add a verse but that’s what we do.


Is the TEAM actually attaching that verse to the slogan? If so, it´s a stretch at best. The concept of fearing God does contain an implication that we should not fear any man, but I agree, there is no need to go there. It is a really good slogan without trying to directly tie it to a Bible verse.


https://twitter.com/Victoria_WDBJ7/stat ... 23681.html
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By cruzan_flame13
#555169
alabama24 wrote:
cruzan_flame13 wrote:How is this out of context?


Let’s see... The slogan says, “fear none.” The verse says, “fear God.” :dontgetit


When you fear God, you don't fear man hence fearing no one a.k.a any human being.
By flamehunter
#555171
cruzan_flame13 wrote:
alabama24 wrote:
cruzan_flame13 wrote:How is this out of context?


Let’s see... The slogan says, “fear none.” The verse says, “fear God.” :dontgetit


When you fear God, you don't fear man hence fearing no one a.k.a any human being.

The verse is specifically saying to love, honor and respect fellow man and fear God. To interpret that as saying fear no man is a stretch. That whole section of 2 Peter is talking about submitting to those in authority over us (men) and doing good to not dishonor our Heavenly Father. CLASSIC out of context interpretation.
By oldflame
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Class of 20Something wrote:
oldflame wrote:
Jonathan Carone wrote:It’s a great slogan. Ain’t no reason to Jesus juke it and add a verse but that’s what we do.


Is the TEAM actually attaching that verse to the slogan? If so, it´s a stretch at best. The concept of fearing God does contain an implication that we should not fear any man, but I agree, there is no need to go there. It is a really good slogan without trying to directly tie it to a Bible verse.


https://twitter.com/Victoria_WDBJ7/stat ... 23681.html


The way this is phrased (ie ¨coming from¨ I Peter 2:17) skirts the issue that it is NOT a direct scripture quote.
By oldflame
#555176
A Sea of Red wrote:Hear it straight from Gill (starts at 2:37):



I like that it came from the players, and Gill´s explanation of the concept is fine. He actually explains the verse quite well, while failing to mention that it says nothing about ¨fearing none¨. Possibly that came from one of the other scriptures which he said came up in the discussion. I say keep the slogan (which is totally valid and supported by an abundance of scripture) and just stop using this specific reference as if the slogan is a direct quote.
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By BJWilliams
#555179 What's with picking everything apart like vultures on carrion? It's a good slogan...and I'll just leave it at that
By oldflame
#555181
BJWilliams wrote:What's with picking everything apart like vultures on carrion? It's a good slogan...and I'll just leave it at that


I haven´t read a single negative word here about the slogan.
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By cruzan_flame13
#555182
oldflame wrote:Not exactly original:
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/english_to_l ... _none.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respect_All_Fear_None
https://www.midwestvolleyball.com/store ... ts/ts19102

Change the reference to ¨Krumb Snatcha¨?


"Krumb Snatcha" :lol:
By thepostman
#555183
BJWilliams wrote:What's with picking everything apart like vultures on carrion? It's a good slogan...and I'll just leave it at that


The slogan is great. Taking scripture out of context kind of rubs me the wrong way but it isn't anything over the top but you have to at least see that and can understand why it would at least rub some the wrong way.
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By cruzan_flame13
#555184
thepostman wrote:
BJWilliams wrote:What's with picking everything apart like vultures on carrion? It's a good slogan...and I'll just leave it at that


The slogan is great. Taking scripture out of context kind of rubs me the wrong way but it isn't anything over the top but you have to at least see that and can understand why it would at least rub some the wrong way.


I would like to hear why this was out of context; I really want to see how you interpret that verse in addition to the few verses before that. If you're really talking about context, you have to look at who Peter was talking to ( believers) and what was going on during that time period to believers. If you compare that to the student athlete in the "real world" of college life, it's not that far fetched. These players are playing for a "controversial" school in a politically correct environment, just like the believers were in that time 60's A.D. So I'm seeing that they are submitting to their coaches and their opponents, but not fearing them as they fear the Lord. That might hopefully help them to trust in God and work hard on and off the team. How does that rub you the wrong way?
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By Jonathan Carone
#555186
BJWilliams wrote:What's with picking everything apart like vultures on carrion? It's a good slogan...and I'll just leave it at that


The issue is attaching the verse to it. It's just another level of the things Coach Gill does that rubs many of us the wrong way.
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By Jonathan Carone
#555187
cruzan_flame13 wrote:
thepostman wrote:
BJWilliams wrote:What's with picking everything apart like vultures on carrion? It's a good slogan...and I'll just leave it at that


The slogan is great. Taking scripture out of context kind of rubs me the wrong way but it isn't anything over the top but you have to at least see that and can understand why it would at least rub some the wrong way.


I would like to hear why this was out of context; I really want to see how you interpret that verse in addition to the few verses before that. If you're really talking about context, you have to look at who Peter was talking to ( believers) and what was going on during that time period to believers. If you compare that to the student athlete in the "real world" of college life, it's not that far fetched. These players are playing for a "controversial" school in a politically correct environment, just like the believers were in that time 60's A.D. So I'm seeing that they are submitting to their coaches and their opponents, but not fearing them as they fear the Lord. That might hopefully help them to trust in God and work hard on and off the team. How does that rub you the wrong way?


How and why does "fear God" equating to "fear no man"? Are the two mutually exclusive? And if so, how? Is it impossible to fear God and fear men?