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By BJWilliams
#534161 Man i wish i could watch the first Ravens preseason game. Id love to see Josh get some in game NFL reps
By thepostman
#534162 But there are plenty of bad teammates on NFL rosters. He isn't on a roster because of his political beliefs. I don't even agree with his beliefs and think he's wrong but when you see some of the QBs on NFL rosters it's crazy he isn't on one.

Also. Woodrum was always a pretty crappy teammate himself. Just to bring this back in topic.
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By Purple Haize
#534164
thepostman wrote:Has he said he wants to be handed a starting job?

He should have a job in the NFL. There are way worse people in the NFL than Colin Kaepernick.

I get it. He didn't pay his respects to the flag. I think there are better ways to get your point across but at the end of the day I would much rather people take that approach than some of the other extreme approaches we have seen others take.

It is insane that his political beliefs have cost him a job. White Christians were up in arms when Tebow found himself on the outside looking in but Kaepernick, who is better and a solid backup, get blacklisted all is Ok?

Sorry for the want but it's really annoyed me lately.


He's a back up QB, despite what Booger McFarland says. He was lightning in a bottle the SB year because that was the first year a team really went with a read option at the pro level. The defenses quickly figured that scheme and his weaknesses out. So for him to be on a team he'd have to go to one that has a run oriented QB offense. It's why Seattle made sense. But other than that, there are not a lot of offenses suited to his style of play.
By thepostman
#534166 I agree he isn't a starter in this league. I never was high on him as a starter but there are some crappy back ups getting paid in the league and some even worse teammates.

Aka Josh Woodrum.

;)
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By Class of 20Something
#534170 Kaep isn't worth the negative press for any team at the moment. Sure he's a higher quality back up than most in the league, but most owners don't want to intentionally bring that media firestorm into town for a backup.

I'm a Cowboys fan and think Kaepernick is a great fit to backup Dak, but with the reputation Dallas has, valid or not, with character issues they won't bring him in. We just signed a 37 year old Luke McCown because it isn't a big story.

Woodrum is at the least a serviceable camp body that doesn't bring in any additional press. I hope he makes the 53 but have my doubts.
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By Sly Fox
#534215 Generally character issues are a positive in Jerruh's book. He's built an entire culture around it in Frisco.
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By Class of 20Something
#534236
Sly Fox wrote:Generally character issues are a positive in Jerruh's book. He's built an entire culture around it in Frisco.


:roll:

Dallas has the media to thank for that untrue narrative in sports. Since 2000, Dallas is in the Bottom half of the league in arrests at 20 arrests in 17 years. Meanwhile the league leading Vikings have had 44 separate arrests in the same span. The last place is the Texans, who weren't a team until 2002, with 8.

Being America's Team means being in the spotlight disproportionately. There isn't a culture issue in Dallas.
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By Class of 20Something
#534239
thepostman wrote:Ahhh the media is the reason for the narrative. Is that you Donald?


Character assassination is a really weak debate tactic. Try reading past the first line and you might come off as more than a pretentious tool.

I gave plenty of facts for you to refute. You should try it.
By flamehunter
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Class of 20Something wrote:
Sly Fox wrote:Generally character issues are a positive in Jerruh's book. He's built an entire culture around it in Frisco.


:roll:

Dallas has the media to thank for that untrue narrative in sports. Since 2000, Dallas is in the Bottom half of the league in arrests at 20 arrests in 17 years. Meanwhile the league leading Vikings have had 44 separate arrests in the same span. The last place is the Texans, who weren't a team until 2002, with 8.

Being America's Team means being in the spotlight disproportionately. There isn't a culture issue in Dallas.

:nod
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By Sly Fox
#534248 Yeah, that might fly with someone who hasn't had personal dealings with the Jones family and the Cowboys organization on a close basis. You failed ot mention the long string of felons that Jerruh will bring onto the squad. The last couple of weeks have been a a near constant run on the police blotter. Jerruh would sign John Wayne Gacy if he thought he could squeeze an extra few yards a game.

And yes, we remember the legendary Vikings cruise. The difference being that whne Minnesota players are arrested they are either disciplined or cut. Jerruh actively pursues them. Then again, Jerruh always considered Al Davis a mentor.

As for Josh, he has the tools to be a serviceable backup. He just needs to impress someone enough in camp to keep him around long enough to learn a system.
By jinxy
#534249 The arrest numbers dont count all the thugs they brought in after their problems like hardy and collins. Zek is a natural fit for dallas.
By thepostman
#534253 What is crazy to me is we are lumping kap into the same category as people who have been arrested. It's insane.

As far as the cowboys go jerry jones defended Greg Hardy for way too long. At that point I decided to never give him or the cowboys the benefit of the doubt and that is just one case.

Sly covered it much better and I could. If Sly and I are in the same page something must be up. Haha
By flamehunter
#534255 Wow the hate is strong with this group. Jealousy will do that to you haha.

Disclaimer: I am a lifetime Cowboys but haven't liked Jerry from almost day one of his ownership. Definitely his treatment of Tom Landry sealed that. But they are still my team and guys like Jason Witten help me remain loyal.

As for the "thugs" I think Jerry suffers from Danny Rocco syndrome, hoping he can tap into the talent while helping to reform the player. Sometimes it works, often it does not. I don't like it as it values certain individuals over others based on God-given talent rather than character.

ps. Not a fan of JJ in the HOF. He has money and spent it lavishly on his team which is fine but that's his only contribution to football and not HOF worthy in my opinion.
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By BJWilliams
#534261 For the record the Ravens opener is next Thursday against Washington so hopefully Josh will get to play (and im sure postie would love to see him do terribly since he dislikes him so much)
By jinxy
#534264 Further removed we get from woodrum playing here the better he looks. Remember all the brilliant players that wanted masha and swore he was better or all the guys that said he wasnt a leader. Wonder how many of those guys were part of the problem since it seemed to carry into last year. I was as critical as anyone on josh but ive started to think it wasnt all him.
By thepostman
#534281
BJWilliams wrote:For the record the Ravens opener is next Thursday against Washington so hopefully Josh will get to play (and im sure postie would love to see him do terribly since he dislikes him so much)


Never change BJ.

I have always wished nothing but the best for Josh and hope he does well. Just because I've been critical of Josh doesn't mean I hope he fails. That's just silly. But it's how you've always operated so it is to be expected.
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By Class of 20Something
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rmiller1959 wrote:Josh just threw a 33-yard TD pass on the first play of his second series with the Ravens. This is the first time he's actually played in an NFL game if memory serves.

Perfect placement too. Making a strong case for at least a practice squad.
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By rmiller1959
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Class of 20Something wrote:
rmiller1959 wrote:Josh just threw a 33-yard TD pass on the first play of his second series with the Ravens. This is the first time he's actually played in an NFL game if memory serves.

Perfect placement too. Making a strong case for at least a practice squad.


He threw a nice 14-yard slant on a subsequent drive. He looks poised out there. It's also notable that the other backup, Dustin Vaughn, only got one series in the second half while Josh Woodrum took all the other snaps. I think a practice squad slot is entirely possible.
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By BJWilliams
#534549 He could get third string outright if they decide to keep a third qb on the roster
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By BJWilliams
#534555 From you? Not really...Youre doing it because of my previous comments so it really isn't that big of a surprise that you try to change your tune.

Anyway, Josh performed well last night. Will be monitoring Flacco's progress as he recovers from his back issues and see if he gets a bit more run in the remaining games this preseason
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By BJWilliams
#534577 Was listening to the local afternoon drive show and they mentioned Josh briefly discussing the Ravens...made a facetious comment about a QB controversy after his performance last night
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By rmiller1959
#534615 Matthew Stevens of Ravens Wire had this to say in his "Studs and Duds" column about the 23-3 preseason win:

Josh Woodrum:

I might get a little flak for this, but the third-string “camp arm” quarterback had the best performance of the six quarterbacks that saw the field between the two teams. With an offensive line that was a sieve early on, Woodrum had to run for his life on a few occasions, picking up a large chunk of yards on one occasion and keeping plays going on others.

When things finally settled down, Woodrum nailed several deep throws, finding wide receiver Tim White for the only passing touchdown of the night. Woodrum finished a perfect 4-for-4 for 85 yards and a touchdown.

http://ravenswire.usatoday.com/2017/08/ ... edskins/2/
By JK37
#534628 Ah, maybe we will! At the end of the season's first episode, they preview a kicking competition, which seemed weird to me.
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By BJWilliams
#534641 Aguayo was a sad story...one of the most accurate kickers in college and a total head case once he hits the pros...and the Bucs used a second round pick for him too
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By gerb
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It seems Josh Woodrum’s preseason game against the Washington Redskins has elevated him to the second string. He worked his reps with most of the second unit, at least more than before the game on Thursday.


https://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2017/8/13/16140908/strictly-football-practice-notes-from-8-13-keenan-reynolds-jaylen-hill-ravens-training-camp-2017

Nice catches for Keenan Reynolds: The Naval Academy graduate fared well during a seven-on-seven exercise, making a tough catch in traffic over the middle and then beating rookie cornerback Reggie Porter to grab a deep pass from quarterback Josh Woodrum along the right sideline.


More troubles for the quarterbacks: Ryan Mallett made only one poor decision, but it was a bad one as his pass to Boyle during a red zone drill was intercepted by cornerback Brandon Carr and returned more than 90 yards for a defensive touchdown. And rookie cornerback Jaylen Hill picked off a ball thrown by Dustin Vaughan.


http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bs-sp-ravens-training-camp-highlights-20170813-story.html
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By Cider Jim
#534959 Ravens are on TV tonight, and Josh just ran for a 14-yard TD and threw for a 2-point conversion.

Announcers said the only the LU player to make the NFL was Samkon Gado. No mention of Eric Green or half dozen others (or more) who made the NFL. Announcers obviously didn't do their research.
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By rmiller1959
#534962
Cider Jim wrote:Ravens are on TV tonight, and Josh just ran for a 14-yard TD and threw for a 2-point conversion.

Announcers said the only the LU player to make the NFL was Samkon Gado. No mention of Eric Green or half dozen others (or more) who made the NFL. Announcers obviously didn't do their research.


Josh finished 8/10 for 110 yards and a 112.5 QB rating. Ryan Mallett had a 50.0 rating by comparison. Josh is putting some solid play on film. I think he'll make an NFL roster this year.
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By TallyW
#534963 Agreed. Josh was interviewed by the Ravens Post Game crew. They basically gave him softball questions asking how he may be ready if another team wants to pick him up. The way Mallett is playing, he may get a shot with the Ravens first string. He's played very well when given the opportunity.
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By rmiller1959
#534964 The comments on Twitter are quite favorable. The consensus is that he's more poised than Mallett and is outperforming him at this point in the preseason.

https://twitter.com/DanClarkSports/stat ... 0886659072

https://twitter.com/PFF_Gordon/status/8 ... 2802576385
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By TallyW
#534965 Yeah... I just watched his interview on the Ravens Facebook page... If fan comments are any indication... he's won a lot of people over. A ton of people were saying to let him run with the 1's next week. Mallett is playing poorly. I'd love to see Josh get a run next week against the 1's on D. We'll see. He's doing a great job.
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By rmiller1959
#534967
TallyW wrote:Yeah... I just watched his interview on the Ravens Facebook page... If fan comments are any indication... he's won a lot of people over. A ton of people were saying to let him run with the 1's next week. Mallett is playing poorly. I'd love to see Josh get a run next week against the 1's on D. We'll see. He's doing a great job.


http://russellstreetreport.com/rave-on- ... phins-win/
By thepostman
#534969 He is really surprising me. He has always had a ton of talent. Seems to really be clicking for him now. Will be interesting to see if he gets more time with the 1st string next week.
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By Purple Haize
#534972 Can't measure maturity. Looks like he's found it. Which will accentuate the talent we knew he had
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By rmiller1959
#534973
thepostman wrote:He is really surprising me. He has always had a ton of talent. Seems to really be clicking for him now. Will be interesting to see if he gets more time with the 1st string next week.


The popular sentiment is that he's earned a shot to play with the ones, but if they're locked in on Mallett as the #2 and Flacco isn't ready to start the season, they may believe he needs all the 1st team reps he can get.

https://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2017/ ... odrum-good
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By rmiller1959
#534974
Purple Haize wrote:Can't measure maturity. Looks like he's found it. Which will accentuate the talent we knew he had


He is showing a level of maturity that may have come from the ups and downs of his NFL fortunes. His post-game interviews have certainly been polished and professional.

Check out @Ravens's Tweet: https://twitter.com/Ravens/status/89837 ... 45792?s=09
By ballah09
#534976 He always had the the arm, athleticism and accuracy. He was pretty good at reading defenses as well. Only knock on him was the maturity, the deep ball and the touch. All of this seems to have improved especially his touch. His deep balls have been on point. He's been really putting in the work. He should be the QB2.

I'll will say this as well...the coaching staff didn't do him favors with the play calling. Running up the middle on 1st and 2nd down and topping off with the bomb. It was like clock work.
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By TallyW
#534978 Similar story on ESPN this morning:

Chris often wore Josh's jersey during games at Liberty University, where Josh became the first quarterback in Big South history to throw for more than 10,000 yards.

But Josh is quick to point out Chris' accomplishments. He won two gold medals in swimming and a silver as part of a relay team in the Special Olympics in 2010.

"I just want to make him proud," Josh said. "He never complains about anything."

Woodrum is making the most of his opportunity with Baltimore. He quickly has gone from being a camp arm -- someone signed to replace a lower-level Arena League passer -- to a fan favorite. There were chants of "Woodrum" at some bars in Maryland during Thursday night's game.


http://www.espn.com/blog/baltimore-rave ... n-syndrome
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