[VAGolf]

Western Illinois had one good game this season, against Indiana State, who went 8-6.

Western Illinois was pummeled by South Dakota State, who is average. They struggled to put away a terrible South Dakota team and they were rocked by Southern Illinois. They're garbage.

I don't even disagree with you really about NDSU being better than App State and Ga Southern. But the Bison are much more vulnerable than in recent years,

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They lost to NDSU by 7 (which they were winning into the 4th and tied until 3:51 to go). They lost to Illinois State by 3 (another national semifinalist). They beat South Dakota by 15. I don't dispute that the they got beaten handily by SIU and SDSU (at SDSU in 24 degrees in 5 inches of snow), but those were two pretty good teams. WIU isn't garbage.

I never said that the Bison weren't more vulnerable. There have been chances to knock them out of the playoffs. But no one has done it.

[VAGolf]

You said NDSU would beat all three of those teams with the confidence of Chuck Norris about to do battle with Chris Farley.

All I'm saying is that if NDSU struggles with an, average at best, WIU team then there is no guarantee they would beat App State, Georgia Southern and ODU. I wouldn't put money on NDSU going 3-0 against those teams.

[Purple Haize]

You said NDSU would beat all three of those teams with the confidence of Chuck Norris about to do battle with Chris Farley.

All I'm saying is that if NDSU struggles with an, average at best, WIU team then there is no guarantee they would beat App State, Georgia Southern and ODU. I wouldn't put money on NDSU going 3-0 against those teams.

The flaw in both arguments is looking at one year as compared to a body of work encompassing several seasons

[VAGolf]

That's my point. This years NDSU team is not the same team of year's past. They are still very good, obviously, but they aren't what they were a year ago.

FWIW, this is a young team with a bunch of juniors and sophomores. In fact, I believe they even start a true freshman at WR. But this season, they are not what they were last season. They haven't played like it either.

Last season, they crushed everyone except for Northern Iowa (who always gives them fits.). They even won the championship 35-7. They were a couple of drives away last week from being eliminated in the quarterfinals. Not the same team.

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You said NDSU would beat all three of those teams with the confidence of Chuck Norris about to do battle with Chris Farley.

You are reading into things. All I said was that they were better than all three and would beat all three. No smack, no predictions, no context. Nothing else.

All I'm saying is that if NDSU struggles with an, average at best, WIU team then there is no guarantee they would beat App State, Georgia Southern and ODU. I wouldn't put money on NDSU going 3-0 against those teams.

No one said anything about NDSU playing those three teams in three consecutive weeks. No one guaranteed anything.

[VAGolf]

You said

NDSU would beat all three of those teams.

I said

All I'm saying is that if NDSU struggles with an, average at best, WIU team then there is no guarantee they would beat App State, Georgia Southern and ODU. I wouldn't put money on NDSU going 3-0 against those teams.

Saying that they would beat all three is a prediction broski.

I said nothing about them playing in consecutive weeks.

They are struggling with teams that they haven't struggled with in the past. They barely beat Coastal, who had an injured QB, and the game was at home. Last year, they rolled through playoffs. This year, they were rolled @ Northern Iowa. And even though Northern Iowa was good and typically gives NDSU problems, NDSU hasn't been rolled by anyone in a while. Thus, it's not the same team and it shouldn't be crazy to say that App State, ODU or Georgia Southern would beat them.

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Saying that they would beat all three is a prediction broski.

In what world? A pick 'em is not a prediction. Predictions have scores; no one gave any predictions.

I said nothing about them playing in consecutive weeks.

I wouldn't put money on NDSU going 3-0 against those teams.

You were the only one saying anything about NDSU going 3-0 against GSU, App. State, and ODU. 3-0 means victories in three consecutive games.

My statements were in the context of speculative head to head match-ups between NDSU and these schools with this season's teams: UMASS, South Alabama, Texas State, UTSA, Georgia State, Appalachian State, Georgia Southern, ODU, Charlotte. NOT 3-0.

[VAGolf]

In the world of the definition of prediction, which is merely foretelling something. Since when does something require scores to be a prediction?



By 3-0 I mean winning all three of those games...doesn't have to be in consecutive weeks. If you say someone's divisional record is 4-2, does that mean they played 6 consecutive division games? Or does that just mean they won 4 out of 6 divisional games?

C'mon broski.

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In the world of the definition of prediction, which is merely foretelling something. Since when does something require scores to be a prediction?

In the context of college football, predictions include scores. Everyone from Chris Lang (http://www.newsadvance.com/sports/liber ... 21332.html) to Mark Schlabach (http://espn.go.com/college-football/bow ... bowl-games) does it that way.

By 3-0 I mean winning all three of those games...doesn't have to be in consecutive weeks. If you say someone's divisional record is 4-2, does that mean they played 6 consecutive division games? Or does that just mean they won 4 out of 6 divisional games?

We are only talking about these games individually and not hypothetical schedules. You are talking about 3-0; everyone else is talking about 1-0, 1-0, 1-0, etc. This is hypothetical head to head with this season's teams; it's that simple. If you want to build fictional schedules and play hypothetical seasons with NDSU, join AGS, join Bisonville, or go play dynasty with them in NCAA Football 14.