- April 12th, 2006, 4:30 pm
#11298
guys we need to get things on topic. please use this thread to post what you think on LU's possible to I-A football.
Moderators: jcmanson, Sly Fox, BuryYourDuke, Class of 20Something
TallyW wrote:I agree with LUConn... a little more subtle of a change would have worked fine...Since there was a post switch, you may have missed this point being addressed. After a few years (3 or 4) your 1AA record won't amount to much. HOWEVER, in the run up TO 1A it means ooodles. The main reason is foundation. PA threw out some dates we dablled in with this regard. After YEARS (IMO 6 - 10 which would encompass the ability to recruit a solid recruiting class - 3 years - and be consistent - >3years - and a possible coaching change - not too many people feel Rocco will hang around that long- ) of success at this level you would build a nice foundation financially, within the community, and take advantage of what will probably be NCAA changes for D1 status and figuring out what conference would want us OR be right for us. During those "transition" years you would be able to build a team that is USED to winning so that when the move comes they can be competitive. At that point your start trying to roll in the SOLID 1A players. So the short answer would be: To Build A Foundation
The connection from 1AA success to 1A success is what I'm missing here. If someone could show me where it was necessary to do SJ's 20 year plan, I'd be open to it. As for now I'm not in agreement with the other crowd b/c I just don't see the point. When you get to 1A, those atheletes won't care what you did at 1AA. Even if they do it's only a matter of time before you win. True, some schools have failed before at the switch but we have a huge distinctive that we can play up. Whether or not people on this board think it can work... the Christian angle can be a great tool in the future. BYU does it. Why is it so hard for people to believe that LU could do it for Evangelical Christians?
bigsmooth wrote:sorry guys. it was an honest mistake. forgive me for not being PERFECT. I HAD A COMPUTER PROBLEM AT WORK WHILE I WAS TRYING TO CHANGE THE TOPICS.Hell fire and brimstone for you my friend Hell Fire and Brimstone!!!!! (Or a Soul Force Rally your choice!)
TallyW wrote:Forgiven. (not that you need it... we're just giving you a hard time)Well spend a weekend at my cabin in Monatana and that might change your mind. I know SJ is already committed!!
Brokeback... you actually made some sense to me. I probably agree about 70% or so with you. I'm all for winning where we are (always have been)... I just haven't seen the point of WAITING. Your plan sounds closer to the 10 year plan than SJ's proposal of nearly 10 years before we think about it. I'm saying we can make it between 10-15. I do agree with you that there will be a coaching change (or 2) by then. But I think we're also going to experience a dramatic upswing as for the talent level of coaching that we bring in for all of our sports year after year. As an organization grows, they attract better talent and learn lessons...(like paying people what they're worth). I think many of us who believe we can make the 1A jump agree that many things will have to change but I think our difference lies in how quickly we see those changes coming. Dr. Falwell won't be pulling the same strings in the same way when he's 79 or 80. His sons have more and more control and frankly I believe they are ready to make a mark. One is a successful businessman and another a successful lawyer... they both have a little savy when dealing with the working world and paying people right., etc. I think we all may be closer than we think... It may just be a few years difference between us on this one. Some of us think it can happen sooner... some later... some not at all. I will probably begin to ignore the ones who don't feel it can happen at all and continue a dialogue with those who are looking at real plans to make it happen.
One way or another I believe it will happen. The exposure of a low level D1A team vs. the exposure of a good 1AA team is (in my mind) incomparable. As a high school student I had no clue who App. State or JMU was. I was from Maryland. I knew morgan and towson st. but they were considered little more than older High School players... they weren't taken as serious atheletes. Once we make the jump we're in a different class and the challenge then will be to win at that level... this pressure will cause more chnages and eventually allow us to be competetive. Everything has a price. I just believe we'll be ready in 10-15 years to pay that price. We don't need to wait 20 or more.
Sly Fox wrote:Ever the optimist, eh Brokeback?Hey I gave a Best Case Scenario!!! I am just trying to avoid the Kool Aid. It gives me a rash!
Sly Fox wrote:You'll have a tough time stopping the Koolaid dude from crashing through these walls. Seriously, I think most everyone has been cautious at the minimum regarding this direction. We have enough folks on the outside mocking us that we don't exactly have a strong need for internal discord. But everyone is welcome to bring it here as long as they keep it clean.SLy, I don't think anyone here has been mocking us. I think those on the "cautious" side are just that. We/They have seen past projects and how they have been handled and don't want to see this handled the same way. I just have a hard time forgetting what has happened in the past, and when I hear the same rhetoric as before it raises a red flag. As for discord, I think it is almost more important to have internal dissenting views b/c there is a possibility of a Bunker Mentality because of what is happening "outside" the mountain.
TallyW wrote: I do agree with you that there will be a coaching change (or 2) by then.Out of curiosity, what does everyone else know that I don't?
JLFJR wrote:Thanks for your input, PA! Very helpful.
JLFJR wrote:Thanks for your input, PA! Very helpful.
TallyW wrote:IF he's paid well andGosh TALLY, and I am the one called a pessimist. To be consistent shouldn't I have posted that? You should have posted the same but said HE HAS, HE WILL, HE SEES, HIS BROTHER WILL. Gosh, where is YOUR vision and faith in the powers that be!!!
IF he has freedom and
IF he gets the support for the program he needs and
IF he sees a viable jump to 1A here and
IF his brother stays in a good relationship with LCA
Then he may stay. But I think most of us think he's too good to put up with any garbage he may come across.
Hopefully the doing things right mentality is starting to spread among everyone in the administration and we'll keep these quality people (barber, rocco, green, tolsma, etc.)
PAmedic wrote:I understand where you're coming from- but remember, this is LU FB- near and dear to our chancellor's heart. My guess is that as long as he's winning, he's got a ticket to ride.....and she don't care. My baby don't care....."
(and if you get that reference, you're an old hag!)
TallyW wrote:Brokeback.. don't doubt my vision... I call myself a realist, practical, thoughtful.... LOLHA, you people are nothing more then belly achers, back benchers who will complain about anything. GOod thing the Donner party didn't listen to people like you or they would have wound up..................oh wait.
JLFJR wrote:Thanks for your input, PA! Very helpful.
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