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Apple's success: fad or here to stay?

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By flamesbball84
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Okay folks, we all know how successful Apple has been since the debut of the iPod. They are dominant in the mp3 player market and are increasing their market share in the computer market, although they still own a very slim amount of the computer market share compared to windows computers. Apple built their recent success entirely on the sales of iTunes songs which can only be played on iPod mp3 players, thus making it essential to have an iPod if you wanted to listen to your purchased songs on the go. However, wal-mart and amazon are really beginning to make a strong push with their mp3 stores that are DRM-free and thus can play on any mp3 player. They could prove to be a very significant threat to Apple's iTunes sales, which have driven their iPod sales. We've all seen companies be really successful in the past for a while, then when the popularity of their product(s) wore out (rather it be their specific product or the product category in general) and then go back to where they were before they became very successful. So do you think that Apple's success is due to Apple being a fad or that Apple's success will be sustained for years and years to come?
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By flamesbball84
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As of now, I ahve to say the success with the mp3/pmp players is here to stay. None of the other major manufacturers of mp3/pmp players are putting out products that are as innovative and forward thinking as Apple is. THere are some lower tiered companies making some products that can favorably compare to Apple, however they are lower tiered companies in a product category that is very difficult to compete in.

As far as computers go, I'm still leaning to the fad side. My reason why: Windows is still the dominant OS in the secondary school systems. If you grow up using Windows based computers throught your secondary schooling, then most of these people will stick with what they are familiar with and are used to using. Most people don't want to have to all of a sudden start learning a new OS. When you develop such brand loyalty, it is very difficult to convince consumers to make the switch. Apple is gradually doing it, but I don't see it being sustained unless they start to become the dominant computer in the school systems like they were 15-20 years ago, barring a significant technological breakthrough that Windows used to take over.
By Hold My Own
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COMMENTS COMING FROM A PC USER:



Apple is here to stay. They have set themselves up very nicely in the market. To be honest, I'm not sure they would be nearly as prominent if it wasnt for the Ipod. The Ipod put Apple in the face of PC users that were ignorant to the world outside of their PC.


Its no secret, Apple makes a superior product with anything they put their label on. ipod, iphone, macbook pro, etc


it's a brilliant company that works well with the new age of thinking (firefox open source, google, etc) so these companies love working with them while they HATE M$ (stands for Microsoft for those that didnt know).


ALTHOUGH they did make an mistake recently with the Safari update which really made the Firefox CEO mad, hopefully Apple learned their lesson though and this wasnt a sign of things to come.

Firefox chief fumes over Apple Safari update

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000 ... 549,00.htm
Mozilla chief executive John Lilly has hit out at Apple, accusing the company of doing a disservice to Windows users everywhere by including its Safari browser as a default add-on installation in the latest iTunes update, likening the practice to the way malware is distributed.

In a recent blog post, the head of the foundation behind the Firefox browser and Thunderbird email client attacked Apple for including the option to install the browser as a pre-selected default, saying it compromises the security of all users and the entire web.

"Apple has made it incredibly easy — the default, even — for users to install ride-along software that they didn't ask for and maybe didn't want. This is wrong, and borders on malware distribution practices," said Lilly in the post.

"It undermines the trust relationship great companies have with their customers, and that's bad not just for Apple but for the security of the whole web."

"Keeping software up-to-date is hard — hard for consumers to understand what patches are for, how to make sure they're up-to-date. It's also critically, crucially important for the security of end users and for the security of the web at large that people stay current," he said.

While Lilly encouraged Apple's practice of releasing frequent updates, he objected to the option to install Safari coming pre-ticked, saying the "likely behaviour" for users would be to click the option to install both items, thus abusing the implicit trust between software makers and their customers.

"User expectations drive the industry to provide a simpler yet richer computing experience for the customer," said Andrew Walls, security research director at analyst firm Gartner. "This user demand for magical computer experiences has forced vendors to shield the user from technological complexity, which generally forces the vendors to make decisions on the user's behalf."

The Gartner analyst said the move by Apple to provide a semi-automated download of Safari as an add-on to a separate upgrade should be assessed with this in mind, as well as the ongoing context of proprietary-based PC computing.

"To an increasing extent, the PC is viewed as a platform for the delivery of licensed content. The user does not own the operating system, content or applications. As a result of proprietary hardware design, the user is even restricted in the extent that they 'own' the hardware," said Walls.

"It is not reasonable to expect vendors to regard a PC as a private space into which they may not venture," Walls added.

Lilly, however, said he believes Apple is affecting the way users see technology companies. "It's wrong because it undermines the trust that we're all trying to build with users; because it means that an update isn't just an update but is maybe something more; because it ultimately undermines the safety of users on the web by eroding that relationship. It's a bad practice and should stop," he wrote.
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By flamesbball84
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question: why is the OSX allegedly superior to Windows? I have maybe 10 minutes of experience with it at the most, and that was just to check a few things on the internet when I was in BestBuy the other day ago - I was using a macbook air to see what was such the big deal about it, it was neat, but still not very functional with only one usb port and without a dvd drive (can buy an external one I know, but that's another thing to have to carry around)...
By Hold My Own
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Macbook Air for me is great...I go to Panera everyday to work on things so it's easy to carry...I have never used my CD-Rom driver other than when I'm at home so that wouldnt be a problem.


As far as the operation system, its about 1000 times more reliable than windows...about 1000 times quicker, etc. On my PC if I have 5 or 6 programs open I can see my system memory (1gig) start to bog down and slow everything down. Mac though doesnt seem to have as many issues with that.


Within the next year I'm looking to buy a Macbook Air and Macbook Pro but I'll keep my PC Lenovo (it's been the best PC laptop I've ever owned although still isnt a Mac)



I'm not the best at answering these type quesitons....if Scorchy was here he'd set us all straight
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By flamesbball84
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i know artists and Adobe product users practically obsess over apple. i've done tons of desktop publishing using Adobe PageMaker and InDesign over the past few years. It's worked pretty well and I don't really see how a Mac could make it any easier. I assume the programs have the same type of layout and whatnot...

I have 2 GBs of memory and an Intel Core Duo 1.73 GHz processor with Vista OS. My task manager says I have 85 processes running (I guess that includes all of the background processes that I have chosen to start along with the Windows ones) and the CPU use range is from 18-35% (depending on which running program is the "active" program, meaning the one I'm looking at) and memory usage is 53%. Occasionally it will get bogged down if I have a bunch of firefox tabs and media center open, but other than that it runs pretty smoothly and is about as reliable as it can be. Certainly better than that disaster of XP I absolutely hated that OS and feel Vista is a clearly superior OS as long as you have the proper hardware specs to run it.

PS - i'm not the one that voted fad, I haven't voted in the poll because I'm not sold on the sustained growing market share of Apple computers. I'm waiting to see if Microsoft still ends up sticking with their plan of releasing a new OS about every 2-3 years. It appears that with the release of Vista that Windows has decided to make significant changes in their strategy to curb the growing yet still small apple market share.
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By Sly Fox
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It would be hard to call a company that has been successful for thirty years as a fad.

That said, I see mp3 players being integrated more into smartphones rendering a separate device pointless. And unless Apple really ups their game for their next generation iPhone then I wouldn't expect them to increase their marketshare significantly in that field.

Desktops & laptops are where I see their greatest growth potential.

As for the Safari deal, it seems as though Steve Jobs is taken on more of the tactics of the company he swears is his archenemy. Perhaps Steve & Bill have been golfing together and cozying up.
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By flamesbball84
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Sly Fox wrote:As for the Safari deal, it seems as though Steve Jobs is taken on more of the tactics of the company he swears is his archenemy. Perhaps Steve & Bill have been golfing together and cozying up.
What do you think of the whole iTunes music (unless you get some of the few itunes + songs) basically requiring an iPod to listen to them on the go? I still don't see how that was any different than the big ordeal that was made over Microsoft packaging their products with Windows...
By Hold My Own
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it's not that different....but I also think it's the same as a computer program that only will run on PC or vise versa
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By flamesbball84
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Hold My Own wrote:it's not that different....but I also think it's the same as a computer program that only will run on PC or vise versa
That is completely different, you aren't packaging something with the program. With the iPod, you are packaging iTunes with it and have to use it (unless you decide to use winamp, but most people don't know that it is designed to work with iPods now). If you buy a computer program, it doesn't come packaged with a computer and that is the only computer you can use it on...
By Hold My Own
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I agree after thinking about it my examples are not that good...
By Realist
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It's pretty hard to nail that question down without doing some big time research on it and most of it isn't accessible unless you want to pay some fees to gather it.

Also, are you talking dollar market share or unit market share?

Aren't apple products more expensive than most other brands? In terms of units, if apple is more expensive, I find it hard to believe they will make long term in-roads. Most message board people are heavy computer users and may opt for more expensive, but most people usually just go with basic utility. I don't use the computer for anything crazy so I don't see myself spending extra cash when I'm perfectly happy with what I can get for less.

I have no idea on the ipod stuff, my fiance has one but I've never touched it.


I also heard of someone who had his airbook thrown away b/c it was under a newspaper, his wife picked it up and tossed it. Ouch!
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By RubberMallet
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they have a great niche market....and have been around for years....i would say they aren't going around for a long time...as sly said, they have gotten around to using some of the tactics windows likes to use...but hey you have to do what you gotta do right?

i'd say 50% of the computers in schools today are still macs. apple has done a phenominal job of keeping this market. however most tech coordinators have no idea how to make their apple networks work and are as clueless about them as they are cisco equipment....
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By JDUB
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define long term. in my opinion they have already made it long term.
they have a proven track record in innovative design, and continue to introduce new things that are ahead of everyone else (ie macbook air, iphone, etc)
as long as they stay a step ahead of everyone else, they will continue to grow.
as far as people not wanting to switch over, that is only true to a small extent. i know many people including myself that are tired of microsoft and all the pc stuff and i for one am done after this computer is out of date. I will be buying a mac as my next computer
By LUconn
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I voted fad. I don't think they're going anywhere, as they're a well established company. But their popularity will fade in my opinion. As stuffwhitepeoplelike so accurately described, it really is just "cool" to have their stuff. I'm not saying it's a bad product, but when you've put yourself in a position of being the "in" product, it's normally only 10 years or so until it winds up in a coffeehouse sketch and this board is making fun of it. And I'm sure once the computers get more and more popular they will be less and less secure just like people are always bagging on microsoft. Not that their quality standards go down but their will simply be more people trying to break into them because there will be more of them.

So basically, they'll be around, but they won't be the trendy untouchable apple that they are now. They'll be Gateway with their cool cow boxes.
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By flamesbball84
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RubberMallet wrote:they have a great niche market....and have been around for years....i would say they aren't going around for a long time...as sly said, they have gotten around to using some of the tactics windows likes to use...but hey you have to do what you gotta do right?

i'd say 50% of the computers in schools today are still macs. apple has done a phenominal job of keeping this market. however most tech coordinators have no idea how to make their apple networks work and are as clueless about them as they are cisco equipment....
it's nowhere close to 50% if the article i read a few months ago has any truth to it, which I'm pretty sure it would considering it was from some top business journal. it apparently is actually one of the markets they are struggling to keep a high market share in. most school systems ahve gone with PCs because they are cheaper.
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By flamesbball84
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JDUB wrote:define long term. in my opinion they have already made it long term.
they have a proven track record in innovative design, and continue to introduce new things that are ahead of everyone else (ie macbook air, iphone, etc)
as long as they stay a step ahead of everyone else, they will continue to grow.
as far as people not wanting to switch over, that is only true to a small extent. i know many people including myself that are tired of microsoft and all the pc stuff and i for one am done after this computer is out of date. I will be buying a mac as my next computer
i'm talking longterm with their recent success with the iPod/macbook stuff. The iPod is here to stay clearly, however i'm still not sold on rather the success apple has seen in their growing unit market share with their macbooks is here to stay. I still think it could be a fad because Microsoft has started to make key strategical changes and are going to be introducing some new innovative products (can't remember the name, but they have some surface thing they are working on that is supposed to be really cool) and producing OSes on a much quicker basis than XP and Vista - similar to how often a new Mac OS comes out.
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By flamesbball84
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Realist wrote:It's pretty hard to nail that question down without doing some big time research on it and most of it isn't accessible unless you want to pay some fees to gather it.
If you go to college your library should have access to tons of professional journals online and in print for free. If it doesn't provide them for free then your library is rather outdated!
By SuperJon
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Apple will always be around for people interested in mixing music, doing graphic arts, or video editing. That's their niche and right now they're so much better for that type of stuff it isn't even funny.

As an every day computer to use just for basic stuff though I don't know if they'll stay as popular.
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By Sly Fox
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They are Johnny Come Lately in non-linear editing. But they were the first to bring quality software to the consumer market.

15 years ago everyone in graphic arts was gaga over Amiga. Whoever gives the public the best product at that particular day will succeed.

The pack is already catching up with Apple in nearly all of their markets. We'll see how they respond.
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By RubberMallet
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flamesbball84 wrote:
RubberMallet wrote:they have a great niche market....and have been around for years....i would say they aren't going around for a long time...as sly said, they have gotten around to using some of the tactics windows likes to use...but hey you have to do what you gotta do right?

i'd say 50% of the computers in schools today are still macs. apple has done a phenominal job of keeping this market. however most tech coordinators have no idea how to make their apple networks work and are as clueless about them as they are cisco equipment....
it's nowhere close to 50% if the article i read a few months ago has any truth to it, which I'm pretty sure it would considering it was from some top business journal. it apparently is actually one of the markets they are struggling to keep a high market share in. most school systems ahve gone with PCs because they are cheaper.
you hear more schools going to pc environments than going to mac environments....so you are right...but they are holding onto quite a bit as for every 2 schools i talk to, 1 is an apple district...and i call schools around the country.... but what i'm starting to see are alot of schools are slowing moving away from microsoft and apple and going to open source...
By Realist
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flamesbball84 wrote:
Realist wrote:It's pretty hard to nail that question down without doing some big time research on it and most of it isn't accessible unless you want to pay some fees to gather it.
If you go to college your library should have access to tons of professional journals online and in print for free. If it doesn't provide them for free then your library is rather outdated!

What you are reading there is somewhat outdated as well. And it's very rare a professional journal tackles every aspect needed to understand a market. Don't get me wrong, I know nothing about the tech/computer/music market and don't pretend to know. I do have to understand a couple markets completely though, and professional journals aren't a source of information.
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By flamesbball84
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Realist wrote:
flamesbball84 wrote:
Realist wrote:It's pretty hard to nail that question down without doing some big time research on it and most of it isn't accessible unless you want to pay some fees to gather it.
If you go to college your library should have access to tons of professional journals online and in print for free. If it doesn't provide them for free then your library is rather outdated!

What you are reading there is somewhat outdated as well. And it's very rare a professional journal tackles every aspect needed to understand a market. Don't get me wrong, I know nothing about the tech/computer/music market and don't pretend to know. I do have to understand a couple markets completely though, and professional journals aren't a source of information.
how the heck are 2007 and 2008 articles that discuss apple outdated?
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