A Sea Of Red

ATrain wrote:

jmdickens wrote:

ATrain wrote:I don't have a problem with it (drinking) if:

1. You're at least 21 years of age (or old enough as stated by law wherever you are).

I have a problem with that logic....if it is legal for me to smoke pot in Canada, is it okay for me to smoke pot as long as I am in Canada???

Yes...as long as you're in Canada and aren't smoking or in possession of any while in the United States.
Oh yeah, the other rules I listed still apply (just adjust a few words accordingly).

This is not about Atrain's logic on alcohol, I was suprised no one else said anything about it. This is about drugs. What are everyone's feelings on drugs? Particularly pot..

I for one am no fan of pot, but I thought I would get everyone else's opinion

Pretty much as a group i would say NOTHING would suprise us about Atrain......that should sum it up.

I dunno, I don't have a significant problem with marijuana, especially for medicinal purposes...

i agree ed...not to sound like a hippy but i'd much rather have my kid come home smelling like reefer than beer...

see you in the woods by the traintracks...

I have got mixed emotions about this topic. First since it is illegal I am againist it. But since my sister had MS and if marijuna would help her with her disease I would be all for her using it, whether she got is legally or illegally. I say she had MS because she did but about say 10 years ago she had the church call a meeting with the elders and anoint her with oil and pray over her. Since they she had been cured, no symptons of MS. So those suffering from illness if marijuna will help them with their pain/sufferning I am all for them using pot.

I think most of us would agree that marijuana for medicinal purposes is different beast from recreational consumption. The latter makes up 99.99% of usage in America.

I think most of the same arguments from the alcohol discussion apply here in addition to the legality. Of course that opens a completely other discussion on legalization. But I have a feeling that most of us would be similarly aligned in that regard.

I am no hippie nor do I use marijuana but I just don't understand the logic of it being illegal. It is not really any more harmful that alcohol or cigarettes and it's effects on a person basically make them calmer. I've never seen an angry or agressive pothead. Since it is illegal, I don't necessarily agree with its use but if it has medical benefits I think it should be a no-brainer to legalize it for those purposes at least. I really think it will be legalized soon enough as soon as the government takes the position of taxing it heavily. I'm sure Phillip Morris and RJ Reynolds would love to corner that market as well. Take it out of the hands of illegal dealers. It's hard to see the logic of sending kids to jail for personal use of marijuana. Obviously prohibition doesn't work. Kids are still finding a way to get it easily. Just change the channels of distribution.

I'm sure Phillip Morris and RJ Reynolds would love to corner that market as well.

RJR has had the machines ready to make marijuana cigarettes since the 80's.

what a terrible investment.

It's illegal. Therefore it's wrong. End of story.

scuzdriver wrote:It's illegal. Therefore it's wrong. End of story.

True. But marijuana (which I've never smoked) is a court decision away from not being illegal. In that case, I really wouldn't have a problem if someone partook of it to ease nausea or glaucoma... Otherwise, I agree with you.

scuzdriver wrote:It's illegal. Therefore it's wrong. End of story.

That's a pretty simple way to look at things. Just because the government has deemed something to be wrong doesn't mean the discussion should end there. If that were the case, America never would have existed and a lot of us would be members of the Church of England. Authority should always be questioned in my opinion. I'm not saying that authority shouldn't be espected but unquestioned authority leads to mindless people who cannot and will not think for themselves.

WOW I didn't realize this was confession week.. First Sex, now drinking and I guess now we are coming clean about Michael Vick's bong water!!!!

givemethemic wrote:WOW I didn't realize this was confession week.. First Sex, now drinking and I guess now we are coming clean about Michael Vick's bong water!!!!

If you start confessing now GMTM we can all start reading Monday morning when you finally finish.

Rocketfan wrote:

givemethemic wrote:WOW I didn't realize this was confession week.. First Sex, now drinking and I guess now we are coming clean about Michael Vick's bong water!!!!

If you start confessing now GMTM we can all start reading Monday morning when you finally finish.

I'm sure flameshaw(?) will be very interested.

hahaha yea like I am going to post stuff here on the board about that stuff your crazy!!!! But it would be a good read for you on Monday!!! Plus Flameshaw doesn't want to read this kind of stuff while he and the Mrs. are in Mexico.

4everfsu wrote:I have got mixed emotions about this topic. First since it is illegal I am againist it. But since my sister had MS and if marijuna would help her with her disease I would be all for her using it, whether she got is legally or illegally. I say she had MS because she did but about say 10 years ago she had the church call a meeting with the elders and anoint her with oil and pray over her. Since they she had been cured, no symptons of MS. So those suffering from illness if marijuna will help them with their pain/sufferning I am all for them using pot.

She has a type of MS that is called relapsing remitting. I hope she is still seeing the doctor and keeping up to date with routine medical visits because if she was diagnosed with MS it doesn't just go away, it relapses, then after a period of time raises it's head again. I'm not saying this to sway your beliefs and faith, but just to inform you if you don't know. There are some wonderful therapies such as Interferon and Betaseron that can be used to keep the relapsing periods more frequent and prolonged. Just make sure that she is still seeing the doc.

Having worked with mentally ill, homeless people (of which 80% were druggies at one point or another), I would hate to see marijuana legalized. From the studies that came across my desk when I was a case manager for a social work agency, a teenager who smoked marijuana on a weekly basis, was 300% more likely to have a mental illness or disorder in their adult lives. Adults who smoked it were slightly lower, but still much more likely to develop significant mental issues. Also, something like 70-80% of all drug addicts, were introduced to harder drugs through marijuana (of course I can't imagine the number wouldn't be the same or higher for cigarettes).

Comparing them to legal drugs like alcohol or tobacco, probably isn't good either. From what I've heard, at least about tobacco, if tobacco would have been introduced in the past 30 years, the government would have outlawed it due to the problems it creates. I'm not sure we know what mental and physical problems long term marijuana use could produce. We are already paying for people who destroy their bodies on alcohol and cigarettes, do we really want to add marijuana to the list? If the studies I read were accurate, we would be paying a lot more than the tax money generated from the product.

As for medical marijuana, It doesn't bother me. If it can help someone who is really suffering, than I'm not sure why I would be against it. I'll have to research it a little more.

legalize drugs, and no I have never used them. as long as it's not hurting someone else, I could give a crap less if someone is doing ecstasy, pot, or wahtever other drug they want to take. if it's hurting themselves then they are stupid to be taking it in the first place, but I look at the positive aspect of it: survival of the fittest my friends. legalizing drugs would also help crack down on crime, which means less people in the overcrowding jails. and since people would be able to legally obtain them, I imagine the government would have some sort of agency controlling it (like ABC for alcohol for example), and thus the drugs would be safer. lord knows what the heck is in the stuff you get off the street these days...

Because nobody ever comitted a crime to get drugs other than the crime of obtaining them.

flamesbball84 wrote:legalize drugs, and no I have never used them. as long as it's not hurting someone else, I could give a crap less if someone is doing ecstasy, pot, or wahtever other drug they want to take. if it's hurting themselves then they are stupid to be taking it in the first place, but I look at the positive aspect of it: survival of the fittest my friends. legalizing drugs would also help crack down on crime, which means less people in the overcrowding jails. and since people would be able to legally obtain them, I imagine the government would have some sort of agency controlling it (like ABC for alcohol for example), and thus the drugs would be safer. lord knows what the heck is in the stuff you get off the street these days...

Drug use ALWAYS affects someone else. Go to a methadone clinic at 7 a.m. and watch the long line of zombies outside. When drug addicts burn themselves up and are useless, who is going to pay for them? I had 100's of clients, and about 75% of them had mental illness that was either created by drug use or seriously enhanced due to drug use. Most my clients were getting disability checks from the government, due to the mental illness (checks ranged from $600-$1,800 a month). Also, when people can't work because of their addiction, how are they going to support their habit? Another really sad part is that most of my clients had children (fortunately most lived with grandparents or in foster care).

If you want a generation of people like you see on these celebrity reality shows (the newest rehab one is pretty interesting), allow people to use narcotics at will. I can guarantee it will affect everyone around them.

Thanks for the concern, but my sister has not been back to see a Dr since she was healed. And like I said it has been over 10 yrs. I guess that is because of her faith and the fact she has had no relapse she has not been back. Am I saying that she could have a relapse, I guess so. Does she believe she has been healed, yes she does. And she does not mind telling people that. So needless to say if she is going to err, she will err on the side of God.