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How many starting pitchers are in the baseball hall of fame, who were born after Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier?

Zero

You could argue one, although it would be debatable. Dennis Eckersley was born after Jackie broke the color barrier and spent the first half of his career as a starter, although most would agree that it was his relief pitching that got him into the hall. He is only one that comes close though.

Wow...
...that is a GREAT trivia question. The closest would be Seaver and Palmer...but they were born in 44 and 45.

I cheated

jcmanson wrote:Zero

Bingo. I read it in a column by Jim Caple on ESPN.

Eckersley would be the exception, but he really was known as a reliever. Yeah, he was good -- somewhere between Bret Saberhagen & Greg Maddux as a starter -- but unparalleled as a reliever.

Ed Dantes wrote:

jcmanson wrote:Zero

I read it in a column by Jim Caple on ESPN.

So did I

It's ridiculous, really. Nolan Ryan was born in January 1947, and he's the YOUNGEST STARTER in the Hall of Fame. I can't believe that. I understand the arguments of people who say that Bert Blyleven and Jack Morris shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame because they can't stack up to guys who played in the Dead-Ball era.

But when I saw that ZERO starting pitchers are in the Hall of Fame born after 1947 -- and you consider that those two are the best of the era since then -- you gotta let them in.

Great thread Ed.

I looked up some players from 1947-62 (basically that's a generation of pitchers)

There are some players who crossover who were born 62-66 who played with some of those pitchers who will be in the hall of fame.

62-68 Soon to be Hall of Famers: Glavine, Maddux, Clemens, Randy Johnson. Mike Mussina is borderline.

Best pitchers from 1947-1961: Blyleven, Morris, Dennis Martinez, Vida Blue, Orel Hershiser, Ron Guidry, Dave Stewart.

Wins:

Blyleven---287----consistent
Morris---254---Clutch
Stewart----168----Clutch Perfomer with 5 or six 20 win seasons
Hershiser--204---Classic Clutch performer
Martinez----245---100 wins in both leagues
Blue---209----Dominant Pitcher
Guidry----170----Great Winning Pct

Who do I think belongs in the Hall.

Well, definitely Blyleven and Vida Blue. Probably Jack Morris, Orel Hershiser and possibly Dennis Martinez. Guidry and Stewart did some great things but I think they come up just short.

Ed Dantes wrote:It's ridiculous, really. Nolan Ryan was born in January 1947, and he's the YOUNGEST STARTER in the Hall of Fame. I can't believe that. I understand the arguments of people who say that Bert Blyleven and Jack Morris shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame because they can't stack up to guys who played in the Dead-Ball era.

But when I saw that ZERO starting pitchers are in the Hall of Fame born after 1947 -- and you consider that those two are the best of the era since then -- you gotta let them in.

The dead ball era was the early 1900's. There are a lot starting pitchers in the Hall after that. Also keep in mind, the War took numbers away from pitchers in the 40's, such as Bob Feller who didn't get 300 wins.

The best pitchers born from 1947-1961---there numbers still somewhat pale in comparison to the pitchers of the 30's-60's. It could be argued that the mid-60's to early 70's were somewhat similar to the deadball era because the pitchers mound was higher. 1968 saw many pitching records fall. The ball wasn't dead though.

One thing that may have led to so few great pitchers in this era it was the overuse of starters. Many pitchers in the 70's probably burned out their arms throwing 300 plus innings.

kel varson wrote:

Ed Dantes wrote:It's ridiculous, really. Nolan Ryan was born in January 1947, and he's the YOUNGEST STARTER in the Hall of Fame. I can't believe that. I understand the arguments of people who say that Bert Blyleven and Jack Morris shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame because they can't stack up to guys who played in the Dead-Ball era.

But when I saw that ZERO starting pitchers are in the Hall of Fame born after 1947 -- and you consider that those two are the best of the era since then -- you gotta let them in.

The dead ball era was the early 1900's. There are a lot starting pitchers in the Hall after that. Also keep in mind, the War took numbers away from pitchers in the 40's, such as Bob Feller who didn't get 300 wins.

The best pitchers born from 1947-1961---there numbers still somewhat pale in comparison to the pitchers of the 30's-60's. It could be argued that the mid-60's to early 70's were somewhat similar to the deadball era because the pitchers mound was higher. 1968 saw many pitching records fall. The ball wasn't dead though.

One thing that may have led to so few great pitchers in this era it was the overuse of starters. Many pitchers in the 70's probably burned out their arms throwing 300 plus innings.

I know about the dead ball era being in the 1900s... I was referring to the 1960s when Bob Gibson had a 1.12 ERA and some gu leads the league in batting average while hitting .298 -- and before the "slider" was invented and they lowered the mound. But still, there are pitchers who threw in the 1970s and 1980s and 1990s who have stats that are unheard of these days...

Blyleven threw nearly 242 complete games, Morris had 175 -- when compare that to Tom Glavine who has only like 56.

Actually, Yaz of the BoSox led the AL with a .301 average in 68. That precipitated the lowering of the mound to its current 10".

Fumblerooskies wrote:Actually, Yaz of the BoSox led the AL with a .301 average in 68. That precipitated the lowering of the mound to its current 10".

Ok... I was off by 3 points (sorry) but my point is the same...