A Sea Of Red

I think it was Giuliani or Huckabee myself. Huckabee had the line of the night saying, "congress spends money like John Edwards in a beauty shop."

My favs are still Huckabee, Tancredo and Brownback.

Ron Paul really did a favor for Giuliani last night by saying the US involvment in the middle east brought on 9/11. Basically implying our foreign policy was responsible for 9/11, not the mere fact that we're dealing with terrorists.

Anyone on this site take Stephen Putney for History at LU. He thinks the same way as Ron Paul.

the applause makes it seem moron guliani won it but i'm a big ron paul fan now because of what he said....hes absolutly correct. but, How dare Ron Paul suggest that America isn't a completely blameless nation when it comes to 'reasons why terrorists hate America'? Hasn't anyone told him that America does no wrong?

Ron Paul was saying that our actions in the Middle East (not only Iraq) and Muslim nations has been the underlying reason these extremist kooks hate the USA. If you look at what Bin Laden himself said after the attacks, it pretty well backs Paul's story. They didn't do it because they "hate our freedom" as Bush said.

ron paul also had a bunch of questions that he felt needed answered before we decided to invade iraq or not...

RubberMallet wrote:the applause makes it seem moron guliani won it but i'm a big ron paul fan now because of what he said....hes absolutly correct. but, How dare Ron Paul suggest that America isn't a completely blameless nation when it comes to 'reasons why terrorists hate America'? Hasn't anyone told him that America does no wrong?

Ron Paul was saying that our actions in the Middle East (not only Iraq) and Muslim nations has been the underlying reason these extremist kooks hate the USA. If you look at what Bin Laden himself said after the attacks, it pretty well backs Paul's story. They didn't do it because they "hate our freedom" as Bush said.

There are a lot of reason Bin Laden and Al Qaeda attacked us and only one reason is our foreign policy. Paul is an isolationist, so he used that argument to promote his idealogy.

Al Qaeda hates us for a multitude of reasons I think they would have attacked us regardless of our foreign policy.


This quote (below) from Paul, is what really bugs me. How can you reason with the devil? Do I need to go through a laundry list of the actions that Al Qaeda has perpetrated on the world? Beheadings, suicide bombings etc... These people (Al Qaeda and the terrorists are insane. We don't need to try to understand them. Romans calls these types "Brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed."

"I’m suggesting that we listen to the people who attacked us and the reason they did it,” Paul said.

In a sense, Paul did win. Here's what the national review had to say: So in the end, the candidate who made a big move, who came out of nowhere to win new name recognition was…Ron Paul. But it’s probably not the sort of name recognition Republican presidential candidates want. “Wow,” said one adviser to a rival campaign after listening to Paul’s blame-America lecture. “I haven’t heard anything like that this side of Rosie O’Donnell.”

All Paul did last night was convince me not to vote for him. I think Guliani won just by virtue of Paul running his mouth.

kel varson wrote:

RubberMallet wrote:the applause makes it seem moron guliani won it but i'm a big ron paul fan now because of what he said....hes absolutly correct. but, How dare Ron Paul suggest that America isn't a completely blameless nation when it comes to 'reasons why terrorists hate America'? Hasn't anyone told him that America does no wrong?

Ron Paul was saying that our actions in the Middle East (not only Iraq) and Muslim nations has been the underlying reason these extremist kooks hate the USA. If you look at what Bin Laden himself said after the attacks, it pretty well backs Paul's story. They didn't do it because they "hate our freedom" as Bush said.

There are a lot of reason Bin Laden and Al Qaeda attacked us and only one reason is our foreign policy. Paul is an isolationist, so he used that argument to promote his idealogy.

Al Qaeda hates us for a multitude of reasons I think they would have attacked us regardless of our foreign policy.


This quote (below) from Paul, is what really bugs me. How can you reason with the devil? Do I need to go through a laundry list of the actions that Al Qaeda has perpetrated on the world? Beheadings, suicide bombings etc... These people (Al Qaeda and the terrorists are insane. We don't need to try to understand them. Romans calls these types "Brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed."

"I’m suggesting that we listen to the people who attacked us and the reason they did it,” Paul said.

In a sense, Paul did win. Here's what the national review had to say: So in the end, the candidate who made a big move, who came out of nowhere to win new name recognition was…Ron Paul. But it’s probably not the sort of name recognition Republican presidential candidates want. “Wow,” said one adviser to a rival campaign after listening to Paul’s blame-America lecture. “I haven’t heard anything like that this side of Rosie O’Donnell.”

i don't think he's saying listen to them and do their bidding....listen to why they are doing the things they are doing...instead of thinking we are flawless and can do no wrong and pulling "they hate freedom" out of are rears and claiming that to be a reason, realize these people hate us for other reasons...

I thought everybody came off as very unimpressive. They all seemed to blend together. One dude brought up the Fair Tax. That was nice. But all of these "commitments" are just ideas that will never happen. I think I'll throw my vote away on a 3rd party this election.

everything i've seen of this guy i've somewhat enjoyed...he sticks to his guns...no flip flop and i agree with alot of what he has to say....he seems to be a bit wierd sure but look at our past presidents, who isn't.....anything is better than the morons the democrats have offered in the past few elections and the yokle thats in office now...a little crazy may be a breath of fresh air.

RubberMallet wrote:

kel varson wrote:

RubberMallet wrote:the applause makes it seem moron guliani won it but i'm a big ron paul fan now because of what he said....hes absolutly correct. but, How dare Ron Paul suggest that America isn't a completely blameless nation when it comes to 'reasons why terrorists hate America'? Hasn't anyone told him that America does no wrong?

Ron Paul was saying that our actions in the Middle East (not only Iraq) and Muslim nations has been the underlying reason these extremist kooks hate the USA. If you look at what Bin Laden himself said after the attacks, it pretty well backs Paul's story. They didn't do it because they "hate our freedom" as Bush said.

There are a lot of reason Bin Laden and Al Qaeda attacked us and only one reason is our foreign policy. Paul is an isolationist, so he used that argument to promote his idealogy.

Al Qaeda hates us for a multitude of reasons I think they would have attacked us regardless of our foreign policy.


This quote (below) from Paul, is what really bugs me. How can you reason with the devil? Do I need to go through a laundry list of the actions that Al Qaeda has perpetrated on the world? Beheadings, suicide bombings etc... These people (Al Qaeda and the terrorists are insane. We don't need to try to understand them. Romans calls these types "Brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed."

"I’m suggesting that we listen to the people who attacked us and the reason they did it,” Paul said.

In a sense, Paul did win. Here's what the national review had to say: So in the end, the candidate who made a big move, who came out of nowhere to win new name recognition was…Ron Paul. But it’s probably not the sort of name recognition Republican presidential candidates want. “Wow,” said one adviser to a rival campaign after listening to Paul’s blame-America lecture. “I haven’t heard anything like that this side of Rosie O’Donnell.”

i don't think he's saying listen to them and do their bidding....listen to why they are doing the things they are doing...instead of thinking we are flawless and can do no wrong and pulling "they hate freedom" out of are rears and claiming that to be a reason, realize these people hate us for other reasons...

What's done is done. They already hate us. We need to not bend over and take it though. Oh, our soldiers are being held hostage? Well how about we find out who has them and kidnap their family. This is what the Russians do, and they don't get messed with too often becuase we're the easier target. We've got folks, like you apparently, who wonder what we did to them and try to make it better. That's not much of an incentive to not pick on us.

LUconn wrote:

RubberMallet wrote:

kel varson wrote: There are a lot of reason Bin Laden and Al Qaeda attacked us and only one reason is our foreign policy. Paul is an isolationist, so he used that argument to promote his idealogy.

Al Qaeda hates us for a multitude of reasons I think they would have attacked us regardless of our foreign policy.


This quote (below) from Paul, is what really bugs me. How can you reason with the devil? Do I need to go through a laundry list of the actions that Al Qaeda has perpetrated on the world? Beheadings, suicide bombings etc... These people (Al Qaeda and the terrorists are insane. We don't need to try to understand them. Romans calls these types "Brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed."

"I’m suggesting that we listen to the people who attacked us and the reason they did it,” Paul said.

In a sense, Paul did win. Here's what the national review had to say: So in the end, the candidate who made a big move, who came out of nowhere to win new name recognition was…Ron Paul. But it’s probably not the sort of name recognition Republican presidential candidates want. “Wow,” said one adviser to a rival campaign after listening to Paul’s blame-America lecture. “I haven’t heard anything like that this side of Rosie O’Donnell.”

i don't think he's saying listen to them and do their bidding....listen to why they are doing the things they are doing...instead of thinking we are flawless and can do no wrong and pulling "they hate freedom" out of are rears and claiming that to be a reason, realize these people hate us for other reasons...

We've got folks, like you apparently, who wonder what we did to them and try to make it better.

thats not at all what i'm saying...or what ron paul is saying...

Kel,

As someone who works in the mental health field and has a number of close friends who at various times in their lives have been literally insane, I would say that describing the Al Queda crowd with that term is an insult to insane people everywhere. They are EVIL.

oh, well then nevermind. I honesly didn't hear what Ron Paul said last night. I was just going by what it seemed like you were saying.

kel varson wrote: (Al Qaeda and the terrorists are insane. We don't need to try to understand them.

are you serious?...understanding them is the key to defeating them....clinically insane people are studied and remedied based upon studies....they aren't just locked away and forgot about..

RubberMallet wrote:...a little crazy may be a breath of fresh air.

Hey, I've got an idea! Let's give the Button to the guy that's "a little crazy"! That ought to be fun for six whole minutes! Yeehaa!

LUconn wrote:oh, well then nevermind. I honesly didn't hear what Ron Paul said last night. I was just going by what it seemed like you were saying.

all he said was that our intervention in middleeastern countries is whats caused them to hate us. this is pretty much also what the 9/11 commission report concluded as well....i don't think he was trying to justify terrorist activity, he was just stating what they use as an excuse.

the only reason juliani spoke up was because he was trying to get the focus off his pro-choice stance...

Libertine wrote:

RubberMallet wrote:...a little crazy may be a breath of fresh air.

Hey, I've got an idea! Let's give the Button to the guy that's "a little crazy"! That ought to be fun for six whole minutes! Yeehaa!

i'll take a little crazy over stupid any day of the week

olldflame wrote:Kel,

As someone who works in the mental health field and has a number of close friends who at various times in their lives have been literally insane, I would say that describing the Al Queda crowd with that term is an insult to insane people everywhere. They are EVIL.

You know there is a fine line between insanity and evil. Have you ever worked with Al Qaeda?

Why do think they have such a hard time prosecuting mass murderers. i.e. insanity defense.

If they are not insane by definition they certainly are by their actions.

i thought huckabee won. i don't think he will win the election, but i will probably vote for him because he believes closest to what i believe

RubberMallet wrote:

kel varson wrote: (Al Qaeda and the terrorists are insane. We don't need to try to understand them.

are you serious?...understanding them is the key to defeating them....clinically insane people are studied and remedied based upon studies....they aren't just locked away and forgot about..

I don't have a problem with learning about the terrorists and trying to understand them. But what Paul wants sounds more like capitulation.

JDUB wrote:i thought huckabee won. i don't think he will win the election, but i will probably vote for him because he believes closest to what i believe

I agree, I don't think he even has much chance of winning the nomination. It ticks me off that the media, and even fox news, are so obsessed with the big 3 (McCain, Romney and Giuliani).

I still think Giuliani has the best chance of beating Mrs. Clinton, but I would prefer McCain of those three. I would never, ever vote for a mormon--might as well vote for the devil.

I only caught part of the debate ... I wasn't in much of a mood for politics yesterday.

But I have to admit I would be hardpressed to put together a bigger bunch of boring blowhards with no focus. It was truly depressing. Hopefully somebody will step up and surprise us all but that debate didn't do much for me.

As for Paul, I've said it before but he has similar opinions on many things to me. But the dude just isn't quite right, if you know what I mean. I'd feel very uneasy with him in the Oval Office. But that's just me.

skipped the whole thing- glued to Jerry coverage on CNN of all places

I was nowhere near a TV for that one...

RubberMallet wrote:

Libertine wrote:

RubberMallet wrote:...a little crazy may be a breath of fresh air.

Hey, I've got an idea! Let's give the Button to the guy that's "a little crazy"! That ought to be fun for six whole minutes! Yeehaa!

i'll take a little crazy over stupid any day of the week

Thanks, Al. Franken, that is.

i thought huckabee did very well in the debate. i was very impressed with all of his answers.

the john edwards remark cracked me up. it didn't even process at first that he actually said that!

huckabee's got my vote.