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By paradox
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Another thing to consider when we want to weigh in on other people's personal disputes...what would you do?

Do you publicly denounce and potentially misrepresent people that you consider friends? We should at least be open to the possibility that these people may potentially be opportunists first and friends a distant second. Especially, since they oppose each other on the political spectrum. True friends keep disputes private. Are we honestly expected to believe that KSP and RD did that? Doesn't appear that way.
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By Just John
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TH Spangler wrote: January 1st, 2022, 7:57 am
Just John wrote: January 1st, 2022, 3:07 am
TH Spangler wrote: December 31st, 2021, 4:15 pm

Eric Metaxas was the interesting part. You should watch TC Today. It's not about Tucker.
Metaxas is an embarrassment to his former self.
Why do you feel that way?
I have made several posts in the past but just a couple I'll mention again. He got caught up in promoting "prophets" that said Trump would be returned to office in 2021. News flash: Today begins 2022. He got so caught up in the Trump worship he punches a guy riding a bike who was harassing people leaving a WH Christmas party and then Eric runs away.

It's almost as if he had a brain transplant in the last several years.
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By Just John
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paradox wrote: January 1st, 2022, 12:22 pm Another thing to consider when we want to weigh in on other people's personal disputes...what would you do?

Do you publicly denounce and potentially misrepresent people that you consider friends? We should at least be open to the possibility that these people may potentially be opportunists first and friends a distant second. Especially, since they oppose each other on the political spectrum. True friends keep disputes private. Are we honestly expected to believe that KSP and RD did that? Doesn't appear that way.
You have defend Metaxas several times. In this case Dreher isn't talking about a personal, private dispute. No, he is discussing what he believes is a dangerous error in the public arena by someone he says good things about as a person. This is what Dreher does for a living. That he does it of someone he considers a friend only bolsters his point of concern...and how far Eric has gone. When Paul encountered error in the NT church or in fellow workers in the church he wrote books in the Bible about it. This isn't of the same magnitude of course but it's a good example that sometimes things need to be said publicly.
By paradox
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Just John wrote: January 1st, 2022, 2:26 pm
TH Spangler wrote: January 1st, 2022, 7:57 am
Just John wrote: January 1st, 2022, 3:07 am Metaxas is an embarrassment to his former self.
Why do you feel that way?
I have made several posts in the past but just a couple I'll mention again. He got caught up in promoting "prophets" that said Trump would be returned to office in 2021. News flash: Today begins 2022. He got so caught up in the Trump worship he punches a guy riding a bike who was harassing people leaving a WH Christmas party and then Eric runs away.

It's almost as if he had a brain transplant in the last several years.
Anybody can read what they dislike in strict black and white terms. Oversimplification and reductionism doesn't prove anything, but some people get sucked in nonetheless, otherwise these devices would cease to exist.
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By paradox
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Just John wrote: January 1st, 2022, 2:40 pm
paradox wrote: January 1st, 2022, 12:22 pm Another thing to consider when we want to weigh in on other people's personal disputes...what would you do?

Do you publicly denounce and potentially misrepresent people that you consider friends? We should at least be open to the possibility that these people may potentially be opportunists first and friends a distant second. Especially, since they oppose each other on the political spectrum. True friends keep disputes private. Are we honestly expected to believe that KSP and RD did that? Doesn't appear that way.
You have defend Metaxas several times. In this case Dreher isn't talking about a personal, private dispute. No, he is discussing what he believes is a dangerous error in the public arena by someone he says good things about as a person. This is what Dreher does for a living. That he does it of someone he considers a friend only bolsters his point of concern...and how far Eric has gone. When Paul encountered error in the NT church or in fellow workers in the church he wrote books in the Bible about it. This isn't of the same magnitude of course but it's a good example that sometimes things need to be said publicly.
That's a nice rationalization. But, it also evades the question on how friends should treat one another. And whether or not you would actually treat your own friends that way. Would you?

You could pull this Apostle analogy to justify any faulty behavior by this pretext. Let's be careful to not take ourselves so seriously.
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By Just John
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paradox wrote: January 1st, 2022, 5:40 pm
Just John wrote: January 1st, 2022, 2:40 pm
paradox wrote: January 1st, 2022, 12:22 pm Another thing to consider when we want to weigh in on other people's personal disputes...what would you do?

Do you publicly denounce and potentially misrepresent people that you consider friends? We should at least be open to the possibility that these people may potentially be opportunists first and friends a distant second. Especially, since they oppose each other on the political spectrum. True friends keep disputes private. Are we honestly expected to believe that KSP and RD did that? Doesn't appear that way.
You have defend Metaxas several times. In this case Dreher isn't talking about a personal, private dispute. No, he is discussing what he believes is a dangerous error in the public arena by someone he says good things about as a person. This is what Dreher does for a living. That he does it of someone he considers a friend only bolsters his point of concern...and how far Eric has gone. When Paul encountered error in the NT church or in fellow workers in the church he wrote books in the Bible about it. This isn't of the same magnitude of course but it's a good example that sometimes things need to be said publicly.
That's a nice rationalization. But, it also evades the question on how friends should treat one another. And whether or not you would actually treat your own friends that way. Would you?

You could pull this Apostle analogy to justify any faulty behavior by this pretext. Let's be careful to not take ourselves so seriously.
Some platforms come with responsibility.

Neither of us know if there was any attempt to discuss privately (although I would guess there was) but IMO it doesn't matter. This isn't about friendship. Both of these guys have public platforms as they debate truth, democracy, religion with others in the public square and it's not like Metaxas has done a one-off that Dreher is blowing him up on.

To use a hugely historical understatement, Jefferson and Adams, though friends, were prone to disagreement from time to time. Doing so, they affected political opinion. That's what these guys try to do today and that people are discussing it shows there is some effect.

“Because power corrupts, society’s demands for moral authority and character increase as the importance of the position increases.” – John Adams
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By TH Spangler
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Just John wrote: January 1st, 2022, 2:26 pm He got caught up in promoting "prophets" that said Trump would be returned to office in 2021. News flash: Today begins 2022.
Couple of thoughts. No one comes to power unless God allows them too (its His story playing out).

Eric needs to understand that. Even if big tech ... the Googles, Twitters, Facebooks and MSM suppressed speech and free press. Even if foreign money, viruses from China or vote count tinkering played a roll. God allowed it. It will be interesting to see who's in God's timeline in 2024. Hopefully the rapture takes place before then and it won't matter to me. :lol:

Back to my original topic FoxNation, I love it. Shannon Bream, Laura Logan, Brian, the History content, Cops etc. Fox News and Fox Business (Maria Bartiromo) have acually gotten better over the past year. Fox is allowing Christians to openly and regularly mention their faith. Unfortunately I'm not sure how long it will continue. Based on Bible prophecy we are headed for a one world governing body, a one world currency and a one world false religion and the antichrist.
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By jbock13
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aaaaaaaand that's why I stopped engaging in political conversations here.

Some people will be very surprised when they find out that the orange man isn't the Christ from the Bible.
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By Purple Haize
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jbock13 wrote: January 2nd, 2022, 8:34 am aaaaaaaand that's why I stopped engaging in political conversations here.

Some people will be very surprised when they find out that the orange man isn't the Christ from the Bible.
Wait. What?!?
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By Just John
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paradox wrote: January 2nd, 2022, 1:56 am Dude....you're trippin'
aka "I won't address your point of view, I'll just criticize you".

:D
By paradox
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LU 57 wrote: December 31st, 2021, 2:32 pm
stokesjokes wrote: December 31st, 2021, 12:57 pm
And btw, fox news’ own people have been speaking out against TC’s January 6th coverage, two of them even resigned over it. They know it’s irresponsible propaganda, but it gets ad revenue.
I used to be a Jonah Goldberg fan. Listened to his podcast, read his articles, read his books. I was even a fellow “never-Trumper” during the 2016 election (voted for Evan McMullin…ugh). I was really annoyed when Ben Shapiro sort of recanted his anti-Trumpism, but then something happened.

It was a process, but ultimately it was the dishonesty around the Russia investigation and how much the MSNBC, NYT, WAPO ignored stories that did not fit the narrative. And then the utter joke the Mueller report with all of the fanfare was.

I just could no longer ignore the damage the mainstream media (longtime WSJ subscriber, even having subscriptions to the NYT and WAPO over the years) was willing to inflict on us just out of their spite for Trump.

Long way of saying it, but the fact that Jonah Goldberg and Steve Hayes decided to defect means nothing to me.

Fox News has plenty of fleas, but at least they are not openly hostile to Christianity and the USA in general. I feel a genuine optimism among their hosts as opposed to the open hate and bitterness I see on CNN, MSNBC, etc. Not to mention the embrace of every sinful lifestyle under the sun under the guise of “inclusion”.
Trump really caught everyone by surprise, especially Jeb & Hillary. Few if any really saw it coming. One guy who really seemed to understand what was going on was former Carter strategist and Fox political analyst, Pat Caddell. We dismissed Trump as a dirty casino lounge act. But Caddell accurately called the insurgency. This was a blue-collar phenomenon. A revolt against the elites.

Many remain very conflicted over this. Point the finger at perceived extremes, and then try to make their point by going to even greater extremes.
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By TH Spangler
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paradox wrote: January 5th, 2022, 10:22 am
LU 57 wrote: December 31st, 2021, 2:32 pm
stokesjokes wrote: December 31st, 2021, 12:57 pm
And btw, fox news’ own people have been speaking out against TC’s January 6th coverage, two of them even resigned over it. They know it’s irresponsible propaganda, but it gets ad revenue.
I used to be a Jonah Goldberg fan. Listened to his podcast, read his articles, read his books. I was even a fellow “never-Trumper” during the 2016 election (voted for Evan McMullin…ugh). I was really annoyed when Ben Shapiro sort of recanted his anti-Trumpism, but then something happened.

It was a process, but ultimately it was the dishonesty around the Russia investigation and how much the MSNBC, NYT, WAPO ignored stories that did not fit the narrative. And then the utter joke the Mueller report with all of the fanfare was.

I just could no longer ignore the damage the mainstream media (longtime WSJ subscriber, even having subscriptions to the NYT and WAPO over the years) was willing to inflict on us just out of their spite for Trump.

Long way of saying it, but the fact that Jonah Goldberg and Steve Hayes decided to defect means nothing to me.

Fox News has plenty of fleas, but at least they are not openly hostile to Christianity and the USA in general. I feel a genuine optimism among their hosts as opposed to the open hate and bitterness I see on CNN, MSNBC, etc. Not to mention the embrace of every sinful lifestyle under the sun under the guise of “inclusion”.
Trump really caught everyone by surprise, especially Jeb & Hillary. Few if any really saw it coming. One guy who really seemed to understand what was going on was former Carter strategist and Fox political analyst, Pat Caddell. We dismissed Trump as a dirty casino lounge act. But Caddell accurately called the insurgency. This was a blue-collar phenomenon. A revolt against the elites.

Many remain very conflicted over this. Point the finger at perceived extremes, and then try to make their point by going to even greater extremes.
In TC Today's interview with Nigel Farage, which is another great interview by the way, he explains the movement that sent Trump to the White House.

Tucker should line up an interview with Clinton, so she can explain how it was Russian collusion that sent him there. I have a feeling Durham is about to completely debunk that one though. :dontgetit
By Chippy
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stokesjokes wrote: January 6th, 2022, 4:29 pm More on why you shouldn’t trust TC (gotta read the whole thread):

This is why you shouldn't trust Jon Ward:

Thread


Jon Ward
@jonward11

When I checked the video, I realized I had left out some key words, which changed the tenor of what he'd said. I told Tucker, and again, we had not published the story yet, and I added that language to the story before anyone ever saw it.

Key words??? How convenient and why only those words were left out?

Similar to the UCLA professor who claimed in her new book that Kyle Rittenhouse killed 2 black men with and AR-15. The guys were white and she claimed that it was a "minor detail" that he's still a "misogynist and white supremacist" (sorta like Tucker).

Liberals always minimize their manipulation of the truth for political narratives.
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By stokesjokes
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We can’t know whether the initial version was an intentional mislead or not, but the facts are that he reached out to Tucker, clarified via re-watching the video, and edited to include the full quote before the story was published.

The difference between Ward and Tucker here is that when Ward had an error (or manipulation if you prefer) pointed out to him, he fixed it. Ward presented an article with clear, factual examples of TC’s manipulation of the truth, yet he doubles down and attacks the messenger.

If you’re really worried about manipulation of the truth, you should worry about TC too.
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By SumItUp
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In a few months, the J6 version being pushed by the commission and corporate media will fall apart.
By stokesjokes
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The more I think about it, the idea that Ward was intentionally misquoting Tucker initially doesn’t make any sense, and here’s why:

He asked Tucker directly about this quote. If was purposely misquoting TC, why on earth would he text him about it?
By paradox
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It's called politics.

One guy is in the business of liberal flavored content, and the other guy is of the conservative variety.

Surprised?
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By thepostman
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I'd argue that both are being disingenuous here in order to move forward their own personal agenda. I don't know a ton about Ward to have a strong enough feelings about but Tucker has lied about things I personally know were false. Regardless this is just a weird flex by Ward and an even more bizarre response by Tucker.

Part of the game I guess and it is gross.
By Chippy
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stokesjokes wrote: January 6th, 2022, 6:14 pm The more I think about it, the idea that Ward was intentionally misquoting Tucker initially doesn’t make any sense, and here’s why:

He asked Tucker directly about this quote. If was purposely misquoting TC, why on earth would he text him about it?
You make good points but the problem is he wasn't misquoting, he was omitting the most crucial part of TC's message. Why? How do you include verbatim everything TC says and omit that one point? Neither of us will never know for sure. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

It seems what we have in common is that we both watch TC. Of course we're only 2 of the millions that watch THE most viewed cable news show :)

Have a good night!
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