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Yacht Rock wrote: ↑January 7th, 2022, 10:21 am I don't even know who you're talking about. I'm a registered R and have voted pretty conservative most my life. The last five years have pushed me more to the center, but I don't commit to any one media outlet or personality. They all have an agenda and will spin the truth to fit their narrative. I read news but haven't watched news (entertainment) for years. The only news I listen to is in my car on the way to work and that's financial news from multiple sources, which typically skews conservative economically and socially middle of the road.I don’t have a dog in this fight, but this line caught my eye.
I'm just sharing my anecdotal story from the Christmas holiday, which was spent in a location much more conservative than where I live, about how some people felt. I know several Republican conservatives who A. Didn't vote for Trump and are embarassed by what happened on January 6th and B. Did vote for Trump and are embarassed by what happened on January 6th.
I'm just saying from my experience, from someone who doesn't watch the MSNBCs or Fox News of the world, it doesn't seem as partisan as either side (media or politicians) wants to make it out to be.
stokesjokes wrote: ↑January 7th, 2022, 11:34 amEstablishment, globalist and wealthy from over seeing the offshoring our manufacturing.
A good example would be the Jan 6 discussion. Look at who are making stark statements about the seriousness of it: Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, George W Bush, Mitt Romney, etc. These were the former Republican standard-bearers, they haven’t suddenly joined up with the left. The whole of the party has shifted both towards the right and towards authoritarianism.
JK37 wrote:It's a mix of both. There are definite things I know I've changed my views on over the last several years. A lot has to do with a really solid Sunday school class at TRBC taught by some really great Liberty professors and leaders in the school of religion. I know that our adoption process changed my view of a lot of what goes on in the world. That combined with the push further right by some, probably makes me feel like I moved more than I did. But you are 100% right to put that out. I definitely feel further from the Right than I would have 10 years ago because of where the Right has gone on certain issues. That being said, I know there are people on the left who would look at me as a hard right wing person because of some of my views.Yacht Rock wrote: ↑January 7th, 2022, 10:21 am I don't even know who you're talking about. I'm a registered R and have voted pretty conservative most my life. The last five years have pushed me more to the center, but I don't commit to any one media outlet or personality. They all have an agenda and will spin the truth to fit their narrative. I read news but haven't watched news (entertainment) for years. The only news I listen to is in my car on the way to work and that's financial news from multiple sources, which typically skews conservative economically and socially middle of the road.I don’t have a dog in this fight, but this line caught my eye.
I'm just sharing my anecdotal story from the Christmas holiday, which was spent in a location much more conservative than where I live, about how some people felt. I know several Republican conservatives who A. Didn't vote for Trump and are embarassed by what happened on January 6th and B. Did vote for Trump and are embarassed by what happened on January 6th.
I'm just saying from my experience, from someone who doesn't watch the MSNBCs or Fox News of the world, it doesn't seem as partisan as either side (media or politicians) wants to make it out to be.
Do you think you’ve moved, or has the spectrum around you moved? As right has pushed further right, has your previously-held conservative position stayed the same, and just now looks more middle?
Genuinely curious. As society evolves over time, it always drifts left little by little. Hence the term “progressive”. If the left drifts too far left or screws up, there’s usually a brief jerk by the right (Carter > Reagan). If the right jerks too hard (Trump), the left will pull back (Biden). It’s like neither side learns from the mistakes of the other, because now we’re seeing the far left jerk too hard. And now Dems are going to get crushed in midterms.
When attaining and maintaining power takes precedence over morality, ideas and ideals, society breaks down. It feels like that’s where we are.
Yacht Rock wrote: ↑January 7th, 2022, 9:29 am Every middle of the road person I know are disgusted by what happened on Jan 6th and look forward to further investigation.You need to get out of your conservative-leaning-Jan6-disgusted-me-bubble! Did I do that right?
I know that’s anecdotal, but it’s not as partisan as you would believe. It’s partisan in congress, but not among the population. I know a lot of Republicans who look feel it was a disgrace and everyone involved should face consequences. It was nearly unanimous during discussions over Christmas. And these are folks who watch Tucker Carlson everyday, lol.
stokesjokes wrote: ↑January 7th, 2022, 1:34 pm Well, it only wasn’t a catastrophe because the things they wanted didn’t end up happening. We were one Mike Pence-Dan Quayle phone call away from an actual catastrophe.What is the Pence-Quayle link?
For me, I’m less concerned about the rabble of “true believers” who were whipped up into a frenzy enough to enter the capitol and more concerned with the people who knowingly deceived them and had drafted a plan on how to use it to overturn the election.
paradox wrote: ↑January 7th, 2022, 1:38 pmhttps://people.com/politics/new-book-de ... -election/stokesjokes wrote: ↑January 7th, 2022, 1:34 pm Well, it only wasn’t a catastrophe because the things they wanted didn’t end up happening. We were one Mike Pence-Dan Quayle phone call away from an actual catastrophe.What is the Pence-Quayle link?
For me, I’m less concerned about the rabble of “true believers” who were whipped up into a frenzy enough to enter the capitol and more concerned with the people who knowingly deceived them and had drafted a plan on how to use it to overturn the election.
paradox wrote: ↑January 7th, 2022, 2:13 pm This past presidential election is the most irregular of our time, if not of all time. Their will be high energy on the GOP due to this. Same would hold true with Dems if they could play this card. But they can't. The card belongs to the GOP.I'll be camping out inline the night before polls open.
But Dems still need something to energize their base. Thus, the absurd Jan 6 exaggeration and hysteria. Dems only know of one way to do it. Over-play the hand that's given.
TH Spangler wrote: ↑February 10th, 2022, 8:33 pm Facanating interview by Carlson with Dr Robert Malone. A bit concerning for those of us who got the jabPosted him a year ago on the C thread. But my “ sources” were ridiculed...