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By olldflame
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So, if you aren't up on the latest with our favorite socialista, AOC tweeted a picture of her grandmother's leaky roof in Puerto Rico and blamed Trump for not fixing it. After getting tons of backlash about why she hadn't helped herself (while driving around in the Tesla she just leased) she has mostly just doubled down with the typical socialist line that she is devoting her time and resources to helping all the downtrodden, not just family. Matt Walsh and the gang at Daily Wire decided something needed to be done.



They have raised almost $70,000 to this point. It will be interesting to see what happens with the $$.
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By olldflame
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They cut donations off at $104,000 plus after just 19 hours. I highly doubt it will cost that much to set abuela's place straight, so it will will be interesting to see how they handle it from here. Assuming they know where grandma's house is (over the river and through the woods?) if it were me, I would just hire a local contractor and have them show up unannounced and say "We're here to repair any damage you have from the hurricane". Any mony left could go to a reputable organization providing similar assistance to other victims.
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By thepostman
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So Matt Walsh is now upping his internet trolling game? The obsession with AOC, who has very little control in her own party, is always odd. But I guess the same could be said of the letft's obsession with Marjorie Taylor Greene.

Polticians and poltical commentator are just the worse. Made worse by social media.

Using your grandma for poltical purposes isn't a good look though but neither is using someone else's gradma for poltical purposes and pretending you are somehow being "kind". These people are special.
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By jbock13
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I like most of the Daily Wire hosts (their online content is sensational garbage) but Walsh strikes me as a bit phony.
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By Kricket
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I think he picks AOC because she's a simple target. She's a caricature of the left. It doesn't take much to defeat her intellectually. Right or wrong it makes a point. The point is the left uses anecdotes to make a point, and it was an easily fixable problem in this case. Argument won, albeit against a very mentally defenseless opponent in AOC. We all cherry pick weak arguments and try to debunk them from time to time, it's just a matter to what level we find tasteful or distasteful.

I will say I'm souring on the use of social media as well. As you pointed out, it does bring out the worst in most, especially regarding politics. It can even do that on this board if we're not all careful.
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By olldflame
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I think you are dead wrong on the level of influence she and her squad mates have over dem leadership. They are scared to death of them. Perfect example: Omar makes blatant anti-semetic remarks, and leadership starts out with a fairly clear condemnation and ends up with some silly kum-ba-yah "hate is bad in all forms" pablum when they realize anything stronger will make the lefties mad.

I suppose it's fair game to question Walsh's motives, but it looks like grandma (and probably some others) are going to get help, and that was not happening til he got involved.
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By Sly Fox
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Forgive my cynicism but it looked to me like AOC was fishing for a lobbyist to take care of an issue that she didn't want to bother addressing. If I want to influence AOC, a few grand on some repairs to her abuela's house seems like an easy route.
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By thepostman
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olldflame wrote: June 5th, 2021, 8:57 am I think you are dead wrong on the level of influence she and her squad mates have over dem leadership. They are scared to death of them. Perfect example: Omar makes blatant anti-semetic remarks, and leadership starts out with a fairly clear condemnation and ends up with some silly kum-ba-yah "hate is bad in all forms" pablum when they realize anything stronger will make the lefties mad.

I suppose it's fair game to question Walsh's motives, but it looks like grandma (and probably some others) are going to get help, and that was not happening til he got involved.
I said in the party not necessarily dems in Washington. Democrats in Washington might listen to her and the rest of the squad to humor them but Joe Biden would not have been the party's nomination if they truly had as much influence as they, and others, believe that they do.

I use to enjoy Walsh's work for the most part but he has gone into full internet trolling mode that last couple of years. It is what all these people have to do to remain relevant I suppose.
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By TH Spangler
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It's about putting/keeping money in their pockets. And there's been plenty flowing from Communist China recently. I wonder if 习近平 donated?
By stokesjokes
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olldflame wrote: June 5th, 2021, 8:57 am I think you are dead wrong on the level of influence she and her squad mates have over dem leadership. They are scared to death of them. Perfect example: Omar makes blatant anti-semetic remarks, and leadership starts out with a fairly clear condemnation and ends up with some silly kum-ba-yah "hate is bad in all forms" pablum when they realize anything stronger will make the lefties mad.

I suppose it's fair game to question Walsh's motives, but it looks like grandma (and probably some others) are going to get help, and that was not happening til he got involved.
I think you’re right, it seems like both parties are beholden to their most radical voices at the moment. Everyone’s afraid that pushing back against these fringes will somehow alienate the base of the party. Look at what happened to Liz Cheney for daring to push for some accountability for January 6th.

I also don’t really see the comparison between AOC and MTG. I see a lot of people on the left championing AOC as a leader. The only people I hear talk about MTG are people making fun of her.
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By thepostman
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What? Conservative talking heads keep praising MTG any chance they get. I think it is the perfect comparison. Both represent such fringe ideas, yet are being propped up like they are mainstream thought.

Regardless, I agree both parties are paying way too much attention to the fringes.
By stokesjokes
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Well, I don’t listen to conservative talking heads, so maybe that was wishful thinking. I guess it’s worse than I thought :lol:
By olldflame
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stokesjokes wrote: June 5th, 2021, 10:06 am Well, I don’t listen to conservative talking heads, so maybe that was wishful thinking. I guess it’s worse than I thought :lol:
I listen to some of them, and I don't hear much if any admiration for MTG.
By JK37
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@postie - your desire to appear completely in the middle and fair knows no bounds. Biden couldn’t have been elected without mollifying the fringes. AOC started at the fringes and is slowly pulling the party her way. Mod Dems are terrified of her and her ilk.

NOBODY praises MTG the way the left gives AOC her due. R’s stripped her of all power, removing her from all committees. D’s didn’t do anything of the sort to AOC. BIG difference.

@stokesjokes you had it right to begin with. And I thought you were going to bend over backwards to appear middling as well. My apologies!

This guy called AOC’s bluff. She was complaining and doing nothing. “Trump should’ve fixed my grandma’s house!” Why don’t you fix it?! So this guy comes along, calls her bluff, and actually gets something done. I’m sure he’s arrogant, like a guy batflipping after a home run, he’ll probably flaunt this. Fight fire with fire I say. He wins this round.
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By olldflame
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Update: It looks like grandma will not be getting her money. "Someone in her family" apparently contacted GoFundMe and told them she does not want it, so they are returning it to the donors. One would think that before doing that they would actually talk to HER, but there is no indication that conversation has taken place.
By JK37
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What a perfect liberal analogy. Complain about problems of others from your position of power, do nothing, deflect the efforts of others to actually do something because you want to keep this issue at the fore to gain power.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

More and more I ask myself: are you a liberal/dem because you actually believe the ideas/solutions are better, or just because it’s the side the gains you the most power? Same for conservatives, but their ideas more often make more sense to me. (Performance of course is another matter.)
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By thepostman
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Ahhh I can always count on @JK37 to take issue with my posts. It seems you read into my posts what you want to read into them.

I have zero desire to be in the middle and fall on the right on most issues, I'm just not a republican. Hypocrisy is hypocrisy and deserves to be talked about.

AOC annoys the living crap out of me but at the end of the day she is getting very little done. Biden is not her guy and she views him as too much lf a centrist and compared to her, he is. Which is why I find it difficult to believe that she has as much power in her own party as people attempt to give her. It only helps prop her up. Ignore her, then she will go away. Give her attention and you play right into her hand. Which is what Walsh did here.
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By JK37
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There is a lot more evidence the party is going AOC’s way than the Republican Party is going MTG’s. She’s impossible to ignore because too many people like her. And the media props her up, too.
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By Jonathan Carone
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JK37 wrote: June 5th, 2021, 10:48 am What a perfect liberal analogy. Complain about problems of others from your position of power, do nothing, deflect the efforts of others to actually do something because you want to keep this issue at the fore to gain power.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

More and more I ask myself: are you a liberal/dem because you actually believe the ideas/solutions are better, or just because it’s the side the gains you the most power? Same for conservatives, but their ideas more often make more sense to me. (Performance of course is another matter.)
You’re conveniently forgetting all the work AOC did for Texas during the ice storm and power outages while Ted Cruz was in Cancun.

I don’t like AOC’s politics, but the way some of you on here view her is essentially Trump Derangement Syndrome but towards her.

They’re all bad. National politicians who’s name you know are all self serving and out to “own” the other side. The quiet ones who care about governing aren’t getting the headlines and doing the interviews.
By flamehunter
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Jonathan Carone wrote: June 5th, 2021, 12:07 pm
JK37 wrote: June 5th, 2021, 10:48 am What a perfect liberal analogy. Complain about problems of others from your position of power, do nothing, deflect the efforts of others to actually do something because you want to keep this issue at the fore to gain power.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

More and more I ask myself: are you a liberal/dem because you actually believe the ideas/solutions are better, or just because it’s the side the gains you the most power? Same for conservatives, but their ideas more often make more sense to me. (Performance of course is another matter.)
You’re conveniently forgetting all the work AOC did for Texas during the ice storm and power outages while Ted Cruz was in Cancun.

I don’t like AOC’s politics, but the way some of you on here view her is essentially Trump Derangement Syndrome but towards her.

They’re all bad. National politicians who’s name you know are all self serving and out to “own” the other side. The quiet ones who care about governing aren’t getting the headlines and doing the interviews.
So she did what Walsh is doing now. She gets points for it but Matt is grandstanding? Am I understanding that right?
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By Jonathan Carone
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I would actually say she gets more credit for what she did than what Walsh is doing. She legitimately helped people in Texas and the money went to actual people. I can’t give her credit for having pure motives because she was trying to own Republicans but actual good came out of it.

Walsh made a lot of noise and “owned” AOC but nothing actually came out of it.

It’s all grandstanding from both sides.
By olldflame
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The only reason "nothing came of it" was "someone in the family" (wonder who THAT could have been :roll: ) told GoFundMe that grandma "wouldn't take" the money. I would have to refresh my memory on what it was that AOC actually did in Texas and who benefited from it, but when it comes to grandstanding and virtue-signalling, she is in a class all by herself. Note the lack of tears now for the situation at the border. She must have gotten her white outfit too dirty to go back to the parking lot and pose again.
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By Jonathan Carone
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That’s why Walsh was grandstanding. He did something to make a point instead of doing the due diligence to figure out how to provide actual help. It was all about owning the lib.
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By Purple Haize
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AOC is a master manipulator. The way to best her is not to engage her
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