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By olldflame
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This is interesting.



Based on those numbers, a lot more Ds than Rs did not get their Ballot, which would mean (for either party) they either need to vote in person of pro-actively seek out a mail-in ballot. Speculating possibly a somewhat more transient population on the D side. It really doesn't matter to me who it favors, it's not good.
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By thepostman
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There has been a lot of discussion in regards to mail-in voting. Some of the concerns are legit, some are unfounded but what i find the most humorous is the President claiming Florida is "perfect" and has a good system. I have been a registered Florida voter for 20 years. Nothing about our system has ever been even close to perfect. There is a reason we are the butt of so many jokes every big election cycle.
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By Purple Haize
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thepostman wrote: August 9th, 2020, 10:43 am There has been a lot of discussion in regards to mail-in voting. Some of the concerns are legit, some are unfounded but what i find the most humorous is the President claiming Florida is "perfect" and has a good system. I have been a registered Florida voter for 20 years. Nothing about our system has ever been even close to perfect. There is a reason we are the butt of so many jokes every big election cycle.
The conflation between mail in and absentee voting is maddening. And a topic possibly for the Media Bias thread
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By thepostman
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Agreed completely but it doesn't help when the president consistently confuses the 2 terms but he is old. What do we really expect? I'm 37 and can't remember what happened last week, haha.

But it still doesn't make Florida the model for how elections should be handled. I beg the rest of the country to not look to Florida for guidance on elections.
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By Purple Haize
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So a pretty private campaign plane flew between South Bend and Wilmington. VP Boot Edge Edge?
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By TH Spangler
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Just in case there's any Republican establishment types lurking. Your type will never win another election. 90 percent of Republican voters support Trump and 30 percent of those would stay home before voting for a nother Romney, McCain type. :lol:
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By Just John
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TH Spangler wrote:Just in case there's any Republican establishment types lurking. Your type will never win another election. 90 percent of Republican voters support Trump and 30 percent of those would stay home before voting for a nother Romney, McCain type. :lol:
This is an interesting take. Young adults overwhelmingly like Biden over Trump. Many in the “establishment” aren’t Trumper’s, they are cowards who are afraid of him. But most importantly, the demographics are against the current strain of GOP. Whites will be the minority in 15-20 years. You can believe Trump is going to get a big chunk of the black or Hispanic vote but I don’t believe it. Trump has indeed taken over the GOP but many have left the GOP because of him.
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By TH Spangler
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Just John wrote: August 11th, 2020, 8:53 am
TH Spangler wrote:Just in case there's any Republican establishment types lurking. Your type will never win another election. 90 percent of Republican voters support Trump and 30 percent of those would stay home before voting for a nother Romney, McCain type. :lol:
This is an interesting take. Young adults overwhelmingly like Biden over Trump. Many in the “establishment” aren’t Trumper’s, they are cowards who are afraid of him. But most importantly, the demographics are against the current strain of GOP. Whites will be the minority in 15-20 years. You can believe Trump is going to get a big chunk of the black or Hispanic vote but I don’t believe it. Trump has indeed taken over the GOP but many have left the GOP because of him.
I figured "you" would bite on that one. You're as political as Jr. :lol: .

Anyone with half a brain and a few years on the planet is not interested in an establishment candidate from either party. We have set by and watch them offshore our middle class manufacturing jobs. Do a terrible job of oversight. They are like magicians, the politics we see in one hand have nothing to do with what's going on in the hand we cannot see. When their trick is over we are poorer and they are richer.

Going forward we have 2 choices, a new democratic socialist or a new populist republican. Anyone else is wasting their time. I'm old, so if we screw it up I won't have to deal with it very long. :lol: Pre-trib, plz! :lol:
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By Purple Haize
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Just John wrote: August 11th, 2020, 8:53 am
TH Spangler wrote:Just in case there's any Republican establishment types lurking. Your type will never win another election. 90 percent of Republican voters support Trump and 30 percent of those would stay home before voting for a nother Romney, McCain type. :lol:
This is an interesting take. Young adults overwhelmingly like Biden over Trump. Many in the “establishment” aren’t Trumper’s, they are cowards who are afraid of him. But most importantly, the demographics are against the current strain of GOP. Whites will be the minority in 15-20 years. You can believe Trump is going to get a big chunk of the black or Hispanic vote but I don’t believe it. Trump has indeed taken over the GOP but many have left the GOP because of him.
Young adults are typically more Liberal in their mindsets. That’s nothing new. 35 years ago Whites were going to be the minority in 15-20 years. Trump has certainly arrived on the scene like a wrecking ball that’s an absolute certainty. He’s disrupted the status quo in both parties. Things won’t improve if Biden is elected. Conventional wisdom is saying Biden’s VP will be deFacto if not actual POTUS and his list of names aren’t exactly Unifiers that will bring everyone together. With the Rona receding and the Economy holding on Trump is looking better but not a lock for 2020. If people want a “reset to civility” they should ironically hope he wins and that will clear the deck for 2024 when people will have to run on records etc.
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By TH Spangler
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D's are getting 95 percent of the black vote. If 10 percent figure out that a "put Americia first policy" includes them we avoid socialist marxism. The black american voting block will get to decide our future. I just hope and pray they think it through and make the right choice.
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By alabama24
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Purple Haize wrote: August 10th, 2020, 9:22 pm So a pretty private campaign plane flew between South Bend and Wilmington. VP Boot Edge Edge?
That would be hilarious. He would break a campaign promise and tick off two primary support groups at once!
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By TH Spangler
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alabama24 wrote: August 11th, 2020, 10:21 am
Purple Haize wrote: August 10th, 2020, 9:22 pm So a pretty private campaign plane flew between South Bend and Wilmington. VP Boot Edge Edge?
That would be hilarious. He would break a campaign promise and tick off two primary support groups at once!
If so, I get to say I told you so to some of my black buddies. I tried to explain to them money rules.

VP debates would be priceless :lol:
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By Just John
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TH Spangler wrote: August 11th, 2020, 9:24 am
Just John wrote: August 11th, 2020, 8:53 am
TH Spangler wrote:Just in case there's any Republican establishment types lurking. Your type will never win another election. 90 percent of Republican voters support Trump and 30 percent of those would stay home before voting for a nother Romney, McCain type. :lol:
This is an interesting take. Young adults overwhelmingly like Biden over Trump. Many in the “establishment” aren’t Trumper’s, they are cowards who are afraid of him. But most importantly, the demographics are against the current strain of GOP. Whites will be the minority in 15-20 years. You can believe Trump is going to get a big chunk of the black or Hispanic vote but I don’t believe it. Trump has indeed taken over the GOP but many have left the GOP because of him.
I figured "you" would bite on that one. You're as political as Jr. :lol: .

Anyone with half a brain and a few years on the planet is not interested in an establishment candidate from either party. We have set by and watch them offshore our middle class manufacturing jobs. Do a terrible job of oversight. They are like magicians, the politics we see in one hand have nothing to do with what's going on in the hand we cannot see. When their trick is over we are poorer and they are richer.

Going forward we have 2 choices, a new democratic socialist or a new populist republican. Anyone else is wasting their time. I'm old, so if we screw it up I won't have to deal with it very long. :lol: Pre-trib, plz! :lol:
Except I'm not running a CHRISTIAN college. :D
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By Just John
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Purple Haize wrote: August 11th, 2020, 9:55 am
Just John wrote: August 11th, 2020, 8:53 am
TH Spangler wrote:Just in case there's any Republican establishment types lurking. Your type will never win another election. 90 percent of Republican voters support Trump and 30 percent of those would stay home before voting for a nother Romney, McCain type. :lol:
This is an interesting take. Young adults overwhelmingly like Biden over Trump. Many in the “establishment” aren’t Trumper’s, they are cowards who are afraid of him. But most importantly, the demographics are against the current strain of GOP. Whites will be the minority in 15-20 years. You can believe Trump is going to get a big chunk of the black or Hispanic vote but I don’t believe it. Trump has indeed taken over the GOP but many have left the GOP because of him.
Young adults are typically more Liberal in their mindsets. That’s nothing new. 35 years ago Whites were going to be the minority in 15-20 years. Trump has certainly arrived on the scene like a wrecking ball that’s an absolute certainty. He’s disrupted the status quo in both parties. Things won’t improve if Biden is elected. Conventional wisdom is saying Biden’s VP will be deFacto if not actual POTUS and his list of names aren’t exactly Unifiers that will bring everyone together. With the Rona receding and the Economy holding on Trump is looking better but not a lock for 2020. If people want a “reset to civility” they should ironically hope he wins and that will clear the deck for 2024 when people will have to run on records etc.
Younger people choosing Democrats are higher now than since Viet Nam and there is more of them. Demographics are what they are. GOP will not get what I consider, better, until they are soundly defeated for what they have become. Deficits have been much higher than under Obama and Trump's many big "accomplishments" have been through EO's....the things we conservatives use to rail about.

Good fruit doesn't fall from a bad tree. :wink:
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By Purple Haize
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I’m with you on deficits. But taking out The Rona crisis we weren’t doing nearly as bad as previously. Sequestration was the only thing restraining spending under the Obama Administration and thinks would have been worse under HRC. My biggest disappointment are the CR Omnibus bill that the House kept sending up and Trump keeps signing. Had the “Establishment Republicans” spent more working with Trump on budgets, spending etc instead of opposing him early on we would be in a much different (better?) place. But they chose not to and here we are. Huge deficits. Piling on debt and no end in sight. Can’t even get a Rona Relief package, which should be pretty straight forward, passed. Which is why I’m glad he used his EO’s over the weekend no matter how much I hate the concept. They were narrow in scope and didn’t really increase the deficit that much. I’m not thrilled about owing the taxes they are not with holding but a simple act of Congress could fix that. Not that Pelosi would do that
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By thepostman
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Because nothing ever gets done during a re-election year.

I'm not a Trump guy and completely disagree with his use of executive orders but sadly others before him set precedence (of course he took the campaign trail 4/5 years railing against the use of EO but I digress).

But it is also not a good look for democrats to not have the capability to come together on 'rona relief. It is just a lose/lose scenario again this year.

I guess we try again in 4 years.
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By Just John
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Purple Haize wrote: August 11th, 2020, 11:29 am I’m with you on deficits. But taking out The Rona crisis we weren’t doing nearly as bad as previously. Sequestration was the only thing restraining spending under the Obama Administration and thinks would have been worse under HRC. My biggest disappointment are the CR Omnibus bill that the House kept sending up and Trump keeps signing. Had the “Establishment Republicans” spent more working with Trump on budgets, spending etc instead of opposing him early on we would be in a much different (better?) place. But they chose not to and here we are. Huge deficits. Piling on debt and no end in sight. Can’t even get a Rona Relief package, which should be pretty straight forward, passed. Which is why I’m glad he used his EO’s over the weekend no matter how much I hate the concept. They were narrow in scope and didn’t really increase the deficit that much. I’m not thrilled about owing the taxes they are not with holding but a simple act of Congress could fix that. Not that Pelosi would do that
From Forbes - Feb 1, 2020

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The Congressional Budget Office, or CBO, published its latest “Budget and Economic Outlook” which covers 2020 to 2030 on Wednesday, January 29. The 88 page report projects the Federal government receipts and expenditures to calculate the yearly Federal deficits and total debt, and it forecasts various economic metrics such as the economies growth rate and employment numbers.

President Obama entered office in early 2009 in the teeth of the Great Recession. Not surprisingly, the deficit exploded from $459 billion in calendar 2008 to over $1.4 trillion in calendar 2009. As the economy recovered the deficits shrank to a low of $442 billion in 2015 and was $585 billion his last year in office.

President Trump on the other hand was handed an economy that was growing. In 2017, his first year in office the deficit grew to $666 billion, was $984 billion last year and is projected to be over $1 trillion in 2020 at $1.02 trillion. This would be a 74% increase in just four years and going forward the Federal deficit could escalate to $1.7 trillion in 2030.

When you compare the last three years of Obama’s Presidency vs. Trump’s first three years, Trump’s deficits will be almost $1 trillion greater at $2.47 trillion to $1.51 trillion for Obama. It doesn’t look like Trump’s tax cuts will pay for themselves.

And....

...since 1970 the only times, until now, that the deficit has been above 4% of GDP is when there has been a recession.

The situation of a growing economy that is experiencing larger deficits as a percentage of the economy is not positive. This is especially concerning since there will eventually be a weakening of the economy, which could explode the deficit as revenue decreases and outlays increase.
This was all pre-Covid and from Forbes, not some liberal rag.

I have never voted for a Democrat in my life and complained constantly about Obama. But even with all three branches of Gov't in the first two years of this administration the deficit exploded while the economy was growing at a good rate. There is something wrong with that picture! That wasn't all the Dem's fault. We had the "best dealmaker" as president and as GOP House and Senate. So a good economy was given a boost with more debt. Now I know conservatives used to care about that too. Rush has recently told us "no one was ever really serious about it". That's like Franklin Graham saying Trump's pictures with Stormy was "no one's business" after he castigated Bill Clinton for his Monica Lewinsky affair ("How can we trust him"?).
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By Purple Haize
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I’m not sure you actually read what I wrote. I literally said that I wish the “Establishment Republicans” had spent more time working with Trump as opposed to fighting him. Used their energy to fight Democrats to get spending under some semblance of control. But instead we got more of these Omnibus CR’s. I can’t even remember the last time the Government operated under an actual Budget
I also pointed out that the years where Deficits were low under Obama weren’t some great austerity measures from Barry. But the Sequester that he rallied against time and again. Not sure that’s a great way to govern either but it did control spending.
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By Just John
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Purple Haize wrote: August 11th, 2020, 12:24 pm I’m not sure you actually read what I wrote. I literally said that I wish the “Establishment Republicans” had spent more time working with Trump as opposed to fighting him. Used their energy to fight Democrats to get spending under some semblance of control. But instead we got more of these Omnibus CR’s. I can’t even remember the last time the Government operated under an actual Budget
I also pointed out that the years where Deficits were low under Obama weren’t some great austerity measures from Barry. But the Sequester that he rallied against time and again. Not sure that’s a great way to govern either but it did control spending.
Apologies, I was keying off your "we are better than we were". These are very valid points. Trump made a big deal of being a "deal maker" and "only he can fix it" yet he continued to sign the CR's that came to him. GOP congress gave us the Sequester. The truth is, the GOP is better on the budget under a Democrat president. Gives them something to fight about. With a GOP president, they have no desire, especially if he won't curb them. He promised to balance the budget in 8 years which I'm sure no one believed but he hasn't even made an attempt.

A pox on both their houses. It's disgusting to see the hypocrisy from each as the status changes so do the "principles". This includes the "Evangelical right" of which I would have once considered myself.
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By TH Spangler
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First things first. Trumps magic trick. The hand you see is spending money however necessary to get a second term. The hand you don't see is draining the swamp. The snakes and gators are fighting back hard but a lot have been flushed. If he gets a second term I hope he cleans up public sector waste.
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By Just John
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TH Spangler wrote: August 11th, 2020, 2:01 pm First things first. Trumps magic trick. The hand you see is spending money however necessary to get a second term. The hand you don't see is draining the swamp. The snakes and gators are fighting back hard but a lot have been flushed. If he gets a second term I hope he cleans up public sector waste.
:D

Yeah, yeah, yeah...and we “aren’t supposed to take him literally” and “he’s playing four- dimensional chess”. Do you SERIOUSLY believe that? He’s gonna blow up spending in the first term only to try to claw back at it in the second? So many people liked Trump because they thought he was a great negotiator or “he tells it like it is”. You can’t square those with what you opine.

The truth is so many people put up with stuff from Trump they would never put up from A Democrat. IMO many have so much invested in who they thought Trump was that it’s hard to back down now. In reality, he’s not half the man he thinks he is (of course) nor what his voters thought he was.

(My thoughts are serious but my banter is meant to be friendly. I vowed never to lose friends over politics. People are more important).
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By alabama24
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I know this is a crossover post, but I think that COVID-19 in relationship to college football can be a B1G factor in the presidential election. If the SEC, ACC, and B12 do indeed play, and things go smoothly, Trump will have talking points. On the other hand, if things go poorly for those conferences, Biden will have talking points.
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