A Sea Of Red

stokesjokes wrote: ↑January 15th, 2023, 4:47 pm That Q3 2021 is pretty easy to explain. It’s not when vaccines were widely made available, that was Q4 2020/Q1 2021, but you don’t see a big, disproportionate uptick then. You see it in Q3 2021, which was when the delta variant, the most deadly so far, became the dominant variant.

And again, I haven’t seen any good data that says cardiac arrests/strokes are significantly up, but even if they are, why is the assumption that it’s the vax when we know that COVID infections themselves carry a 7x higher risk of myocarditis than the vax.

The vaccine was made available widely when you said, but look at when the actual number of vaccinations really took off - mid-2021. So your explanation really isn't valid.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

TH Spangler wrote: ↑January 15th, 2023, 5:54 am https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/ ... ous-stroke

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles ... 2_38323334

I'm praying these are just a fluke. I could post many more from the past couple weeks.

https://cmsedit.cbn.com/cbnnews/health/ ... yocarditis

Again, two more cases where COVID or the vaccine isn't even mentioned, much less as the cause of death. One is a guy who is 67. Not too old but certainly in the age group where mortality has increased significantly. One has to wonder if there is a desire these individuals had the vaccine so as to blame a predetermined narrative.

• According to a CDC study reported in 2017, strokes were increasing and among younger people 2010-2015. In 2014, 38% of people hospitalized for stroke were less than 65 years old. Strokes in general are likely to increase as Gen X'ers increase in age.

• It is believed that risk of Myocarditis increases in athletes if they continue to workout while they have COVID symptoms.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... %20studies.

But again, none of the deaths posted here have hinted at cause of death or vaccine use.

flamehunter wrote: ↑January 15th, 2023, 6:58 pm

stokesjokes wrote: ↑January 15th, 2023, 4:47 pm That Q3 2021 is pretty easy to explain. It’s not when vaccines were widely made available, that was Q4 2020/Q1 2021, but you don’t see a big, disproportionate uptick then. You see it in Q3 2021, which was when the delta variant, the most deadly so far, became the dominant variant.

And again, I haven’t seen any good data that says cardiac arrests/strokes are significantly up, but even if they are, why is the assumption that it’s the vax when we know that COVID infections themselves carry a 7x higher risk of myocarditis than the vax.

The vaccine was made available widely when you said, but look at when the actual number of vaccinations really took off - mid-2021. So your explanation really isn't valid.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Look at the timeline tracking 7-day averages for deaths from your same source:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/united-states

It spikes right through Q3 2021. We already have a source for high rates of excess death right there. We also know that those deaths are concentrated in younger people more than during any other period of the pandemic, look how it absolutely soars for younger ages:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... e/fig0002/

Now, since we already have a good explanation for those excess deaths, I don't see any reason to try to attribute them to vaccines. Even if you tried, we have the reverse phenomenon where low-vaccinated places are the places with the highest rates of excess deaths: https://www.nber.org/papers/w30512

It just doesn't hold up as viable.

TH Spangler wrote: ↑January 15th, 2023, 6:18 pm Stokes are you getting all the boosters?

I have so far. I also work in healthcare and so does my wife, so I understand that my calculus for taking them may look different than others.

stokesjokes wrote: ↑January 15th, 2023, 10:37 pm

TH Spangler wrote: ↑January 15th, 2023, 6:18 pm Stokes are you getting all the boosters?

I have so far. I also work in healthcare and so does my wife, so I understand that my calculus for taking them may look different than others.

I know several doctors who have only had the initial round of shots. I know a couple who haven’t had any.

Purple Haize wrote: ↑January 15th, 2023, 10:47 pm

stokesjokes wrote: ↑January 15th, 2023, 10:37 pm

TH Spangler wrote: ↑January 15th, 2023, 6:18 pm Stokes are you getting all the boosters?

I have so far. I also work in healthcare and so does my wife, so I understand that my calculus for taking them may look different than others.

I know several doctors who have only had the initial round of shots. I know a couple who haven’t had any.

I was just in for my annual physical. I ask staff if they were boostered. They all said no.

One of the question I had to answer was if I had a heartache did I want to be revived.

That’s been a standard question for awhile

Everyone should sit down and do an advanced directive. Don’t put those decisions on your family.

stokesjokes wrote: ↑January 16th, 2023, 12:33 pm Everyone should sit down and do an advanced directive. Don’t put those decisions on your family.

Can you please explain “advanced directive” to those novices present?

And also what you mean by “those decisions in your family.”

Two honest requests for clarification. I’m genuinely fascinated by the conversation but have no knowledge that would make it worth my contribution. Please and thank you.

LU 57 wrote: ↑January 16th, 2023, 1:25 pm

JAMA is pretty legit, right?

JK37 wrote: ↑January 16th, 2023, 2:53 pm

stokesjokes wrote: ↑January 16th, 2023, 12:33 pm Everyone should sit down and do an advanced directive. Don’t put those decisions on your family.

Can you please explain “advanced directive” to those novices present?

And also what you mean by “those decisions in your family.”

Two honest requests for clarification. I’m genuinely fascinated by the conversation but have no knowledge that would make it worth my contribution. Please and thank you.

Not sure if you are joking or not. But I will risk it. An advanced directive basically spells out to what extent one wants to be revived. In absence of an advanced directive, the medical team will do everything possible to restart your heart even up to breaking your ribs and such to restart your heart.

If your other organs are failing or one is of advanced age or poor health, that may not be in one’s or their families best interest.

Wasn’t joking. Thank you.

JK37 wrote: ↑January 16th, 2023, 4:10 pm Wasn’t joking. Thank you.

My sister and I dealt with this with my mother last year. We did not see eye-to-eye really until the end. So I agree with stokes that it is best to work this type of thing out in advance.

Thanks @LU 57 , I will add that while resuscitation is the most common thing an advanced directive can be used for, it can be more broad as well, including identifying who you want to make medical decisions for you. Basically anything you can anticipate regarding medical care.

Something I have used with clients before is 5 wishes:

https://www.fivewishes.org/

Pretty straightforward and easier than you might think to do. You don’t need lawyers or anything in most states, just fill it out and sign it.

LU 57 wrote: ↑January 16th, 2023, 4:51 pm

JK37 wrote: ↑January 16th, 2023, 4:10 pm Wasn’t joking. Thank you.

My sister and I dealt with this with my mother last year. We did not see eye-to-eye really until the end. So I agree with stokes that it is best to work this type of thing out in advance.

I’m very sorry about that.

Where does this find its place within the context of conversation about Covid? This conversation took a turn - informative as it may be - for which I can’t seem to connect the dots.

@TH Spangler mentioned being asked by his doc if he wanted to be revived. It’s not directly related. I don’t think anyone will ask your family if you want to be vaccinated while you’re in a coma.

So there have been a lot more people in comas because of vaccinations?

(Ok, now I’m messing with you. THAT much of the conversation I could follow!)

I think we've reached round 5 of boosters. Only 18 percent have gotten the last one. Stokes are you in that small group?

I have gotten two boosters, including the bivalent, which is the latest one. Even if you got one every 6 months since they were approved you wouldn’t be up to 5 yet, so I’m not sure where “round 5” is coming from.

I’ve just gotten a booster with my flu shot the past couple years, it really hasn’t been burdensome. Of course I am lucky to not have any reactions to them, I know some people feel crummy for a couple days afterwards.

my doctor is one of the best internists in our area allegedly. he did not think I should of gotten the vaccine initially based on age and health and urged me to not consider the boosters. I did get vaccinated early on with the pfizer one.

Mrs Purple got her booster before our Europe trip in June and was down and out for several days. Only to contract Rona by the time we got home. Needless to say her enthusiasm for a 4th jab is near 0%

Our whole family, including kids have gotten boosters, no adverse reactions.

COVID has hit our house but symptoms were mild. However I personally know other folks who were younger, not vaccinated and COVID hit them hard (and some lost their life).

All the doctors in our network from family doctors to specialists have recommended them. That’s just our experience.

I got Pfizer and then a Moderna booster December 2021 when Delta was still going strong and one of my former coworkers (youngder individual, unvaccinated, former military) passed from Delta. I have not gotten the bivalent booster, and to this day, Dave and I have never tested positive for Covid (and we test as soon as coughs or sniffles start).

Our doctors have recommended the booster shots, but until they actually work at preventing disease and not just reducing symptoms (aka the old school definition of vaccine), I'm going to pass on them.

FAA made changes to pilot exams.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarko ... e-n2618419