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Re: The COVID-19 Megathread

Posted: May 24th, 2022, 9:02 am
by Purple Haize
olldflame wrote: May 24th, 2022, 8:40 am
Purple Haize wrote: May 24th, 2022, 7:47 am
TH Spangler wrote: May 24th, 2022, 7:28 am Latest virus outbreak monkeypox has been traced to two "raves" held in Spain and Belgium.
Guess who’s going to be in Spain in 2 weeks :shock:
We know you won't be able to pass on the raves, but since Mrs. Purple will be with you, I'm sure you will refrain from the "activities" that would put you at risk.
2 Words. Designated Driver! Plus, the beverage package on the cruise is amazing and Mrs DeploraBill doesn’t drink. So I’ll have to pull double duty :D

But yeah. The ‘activities’ that most likely caused this outbreak I will certainly refrain from!

Re: The COVID-19 Megathread

Posted: July 17th, 2022, 7:42 am
by TH Spangler
Mid-term variant spreading faster and faster. 8)

Re: The COVID-19 Megathread

Posted: July 17th, 2022, 10:40 am
by Purple Haize
TH Spangler wrote: July 17th, 2022, 7:42 am Mid-term variant spreading faster and faster. 8)
Dude this variant is pretty contagious no two ways about it. I know there was a lot of talk about it last month in Europe. But more people are just deciding to live with it. I would not be surprised if there is a spike in the European death rate with this strain. But that would be because there’s a massive heatwave and AC isn’t ubiquitous there

Re: The COVID-19 Megathread

Posted: July 17th, 2022, 12:36 pm
by TH Spangler
I wonder if we'll ever get to the bottom of its origin.

Re: The COVID-19 Megathread

Posted: July 31st, 2022, 4:34 pm
by lynchburgwildcats
What I find most interesting right now is that the COVID case load started going through another spike in May that ended up being a small spike. It didn't quite match what we saw in the summer and early fall of 2021, but it got close.

But what makes it unique is that the spike hit its peak in late May (and predictably went up against shortly after July 4th) ... and it has just stayed there. Every other spike hit its peak and cases started going down almost immediately after hitting the peak. It looks like, you know, a mountain, hence the peak terminology. The current spike looks more like a plateau. I wonder why it has sustained instead of going down?

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Re: The COVID-19 Megathread

Posted: November 7th, 2022, 11:22 am
by SumItUp
If you know anyone that has had any issues after taking one of the Covid shots, here is an organization that provides information, resources and community. https://react19.org/

Re: The COVID-19 Megathread

Posted: January 13th, 2023, 2:34 pm
by TH Spangler

Re: The COVID-19 Megathread

Posted: January 13th, 2023, 3:19 pm
by Purple Haize
Anecdotally I have several friends who have had 2-3 boosters who have stated that they are no longer confident in the Shots.
I have not seen a lot of information come out about JnJ, mostly the Pfizer and Moderna ones. I know the JnJ one was initially pulled them out back on the market amid concerns but it operates differently. I’d be interested in the post hoc analysis

Re: The COVID-19 Megathread

Posted: January 14th, 2023, 6:26 pm
by Just John
TH Spangler wrote: January 13th, 2023, 2:34 pm Data is getting scary.

https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2023/0 ... ead-at-42/

https://www.thehealthsite.com/news/covi ... et-942361/
Help me out. The Breitbart article about Ahmaad Galloway mentions not a thing about COVID or a COVID vaccine. Only that an ex-athlete age 42 was found dead and the cause of death is unknown. :dontgetit Is there any legit news that he died of a COVID vaccine or just vague innuendo?

I just had to have a booster for a new job. If I should die unexpectedly of a heart attack it's not likely the jab. I will have already lived longer than my father and his father who both died in their 50's of a sudden and massive heart attack. :wink:

Re: The COVID-19 Megathread

Posted: January 14th, 2023, 7:43 pm
by stokesjokes
Meanwhile the actual data says that you’re 7 times more likely to get myocarditis from a COVID infection than the vax. Weird how you don’t see the “died suddenly” people speculating about recent COVID infections.

Re: The COVID-19 Megathread

Posted: January 14th, 2023, 7:49 pm
by Purple Haize
“Actual Data”. There is no such thing anymore when it comes to all things COVID

Re: The COVID-19 Megathread

Posted: January 14th, 2023, 7:58 pm
by stokesjokes
That’s the kind of statement someone who knows in the back of their mind that the legitimate data isn’t on their side makes.

I’ll take the peer reviewed stuff published in medical journals over posts on anti-vax blogs, thanks.

Re: The COVID-19 Megathread

Posted: January 14th, 2023, 8:38 pm
by Purple Haize
stokesjokes wrote: January 14th, 2023, 7:58 pm That’s the kind of statement someone who knows in the back of their mind that the legitimate data isn’t on their side makes.

I’ll take the peer reviewed stuff published in medical journals over posts on anti-vax blogs, thanks.
No. That’s the kind of statement someone makes who looks at the ‘data’ and sees it all over the Board. Someone who looked at Peer Reviewed as the Gold Standard but who is not alone in seeing that standard erode.
If you want to write that off as ‘anti-vax’ that’s up to you. I look at it as healthy skepticism after looking at a bunch of different resources available
Now if any of these have a Double Blind Placebo Controlled multi site trials with solid Primary and Secondary endpoints I’ll be more than happy to look at THAT as the Gold Standard that it is. But these injections don’t have that so we are all sorta flying by the seat of our pants still

Re: The COVID-19 Megathread

Posted: January 14th, 2023, 10:22 pm
by stokesjokes
You’re severely undervaluing the data we have. If you know enough about research to know what the gold standard is, then you should know enough to know how good the data we have actually is. We’ve got placebo-controlled, observer blind RCTs all the way down. We’ve also got so much data regarding these things at this point that is imo remarkably consistent, I’m not sure where you’d get the idea that it’s “all over the place” or that we’re “flying by the seat of our pants” 2 years in.

Re: The COVID-19 Megathread

Posted: January 14th, 2023, 10:30 pm
by Purple Haize
stokesjokes wrote: January 14th, 2023, 10:22 pm You’re severely undervaluing the data we have. If you know enough about research to know what the gold standard is, then you should know enough to know how good the data we have actually is. We’ve got placebo-controlled, observer blind RCTs all the way down. We’ve also got so much data regarding these things at this point that is imo remarkably consistent, I’m not sure where you’d get the idea that it’s “all over the place” or that we’re “flying by the seat of our pants” 2 years in.
Except that’s not all entirely true. We knew this when the vaccines were ‘warp sped’ through. Remember this all started with the promise that if you get the vax you won’t get the Rona. That these vaccines were 100% safe AND effective. There was 0 mention of a booster let alone 3, 4 or 5. How many are we up to now? There’s a lot of ‘information’ out there. But we still don’t know how often or how effective the shots really are NEJM just posted an article that stated that booster didn’t really show significant benefit. Yet others say they show incredible benefit. So which is it? You say the science is all but settled and anyone questioning the efficacy and safety of the shots are anti vax. We are still only months removed from a pretty strong push to keep medical care from those who chose NOT to get a shot. These are insane times.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2215780

Re: The COVID-19 Megathread

Posted: January 14th, 2023, 10:31 pm
by tyndal23
stokesjokes wrote: January 14th, 2023, 10:22 pm You’re severely undervaluing the data we have. If you know enough about research to know what the gold standard is, then you should know enough to know how good the data we have actually is. We’ve got placebo-controlled, observer blind RCTs all the way down. We’ve also got so much data regarding these things at this point that is imo remarkably consistent, I’m not sure where you’d get the idea that it’s “all over the place” or that we’re “flying by the seat of our pants” 2 years in.
Laughable...

Re: The COVID-19 Megathread

Posted: January 14th, 2023, 11:19 pm
by stokesjokes
Purple Haize wrote: January 14th, 2023, 10:30 pm
stokesjokes wrote: January 14th, 2023, 10:22 pm You’re severely undervaluing the data we have. If you know enough about research to know what the gold standard is, then you should know enough to know how good the data we have actually is. We’ve got placebo-controlled, observer blind RCTs all the way down. We’ve also got so much data regarding these things at this point that is imo remarkably consistent, I’m not sure where you’d get the idea that it’s “all over the place” or that we’re “flying by the seat of our pants” 2 years in.
Except that’s not all entirely true. We knew this when the vaccines were ‘warp sped’ through. Remember this all started with the promise that if you get the vax you won’t get the Rona. That these vaccines were 100% safe AND effective. There was 0 mention of a booster let alone 3, 4 or 5. How many are we up to now? There’s a lot of ‘information’ out there. But we still don’t know how often or how effective the shots really are NEJM just posted an article that stated that booster didn’t really show significant benefit. Yet others say they show incredible benefit. So which is it? You say the science is all but settled and anyone questioning the efficacy and safety of the shots are anti vax. We are still only months removed from a pretty strong push to keep medical care from those who chose NOT to get a shot. These are insane times.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2215780
You’re conflating data and messaging here, as well as misrepresenting changes in the virus as inconsistency in the data. For the initial strain of COVID, the vax was about as good as you can get for efficacy, has pretty much always been as close to 100% on safety as you can get as well. The vax being less effective against delta, omicron, etc, doesn’t mean that the initial data was wrong, nor does the efficacy waning over time, which is pretty common with vaccines and immunity in general, hence the need for boosters. Now, I get being frustrated with the messaging if you felt like you got the impression that it would be one shot to cover you for life, but that’s not the data being “all over the place,” it’s people making conclusions from the data that go beyond its constraints.

I also haven’t seen any data that would be considered inconsistent regarding the bivalent booster’s efficacy. The studies I’ve seen show ~50% reduced chance of infection. Call that underwhelming if you want, but that’s the data. The data also says that they provide much better protection against hospitalization/death, which may be why you see some interpret “efficacy” differently, but, again, these findings aren’t inconsistent with each other.

Re: The COVID-19 Megathread

Posted: January 14th, 2023, 11:34 pm
by Purple Haize
But 18 months ago the Data and the Messaging were 1 in the same. Questioning if there was any daylight between the 2 made you ‘anti-vax or worse ‘anti science’. Now of course that’s the standard line. We are also being told about the variants, which originally, again, we were told would be handled by the vaccines. So people on both sides have been making conclusions from the data . ………which brings us full circle to the post I made you just recently responded too

Re: The COVID-19 Megathread

Posted: January 15th, 2023, 12:09 am
by stokesjokes
Your gripe doesn’t seem to be with the “actual data,” then, so what are we doing here?

Re: The COVID-19 Megathread

Posted: January 15th, 2023, 5:54 am
by TH Spangler

Re: The COVID-19 Megathread

Posted: January 15th, 2023, 9:20 am
by Purple Haize
stokesjokes wrote: January 15th, 2023, 12:09 am Your gripe doesn’t seem to be with the “actual data,” then, so what are we doing here?
Because the ‘actual data’ isn’t really out there. There’s a lot of ‘information’ out there but none of it addresses the questions that really need to be asked.
Plus, the ‘actual data’ is changing all the time. And generally it’s not a positive change for the safety and efficacy of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. The JnJ one doesn’t really get any publicity
So I can look around and see that there seems to be a lot of folks who generally wouldn’t be having heart problems having heart problems and question. It’s very suspicious but anecdotal. So I can’t say one way or the other. But I CAN see that the same folks who told me the Pfizer and Moderna shots were 100% safe are now saying there is a ‘slight’ chance of heart problems. I see Countries stopping vaccine programs for population segments while others do not. All of which, and more, leads me to the conclusion there is no ‘actual data’ and we are still flying by the seat of our pants still

Re: The COVID-19 Megathread

Posted: January 15th, 2023, 10:20 am
by LU 57
Excess deaths are getting harder and harder to explain.



Link to full report:

https://www.soa.org/4a368a/globalassets ... report.pdf

I am no data scientist, but I do not recall a time in my 50 years where so many young, healthy folks were dropping dead from cardiac arrests and strokes.

Re: The COVID-19 Megathread

Posted: January 15th, 2023, 4:47 pm
by stokesjokes
That Q3 2021 is pretty easy to explain. It’s not when vaccines were widely made available, that was Q4 2020/Q1 2021, but you don’t see a big, disproportionate uptick then. You see it in Q3 2021, which was when the delta variant, the most deadly so far, became the dominant variant.

And again, I haven’t seen any good data that says cardiac arrests/strokes are significantly up, but even if they are, why is the assumption that it’s the vax when we know that COVID infections themselves carry a 7x higher risk of myocarditis than the vax.

Re: The COVID-19 Megathread

Posted: January 15th, 2023, 6:18 pm
by TH Spangler
Stokes are you getting all the boosters?

Re: The COVID-19 Megathread

Posted: January 15th, 2023, 6:53 pm
by Purple Haize
Remember those crazy days when people said there was no difference between people dying with COVID and from COVID? Used to be crazy to talk about there being a difference. But now…..
Dig deep enough you’ll see data saying the Pfizer and Moderna shots, unlike the JnJ shot don’t cause heart issues. Now….
Lookit, I’m still where I have always been, get the shot, don’t get the shot, it makes no difference to me. Just don’t force it on people who don’t want it or judge someone for their choice whatever it is