[TH Spangler]

President Obama's deal? His admin set it up?

With soaring interest in environmental, social and governance-oriented (ESG) investing in recent years, it may be surprising to many that the biggest defined contribution plan in the world—that of the U.S. federal government—has decided to invest in China-based companies aligned with the Chinese government and ruling Communist Party.

https://401kspecialistmag.com/tsp-still ... companies/

[thepostman]

Since the 1st amendment was brought up in another thread, thoughts on the President getting involved with forcing "fairness"? Sounds a whole lot like the fairness doctrine the democrats try to throw out there a few years ago. That was ridiculous too.

Trump apologists please defend this. I can't wait to hear it.

[Purple Haize]

Not a fan. Depends on how they are going to Re-characterize or label what Twitter is. Will it be treated as a Platform for free speech or as a newspaper. I know there are certain legal barriers Twitter can hide behind because of its classification but am not familiar with the specifics. I certainly don’t care for the censoring Twitter repeatedly does but I certainly don’t want the Government censoring Twitter.
I would be interested to see what would happen if Trump cancelled his Twitter account . That would probably have a more detrimental effect on them than anything he would try to do via regulation. Especially if there was a fledgling competitor platform out there he switched to.

[Jonathan Carone]

I haven't understood how attaching a "read the facts" warning to a tweet is censoring. They didn't delete the tweet. They simply said it was factually wrong and included the sources for why.

How can we begin to fix the misinformation campaigns that have ruined our national discourse if everyone is going to scream "free speech!!1!" whenever someone posts facts?

[Purple Haize]

Well, when the Twitter fact checkers are wrong and selectively fact check then you have a problem

[thepostman]

Not a fan. Depends on how they are going to Re-characterize or label what Twitter is. Will it be treated as a Platform for free speech or as a newspaper. I know there are certain legal barriers Twitter can hide behind because of its classification but am not familiar with the specifics. I certainly don’t care for the censoring Twitter repeatedly does but I certainly don’t want the Government censoring Twitter.
I would be interested to see what would happen if Trump cancelled his Twitter account . That would probably have a more detrimental effect on them than anything he would try to do via regulation. Especially if there was a fledgling competitor platform out there he switched to.

I don't think Twitter will cancel his account. They won't even delete tweets that get reported to them. They know it isn't worth their time to do that but if the did delete his account it is their right to do so if they determine he violated the user agreement.

Regardless, I am happy to see at least one Trump apologist on this forum sees this as what it is. This is just another example as to why I don't buy Trump as a true conservative. He doesn't understand what conservationism really means and only harps on the sexy talking points.

Granted, my opinion on Trump has been pretty transparent on here but I have given him credit when he deserves it and I don't fall into the camp that refuses to admit he does anything well. There is a reason the economy was booming before COVID. That is his bread and butter but anything outside of that he seems to really struggle with.

[Purple Haize]

Perhaps I didn’t make my point clear. I would like to see Trump cancel his Twitter account. NOT Twitter cancel Trump

[thepostman]

Well, when the Twitter fact checkers are wrong and selectively fact check then you have a problem

Sure, but it isn't censoring his speech and they didn't delete it. Even if they did delete his tweet, it is their platform and they should be free to do as they feel fit. The free market can sort the rest of it out. Or at least that is what I thought we conservatives use to think. Maybe Trump is trying to change the republican platform more than he already has?? Nahhh

Anyways, he is doing this rile up his base prior to the election. It is literally what he does for nearly everything. He makes his supporters feel like they are the victims and need to stand up and he acts like he is coming to their rescue. Sometimes he is, but most of the time it is just for show.

I mean we are talking about it here so I guess I am helping him get what he wants. He is a master of misdirection.

[thepostman]

Perhaps I didn’t make my point clear. I would like to see Trump cancel his Twitter account. NOT Twitter cancel Trump

Nope, you were clear. I just misread your post. haha

[Purple Haize]

Perhaps I didn’t make my point clear. I would like to see Trump cancel his Twitter account. NOT Twitter cancel Trump

Nope, you were clear. I just misread your post. haha

What’s your job in the Chair Force again.....

[Purple Haize]

Well, when the Twitter fact checkers are wrong and selectively fact check then you have a problem

Sure, but it isn't censoring his speech and they didn't delete it. Even if they did delete his tweet, it is their platform and they should be free to do as they feel fit. The free market can sort the rest of it out. Or at least that is what I thought we conservatives use to think. Maybe Trump is trying to change the republican platform more than he already has?? Nahhh

Anyways, he is doing this rile up his base prior to the election. It is literally what he does for nearly everything. He makes his supporters feel like they are the victims and need to stand up and he acts like he is coming to their rescue. Sometimes he is, but most of the time it is just for show.

I mean we are talking about it here so I guess I am helping him get what he wants. He is a master of misdirection.

But who watches the watchers? I’d be more comfortable if Twitter and FB just let it be without their dubious Fact Check nonsense

[thepostman]

I do agree with that but it isn't the government's responsibility to create policy to police thought. I mainly look to twitter for sports and pro wrestling stuff as soon as I slip into political twitter I hate what I see and leave. If people hate what twitter is doing so much just leave the platform. Depending on the federal government to police something is not the way to go. What happens when the tides change a bit in our government? It'll be too late at that point.

[Ill flame]

Well, when the Twitter fact checkers are wrong and selectively fact check then you have a problem

Sure, but it isn't censoring his speech and they didn't delete it. Even if they did delete his tweet, it is their platform and they should be free to do as they feel fit. The free market can sort the rest of it out. Or at least that is what I thought we conservatives use to think. Maybe Trump is trying to change the republican platform more than he already has?? Nahhh

Anyways, he is doing this rile up his base prior to the election. It is literally what he does for nearly everything. He makes his supporters feel like they are the victims and need to stand up and he acts like he is coming to their rescue. Sometimes he is, but most of the time it is just for show.

I mean we are talking about it here so I guess I am helping him get what he wants. He is a master of misdirection.

There is no free market when it comes to social media. Facebook owns everything except Twitter and no one seems to do anything about it everytime they buy up a competitor.

[Purple Haize]

I do agree with that but it isn't the government's responsibility to create policy to police thought. I mainly look to twitter for sports and pro wrestling stuff as soon as I slip into political twitter I hate what I see and leave. If people hate what twitter is doing so much just leave the platform. Depending on the federal government to police something is not the way to go. What happens when the tides change a bit in our government? It'll be too late at that point.

Which is why I said I’d love to see Trump switch to a smaller fledgling competitor. It would change their world in an instant. Plus, you know, free market and stuff

[Purple Haize]

Well, when the Twitter fact checkers are wrong and selectively fact check then you have a problem

Sure, but it isn't censoring his speech and they didn't delete it. Even if they did delete his tweet, it is their platform and they should be free to do as they feel fit. The free market can sort the rest of it out. Or at least that is what I thought we conservatives use to think. Maybe Trump is trying to change the republican platform more than he already has?? Nahhh

Anyways, he is doing this rile up his base prior to the election. It is literally what he does for nearly everything. He makes his supporters feel like they are the victims and need to stand up and he acts like he is coming to their rescue. Sometimes he is, but most of the time it is just for show.

I mean we are talking about it here so I guess I am helping him get what he wants. He is a master of misdirection.

There is no free market when it comes to social media. Facebook owns everything except Twitter and no one seems to do anything about it everytime they buy up a competitor.

This is true to a point and goes to my original reply. I know it’s classified as something for legal protection purposes but can be reclassified as something else. If I cared more I’d look into it. However, social media platforms have changed. Those of us who had MySpace accounts can attest to it.

[thepostman]

Well, when the Twitter fact checkers are wrong and selectively fact check then you have a problem

Sure, but it isn't censoring his speech and they didn't delete it. Even if they did delete his tweet, it is their platform and they should be free to do as they feel fit. The free market can sort the rest of it out. Or at least that is what I thought we conservatives use to think. Maybe Trump is trying to change the republican platform more than he already has?? Nahhh

Anyways, he is doing this rile up his base prior to the election. It is literally what he does for nearly everything. He makes his supporters feel like they are the victims and need to stand up and he acts like he is coming to their rescue. Sometimes he is, but most of the time it is just for show.

I mean we are talking about it here so I guess I am helping him get what he wants. He is a master of misdirection.

There is no free market when it comes to social media. Facebook owns everything except Twitter and no one seems to do anything about it everytime they buy up a competitor.

I'd say that is a separate issue altogether. It could be valid but I don't know enough about the legality of monopolies and such. At first glance I don't think Facebook would be considered one but maybe your onto something.

That doesn't give the government the right to put into place any kind of fairness doctrine. I hated the idea when the democrats pushed it out there in regards to conservative radio and I hate the idea of a republican doing the same thing, this time with social media.

[RubberMallet]

Twitter is not bound by the 1st amendment as its not a gvt entity. Its free to govern its platform as it sees fit.

Philosophically, there is the question of when an entity becomes a large monopoly , is it bound by the concept of the 1st amendment? twitter, youtube, facebook all sit in this seat.

I feel like these companies have no social duty to abide by the 1st amendment. their duty is to their employees and shareholders.

fact checking the fact checkers is likely to be the biggest to do about this. the guy in charge of it for twitter has already been shown to be wholly partisan and so suspicion this will squeeze conservative thought is prudent.

thats the problem with partisanship. its not a concept of one opinion vs another, its i'm right you are wrong. statistics can easily be interpreted to suit your argument. The other issue that arises is that there is soooo much misinformation that it would be impossible to cover it all. even among blue check marks.

Trump can affect twitter way more by leaving the platform than he can creating some executive order that will be rolled back at some point either by the next president or the courts.

[chris leedlelee]

Twitter is not bound by the 1st amendment as its not a gvt entity. Its free to govern its platform as it sees fit.

The online sphere is the new 21st century "public square". If free speech isn't allowed there, Silicon Valley will continue to socially engineer the next generation and stifle all dissent. Because the current free speech companies have a monopoly, they have a First Amendment obligation to allow for free speech because what they constitute is the public square now.

[Yacht Rock]

The different is that it's the platforms themselves that want to govern their environment how they see fit.

Nothing is stopping you from creating a platform and using it as you see fit.

I thought conservatives supported businesses getting make decisions for themselves and exercise their own first amendment rights as a business?

[rhezick]

Speaking of sharing things on twitter... can anyone tell me how Trump retweeting this is remotely defensible? https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/presid ... -democrat/

Short version - Couy Griffin, who is a county commissioner in New Mexico, stated that "I've come to a place where I've come to the conclusion that the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat. I don't say that in the physical sense, and I can already see where the videos getting edited where it says I want to go murder Democrats," Griffin continues. "No. I say that in the political sense because the Democrat agenda and policy is anti-American right now."

I literally don't get it. But maybe it's all fake news and this guy actually said....Jesus is awesome! Gosh dang, fooled by the left wing media again!

[Jonathan Carone]

Speaking of the first amendment, we’ve now had a black reporter and his camera crew arrested by police in Minnesota for covering the riots.

[thepostman]

He was part of CNN so that is fake news anyways so no harm done.

I'm obviously being facetious but this is the kind of dangerous logic spewing that rheteoic will cause.

I have purposefully avoided the race discussion on here because I'm fairly certain it wouldn't go well but the president just needs to take a Twitter break. Nothing good happens after midnight and his tweet shortly after midnight about Minneapolis is proof of that.

And now I've opened the floodgates....

[Purple Haize]

I have watched 0 coverage of the riots in MN. I did see a CNN crew got arrested but didn’t see any specifics as to why. I mean they have to abide by laws even if the looters are not. I’m not sure what their arrest has to do with Trump but like I said, I’ve watched 0 coverage and only saw the headline

[Jonathan Carone]

Watch the video. The reporter repeatedly asks the police where they would like him to go to stand. He had also on previous reports commended the police for deescalating tensions. He identified himself and the crew multiple times. The state police then tweeted the crew was released once they were confirmed to be members of the media, even though they'd already identified themselves multiple times. This all happened on live tv.

[Jonathan Carone]