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#542864
:cheerleader :pbjtime :clapping

Seriously. Alabama is still a conservative, evangelical and deeply religious state. We will vote for republicans most every time as long as the party puts up decent candidates. This candidate was morally flawed way before the issue of who he dated came up. Folks in AL had mostly made up their minds before the latest allegations ever came up. I am proud of my state and proud of the republicans and independents who would normally make this a 30 point victory who voted their conscience and their Christian faith based values above all else. They might have saved the party.
#542869
ALAFlamesFan wrote::cheerleader :pbjtime :clapping

Seriously. Alabama is still a conservative, evangelical and deeply religious state. We will vote for republicans most every time as long as the party puts up decent candidates. This candidate was morally flawed way before the issue of who he dated came up. Folks in AL had mostly made up their minds before the latest allegations ever came up. I am proud of my state and proud of the republicans and independents who would normally make this a 30 point victory who voted their conscience and their Christian faith based values above all else. They might have saved the party.
It’s a two edged sword though. The people of your State voted to put Moore up for the seat in the first place. So now you are proud of those same people for putting someone in office that thinks abortion is ok right up until the child is delivered.
What is there to be proud of?
#542873
Voter turnout for the primaries was 15 percent. Those 15 percent probably voted again yesterday but overall turnout was 40 percent for this election. That is crazy high for a special election.
I am proud because the my peers, we who almost always would vote straight republican, weighed the options and said we will not let a man who swore to uphold the law, twice was removed for not following the law. A man who pandered to our faith and quoted scripture but but brought out the worst in us, the intolerant and unloving, the sterotypes and strawman arguments. You have to live in this state to realize what a phoney this guy has been. I wont go into all the issues with his character but leave the latest accusations out of it and just do a little research into it.

As for Jones, i am not thrilled about him. He would not be my first choice in a normal race but in politics you have to be a little bit pragmatic. The abortion issue is a non-starter. He is not going to be voting on abortion in the next 3 years. I doubt it will even be a topic. But he will be talking about how to bring people together, how to provide jobs and improve peoples lives. His election will provide a discussion topic of how to compromise, meet in the middle, and bring decency and civility back to our politics. Moore was not worthy of the christian's vote. He mocked us and tried to play us for ignorant fools.

I am not a democrat. I have never voted for a democrat in my life before today but I do not want my party or more importantly, my faith, represented by Roy Moore.
#542880
Purple Haize wrote:
ALAFlamesFan wrote::cheerleader :pbjtime :clapping

Seriously. Alabama is still a conservative, evangelical and deeply religious state. We will vote for republicans most every time as long as the party puts up decent candidates. This candidate was morally flawed way before the issue of who he dated came up. Folks in AL had mostly made up their minds before the latest allegations ever came up. I am proud of my state and proud of the republicans and independents who would normally make this a 30 point victory who voted their conscience and their Christian faith based values above all else. They might have saved the party.
It’s a two edged sword though. The people of your State voted to put Moore up for the seat in the first place. So now you are proud of those same people for putting someone in office that thinks abortion is ok right up until the child is delivered.
What is there to be proud of?
Exactly. Rather than pride we should be mourning that our country has fallen to the point that probably the most conservative state in the union could not bring a candidate to an election who has both the moral and ethical character that I or any other Christian could be proud to vote for.
#542883
ALAFlamesFan wrote:Voter turnout for the primaries was 15 percent. Those 15 percent probably voted again yesterday but overall turnout was 40 percent for this election. That is crazy high for a special election.
I am proud because the my peers, we who almost always would vote straight republican, weighed the options and said we will not let a man who swore to uphold the law, twice was removed for not following the law. A man who pandered to our faith and quoted scripture but but brought out the worst in us, the intolerant and unloving, the sterotypes and strawman arguments. You have to live in this state to realize what a phoney this guy has been. I wont go into all the issues with his character but leave the latest accusations out of it and just do a little research into it.

As for Jones, i am not thrilled about him. He would not be my first choice in a normal race but in politics you have to be a little bit pragmatic. The abortion issue is a non-starter. Hie is not going to be voting on abortion in the next 3 years. I doubt it will even be a topic. But he will be talking about how to bring people together, how to provide jobs and improve peoples lives. His election will provide a discussion topic of how to compromise, meet in the middle, and bring decency and civility back to our politics. Moore was not worthy of the christian's vote. He mocked us and tried to play us for ignorant fools.

I am not a democrat. I have never voted for a democrat in my life before today but I do not want my party or more importantly, my faith, represented by Roy Moore.
Your post just re emphasis my point. You are making excuses that only 15% showed up in the Primaries. How can you take pride in that? Your Party WAS Represented by Moore You don’t want Moore to represent you but instead voted for someone that is antithetical to so many core Christian beliefs.
You say Abortion is a non issue. Ok. He will be voting on a SCOTUS if the opportunity arises. THAT might play into a bigger issue. And by the same token IF the allegations of Moore are true do you really believe he would have put forth legislation supported by NAMBLA? You say you need to be pragmatic in Politics. I totally agree. Voting for someone who is opposed to policies I support is not pragmatic
You make Jones sound like some sort of political White Knight. That he will vote for the People of Alabama instead of the Democratic Party. Good luck with that. Roy Moore would have voted for Trumps agenda for better or worse and Doug Jones will vote along Democrat lines for better or worse.
The good thing is that Alabama has 2 years to try again
#542903
Purple Haize wrote:
ALAFlamesFan wrote:Voter turnout for the primaries was 15 percent. Those 15 percent probably voted again yesterday but overall turnout was 40 percent for this election. That is crazy high for a special election.
I am proud because the my peers, we who almost always would vote straight republican, weighed the options and said we will not let a man who swore to uphold the law, twice was removed for not following the law. A man who pandered to our faith and quoted scripture but but brought out the worst in us, the intolerant and unloving, the sterotypes and strawman arguments. You have to live in this state to realize what a phoney this guy has been. I wont go into all the issues with his character but leave the latest accusations out of it and just do a little research into it.

As for Jones, i am not thrilled about him. He would not be my first choice in a normal race but in politics you have to be a little bit pragmatic. The abortion issue is a non-starter. Hie is not going to be voting on abortion in the next 3 years. I doubt it will even be a topic. But he will be talking about how to bring people together, how to provide jobs and improve peoples lives. His election will provide a discussion topic of how to compromise, meet in the middle, and bring decency and civility back to our politics. Moore was not worthy of the christian's vote. He mocked us and tried to play us for ignorant fools.

I am not a democrat. I have never voted for a democrat in my life before today but I do not want my party or more importantly, my faith, represented by Roy Moore.
Your post just re emphasis my point. You are making excuses that only 15% showed up in the Primaries. How can you take pride in that? Your Party WAS Represented by Moore You don’t want Moore to represent you but instead voted for someone that is antithetical to so many core Christian beliefs.
You say Abortion is a non issue. Ok. He will be voting on a SCOTUS if the opportunity arises. THAT might play into a bigger issue. And by the same token IF the allegations of Moore are true do you really believe he would have put forth legislation supported by NAMBLA? You say you need to be pragmatic in Politics. I totally agree. Voting for someone who is opposed to policies I support is not pragmatic
You make Jones sound like some sort of political White Knight. That he will vote for the People of Alabama instead of the Democratic Party. Good luck with that. Roy Moore would have voted for Trumps agenda for better or worse and Doug Jones will vote along Democrat lines for better or worse.
The good thing is that Alabama has 2 years to try again
That title seems more fitting of Moore.
#542951
The fact is a vote for Doug Jones is a vote for liberal values. I totally get not wanting to support Moore. I would have wrote someone in.
#543073
Purple Haize wrote:So now you are proud of those same people for putting someone in office that thinks abortion is ok right up until the child is delivered.
This is a lie according to this Politifact article posted on AL.com

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/1 ... s_not.html
Our ruling

Kayla Moore said Jones is for full-term abortion.

The language of the abortion debate is imprecise, but the phrase "full-term abortion" had virtually no track-record before Moore said it.

Jones said he supports laws that allow abortions after 20 weeks or so of gestation, commonly known as late-term abortions, to protect a mother's life or health. He hasn't addressed a situation that, in the view of a leading medical researcher, doesn't exist in practice.

Moore measured Jones against a term that is disconnected from reality. We rate this claim False.
#543074
I'll be the first to admit I don't know anything about each person's political beliefs (other than the abortion thin with Jones now), just glad to see someone like Roy Moore was not elected. He is a cancer to America, and a person like him has no business being in a leadership position of any sort.
#543550
Just to poke the bear a little, I'm curious if anyone believes as Mr. Moore does that the race isn't over. He hasn't conceded, despite the face that the results will be ratified in 2 days and Trump has said it's over. Are we still doing the whole fake news thing on this?
#543551
rhezick wrote:Just to poke the bear a little, I'm curious if anyone believes as Mr. Moore does that the race isn't over. He hasn't conceded, despite the face that the results will be ratified in 2 days and Trump has said it's over. Are we still doing the whole fake news thing on this?
Poke? Let’s kick it in the nads...... what if there is a ‘last minute surprise ‘? You’ve got video purportedly showing people NOT from Alabama voting. What if one of Mores operatives can find enough evidence to convince a judge? Or a ratifier? That would be FUN! Let chaos reign!
#545009
So now we have Graham, Perkins, et al giving Trump a mulligan for adultery, and paying said porn star off right before the election...

Evangelical leader Franklin Graham defended President Trump against reports that he had an extramarital affair with porn star Stormy Daniels in 2006,
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#545010
Not to be outdone, Jr tweets today:

The most striking take yet, however, came from Jerry Falwell Jr., president of evangelical Liberty University. He defended the president by arguing that Christian ethics and American politics should be kept separate. Thursday, Falwell tweeted:


@JerryFalwellJr
Jesus said love our neighbors as ourselves but never told Caesar how to run Rome-he never said Roman soldiers should turn the other cheek in battle or that Caesar should allow all the barbarians to be Roman citizens or that Caesar should tax the rich to help poor. That’s our job.




Your entire Wealth is built on mixing religion and politics, and trying to shove your version of religion down the throats of America...
#545011
I don't disagree in theory with Jr on this one. I don't hold my president to the same morality of ethics as I hold my pastor. If the extra marital affair didn't impact his ability to do his job, it's not a huge deal to me. I'd say the same thing about Clinton, Kennedy, or anyone else who has an affair. If said pastor claims to be a Christian then yes, I'll hold him to those standards. But no one thinks Trump is a Christian.
#545017
I'm a firm believer that if you can't be faithful to your wife/family then there is little reason for me to believe you'd be faithful to any of the reasons I'd want you in office. That's where it matters for me. If you can't handle your marriage in an honest way, you haven't earned my support for helping run the country.
#545018
dbackjon wrote:Not to be outdone, Jr tweets today:

The most striking take yet, however, came from Jerry Falwell Jr., president of evangelical Liberty University. He defended the president by arguing that Christian ethics and American politics should be kept separate. Thursday, Falwell tweeted:


@JerryFalwellJr
Jesus said love our neighbors as ourselves but never told Caesar how to run Rome-he never said Roman soldiers should turn the other cheek in battle or that Caesar should allow all the barbarians to be Roman citizens or that Caesar should tax the rich to help poor. That’s our job.




Your entire Wealth is built on mixing religion and politics, and trying to shove your version of religion down the throats of America...
That's the biggest frustration with folks like him, they become giant hypocrites about our relationship as Christians with the government the moment someone they agree with is in power.
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