[RubberMallet]

what is also absurd is that "rape and incest crimes" offers no real insight into degrees of severity. Its just "OH HAI LOOK HE SHOULD OF HAD HIS SON KILLED DUR DURR DURR"

that this type of family is more dangerous than those they want to deny rights to is laughable.

[thepostman]

Yeah, they're terrible people.

I daresay that they are a bigger threat to children than the LGBT crowd they so love to "warn," people about.

I don't get what you're trying to do here. I mean I understand you are gay and have a slight bias but it doesn't matter if they are gay or straight or some high profile christian family, this kind of thing is terrible and to use tragic events as a platform to spew your political rhetoric is disgraceful. The Christian church does that kind of thing all the time too and I am even more critical when they use tragedy to push an agenda.

You're better than that man.

[RubberMallet]

WAIT HES GAY!!?!!?1

[adam42381]

[jinxy]

So i could probably google it and filter through articles and find the answer but is the extent of what he did known? I think that plays a big part in this. I mean he was clearly in the wrong but if he was truly saved and restore then what else was he supposed to do at this point. I dont see many people lining up to air their dirty laundry from a decade ago. Again i dont know how far he went but that has to be a huge factor in this. So the cop was arrested for child porn and gave his interview from prison I mean wow. This whole story is just sad.

[ATrain]

Yeah, they're terrible people.

I daresay that they are a bigger threat to children than the LGBT crowd they so love to "warn," people about.

I don't get what you're trying to do here. I mean I understand you are gay and have a slight bias but it doesn't matter if they are gay or straight or some high profile christian family, this kind of thing is terrible and to use tragic events as a platform to spew your political rhetoric is disgraceful. The Christian church does that kind of thing all the time too and I am even more critical when they use tragedy to push an agenda.

You're better than that man.

Its not political, its personal. When one, and both Josh and his mother have, accuse an ENTIRE GROUP of people of being a danger just b/c of who they are, especially when they have committed the EXACT CRIME AND THEN COVERED IT UP that they say people like me are at an increased risk of committing, I have a HUGE issue with it. My husband and I want to adopt one day, and the Duggars have practically done everything in there power to stop us from being able to. So yeah, I'm going to be extremely hard on them for their hypocrisy, especially when reading about abuse in medical/counseling records is a daily part of my job.

[thepostman]

I understand it's personal but using tragedy to move forward that personal agenda is weak and I still believe you're better than that. You can make your point quite easily without doing that.

[JK37]

ATRAIN, I think you have every right to call out their hypocrisy. That part of this really sickens me. They covered up something done to their own daughters. I don't know him, and have never watched their TV show. But, I don't understand how a man and father who treats his daughters that way can even look in the mirror and call himself a man.

The only other point I'll make about your post is this: the issue I have is with the phrase "who we are." Your sexuality is not the whole of who you are. Furthermore, a more accurate phrase than "who we are" is "what we choose to do." To act upon homosexual impulses or temptations is just as much a choice as it is to act upon heterosexual ones. I'm making the point because Politically active homosexuals sensationalize themselves with such phrases as "who we are". To me, they hurt their cause by denigrating themselves into single-issue personhood. And it's not even accurate.

[thepostman]

Calling out hypocrisy is one thing, using it as a platform to advance an agenda is never ok. Which is what my point is. There is plenty of other angles ATrain could use to better argue for his personal cause.

[Yacht Rock]

One of the biggest mistakes people make these days is assume that because one person is a hypocrite, liar, etc any issue they stood for is invalidated.

When someone is a hypocrite they may become an untrustworthy source of information but it would be a huge leap in logic to assume that anything they took a stance on was factually incorrect.

In fact, to say that the actions of one person or a minority defines the larger narrative of an issue sounds similar to the stuff A-Train is railing against.

Either way, arguing from this point of view is a losing battle. Make your argument on its own merits with factual data and not based on this family tragedy. I am sure as a Christian there are things that this family took a stance on that you or I would agree with. Their actions don't all of a sudden define whether or not anything they said was true or false. One is not related to the other.

[JK37]

But ATRAIN wasn't using one narrative to define another separate issue or all of them. This is a group of people guilty of committing or covering up the very act they decry a different group for.

[Yacht Rock]

But ATRAIN wasn't using one narrative to define another separate issue or all of them. This is a group of people guilty of committing or covering up the very act they decry a different group for.

Which qualifies them as a hypocrite and nothing else. It doesn't mean they are more or less dangerous than the LGBT community, which is what he was trying to spin.

The danger the LGBT community may or may not have on children is a separate issue and has nothing to do with Duggar's actions.

I think we all agree the dude's a hypocrite and his approach represents problems that exist both in the church and in families.

[JK37]

Agreed.

[bballfan84]

josh duggar should be castrated..plain and simple

[ATrain]

josh duggar should be castrated..plain and simple

And/or forced to register as a sex offender.

[ALUmnus]

josh duggar should be castrated..plain and simple

I don't think it's that plain, or simple. I personally think there is a place for that, but you don't even know the whole situation, none of us do.

[Purple Haize]

josh duggar should be castrated..plain and simple

I don't think it's that plain, or simple. I personally think there is a place for that, but you don't even know the whole situation, none of us do.

There's a Bruce Jenner joke there......

[Yacht Rock]

josh duggar should be castrated..plain and simple

And the prison choir has been looking for sopranos. Two birds. One stone.

[bballfan84]

josh duggar should be castrated..plain and simple

I don't think it's that plain, or simple. I personally think there is a place for that, but you don't even know the whole situation, none of us do.

I just think people that commit sexual crimes against kids dont deserve a second chance and not worth the risk since it is likely to happen again..apparently this happened on multiple occassions over a 2-3 year time period

[RubberMallet]

and he was technically a child when it took place i believe. thank God there are many sins i committed as a child that i'm still not paying for.

Your premise is absurd and certainly discounts God's ability to heal ones heart.

[Purple Haize]

and he was technically a child when it took place i believe. thank God there are many sins i committed as a child that i'm still not paying for.

Your premise is absurd and certainly discounts God's ability to heal ones heart.

I think that fact is being over looked. Some of you are closer to remembering that age. In listening to the parents I'm sorta starting to side with them. But again I have no other background on these people

[bballfan84]

and he was technically a child when it took place i believe. thank God there are many sins i committed as a child that i'm still not paying for.

Your premise is absurd and certainly discounts God's ability to heal ones heart.

I just dont think its worth the risk of ruining other childrens innocence..this is hardly some little silly sin you committed when you were a kid...he was 15 hardly a child

[SuperJon]

and he was technically a child when it took place i believe. thank God there are many sins i committed as a child that i'm still not paying for.

Your premise is absurd and certainly discounts God's ability to heal ones heart.

This is where I'm landing. According to the law, Josh was a juvenile when he committed the crime. Because of that, I don't believe he should be registered as a sex offender. I absolutely hate the cover up, but Josh was a kid by law.

[ATrain]

We hold kids accountable as adults for other crimes, why not this one?

[Purple Haize]

and he was technically a child when it took place i believe. thank God there are many sins i committed as a child that i'm still not paying for.

Your premise is absurd and certainly discounts God's ability to heal ones heart.

This is where I'm landing. According to the law, Josh was a juvenile when he committed the crime. Because of that, I don't believe he should be registered as a sex offender. I absolutely hate the cover up, but Josh was a kid by law.

What cover up? If his Juvenile records should have been kept sealed then it's not really a cover up. His parents took him to people and places to get help with the issues. (I would say bring 1 of 19 kids may have something to do with it). Studies show that kids who engage in this type of behavior eventually move on with no other issues. He did not rape them etc, 'just' inappropriately touched them. This does not a Pedophile make.

To really stir the pot, the officer who the Duggar's reported to is spending time in prison on child pornography charges.
To also stir the pot, he was a minor when the incident happened but 18 when it was reported.

Talk amongst yourselves, I'm feeling veclempt