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The New School: How the Information Age Will Save American Education

Glenn Reynolds talked about his book, The New School: How the Information Age Will Save American Education from Itself, in which he argues that Americans need to start looking for alternatives to our public and higher education systems, which he argues are either subpar, too expensive, or both. He proposed a multipronged approach made up of charter and private schools and online education. Mr. Reynolds spoke at an event in New York City hosted by The Manhattan Institute.

Very interesting, watched it on C-Span .... In the future there might be a handful of large elite Colleges, Community Colleges / Vocational Schools, and a handful of Religious based universities to prosper. The rest could struggle.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?317170-1/TheNewSc

A la carte elementary & secondary education has already started to hit the grad school market and undergrad is next in line.

Sly Fox wrote:A la carte elementary & secondary education has already started to hit the grad school market and undergrad is next in line.

I think this is part of Sen. Mike Lee's education proposal in the higher ed sector. That, and getting rid of national/regional accredidation and going to state-by-state accredidation.

TH Spangler wrote:The New School: How the Information Age Will Save American Education

Glenn Reynolds talked about his book, The New School: How the Information Age Will Save American Education from Itself, in which he argues that Americans need to start looking for alternatives to our public and higher education systems, which he argues are either subpar, too expensive, or both. He proposed a multipronged approach made up of charter and private schools and online education. Mr. Reynolds spoke at an event in New York City hosted by The Manhattan Institute.

Very interesting, watched it on C-Span .... In the future there might be a handful of large elite Colleges, Community Colleges / Vocational Schools, and a handful of Religious based universities to prosper. The rest could struggle.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?317170-1/TheNewSc

Charter schools are publicly funded, that makes them public schools.

The educational value out of many of these charter schools is downright deplorable and are teaching in direct violation of Constitutional law. Also, many private schools that accept tax-funded vouchers or scholarships are also teaching in direction violation of Constitutional law.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_an ... ement.html
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_an ... tives.html

If a school can't even abide by the Constitution, how are we to expect they can properly educate anyone?

Don't turn this into a creationism debate, it's a red herring for this topic.

I better be ready to look for another job!

After listening to him I figure Liberty is well positioned, Religious and already light years ahead of other in online offerings.

ALUmnus wrote:Don't turn this into a creationism debate, it's a red herring for this topic.

responsive ed is one of our largest customers they teach ID as a possible theory. those articles are stupid.

lynchburgwildcats wrote: Charter schools are publicly funded, that makes them public schools.

The educational value out of many of these charter schools is downright deplorable

This should be fun .... http://cjonline.com/blog-post/contra-mu ... -nye-feb-4

TH Spangler wrote:

lynchburgwildcats wrote: Charter schools are publicly funded, that makes them public schools.

The educational value out of many of these charter schools is downright deplorable

This should be fun .... http://cjonline.com/blog-post/contra-mu ... -nye-feb-4

Oh man, I am going to have to watch this.

RubberMallet wrote:

ALUmnus wrote:Don't turn this into a creationism debate, it's a red herring for this topic.

responsive ed is one of our largest customers they teach ID as a possible theory. those articles are stupid.

Clearly you did not read past the headline if all you think it is about is creationism. Additionally, Federal District Court has ruled that ID is still Creationism and can not be taught due to the Supreme Court establishing teaching Creationism as unconstitutional. Regardless of if they are teaching "true" Creationism or Intelligent Design (aka Creationism), they are receiving government funds and are therefore are using unconstitutional teaching practices and classroom curriculum.

Saying they are not teaching Creationism but instead Intelligent Design is like saying a person isn't Christian but a Protestant. A Protestant is still a Christian, Intelligent Design is still Creationsim.

I frankly do not care if one believes in Creationism or not, these schools are illegally teaching, how is one to expect their child to receive a legitimately quality education if they can't abide by the laws? What other illegal, immoral, or unethical things are they doing that we don't even know about?

lynchburgwildcats wrote:Oh man, I am going to have to watch this.

Enjoy! Wish the LU basketball game wasn't on in HD at the same time. Guess I'll have to set the DVR.

lynchburgwildcats, there was also a time when the Supreme Court ruled slavery as constitutional?

Would you agree that if a school taught that slavery was wrong, that they would be horrible for doing so?

Not everyone worships at the alter of the decisions of the Supreme Court. I applaud a school for pushing the law to it's limits. There have been a lot of crazy Supreme Court decisions over the years and "possibly" flying awry of one decision does not = a poor education.

That just reflects a lack of critical thinking. Perhaps you have an ax to grind against I.D. which is what it sounds like.

lynchburgwildcats wrote:

RubberMallet wrote:

ALUmnus wrote:Don't turn this into a creationism debate, it's a red herring for this topic.

responsive ed is one of our largest customers they teach ID as a possible theory. those articles are stupid.

Clearly you did not read past the headline if all you think it is about is creationism. Additionally, Federal District Court has ruled that ID is still Creationism and can not be taught due to the Supreme Court establishing teaching Creationism as unconstitutional. Regardless of if they are teaching "true" Creationism or Intelligent Design (aka Creationism), they are receiving government funds and are therefore are using unconstitutional teaching practices and classroom curriculum.

Saying they are not teaching Creationism but instead Intelligent Design is like saying a person isn't Christian but a Protestant. A Protestant is still a Christian, Intelligent Design is still Creationsim.

I frankly do not care if one believes in Creationism or not, these schools are illegally teaching, how is one to expect their child to receive a legitimately quality education if they can't abide by the laws? What other illegal, immoral, or unethical things are they doing that we don't even know about?

l.o.l.

TH Spangler wrote:

lynchburgwildcats wrote: Charter schools are publicly funded, that makes them public schools.

The educational value out of many of these charter schools is downright deplorable

This should be fun .... http://cjonline.com/blog-post/contra-mu ... -nye-feb-4

i cringe at this debate. neither are seemingly qualified to debate philosophy which is what these always end up appealing to. ham's biology is silly, nye is like a mechanical engineer.

RubberMallet wrote:

TH Spangler wrote:

lynchburgwildcats wrote: Charter schools are publicly funded, that makes them public schools.

The educational value out of many of these charter schools is downright deplorable

This should be fun .... http://cjonline.com/blog-post/contra-mu ... -nye-feb-4

i cringe at this debate. neither are seemingly qualified to debate philosophy which is what these always end up appealing to. ham's biology is silly, nye is like a mechanical engineer.

And the debate is completely useless. No one is going to change their belief over some debate on the internet, especially when one of the debaters is a whackjob young earth creationist and the other is known for basically nothing more than being a children's show scientist.

In case you missed it .... http://debatelive.org/

Over 2 hours? Good lord there must have been a lot of propaganda being tossed around.

I frankly do not care if one believes in Creationism or not, these schools are illegally teaching, how is one to expect their child to receive a legitimately quality education if they can't abide by the laws? What other illegal, immoral, or unethical things are they doing that we don't even know about?

Teaching an alternative theory about the creation, or accident (for you) of our universe is a crime that calls into question an institutions ability to provide a quality education? Man... that's a stretch. I seem to remember learning that most kids in the early days of the U.S. were taught to read using the Bible because that was the only readily available book that most families had access to. I wonder what you would make of them and their education?

You have too much faith in government schools for my taste.

I thought it was good debate, very civil. I'm comfortable with the "gap theory". Lots of overlap if you are comfortable with that. I thought Ken made a better case for ID than Bill did for the big bang.

of course you did. because its what you agree with. ken did not go on the offensive enough. im not a big fan of yec. i think its too literal and ken tries to cram science into his predetermined outcome/interpretation.

he could of easily destroyed nye. but instead they talked about the frikking ark.

Humble_Opinion wrote:

I frankly do not care if one believes in Creationism or not, these schools are illegally teaching, how is one to expect their child to receive a legitimately quality education if they can't abide by the laws? What other illegal, immoral, or unethical things are they doing that we don't even know about?

Teaching an alternative theory about the creation, or accident (for you) of our universe is a crime that calls into question an institutions ability to provide a quality education? Man... that's a stretch. I seem to remember learning that most kids in the early days of the U.S. were taught to read using the Bible because that was the only readily available book that most families had access to. I wonder what you would make of them and their education?

You have too much faith in government schools for my taste.

The education of the single-room school house prairie folk does not apply in 2014. That is just a ridiculously ignorant and irrelevant statement.

Yep and education designed and enforced by our wonderful government is really top-notch. We're churning out millions of kids who think for themselves and can make independent decisions about what they think is best. Cookie cutter schooling is destroying our future.

creationism isnt why public school children cant science their way out of a preserved piglet. that was nyes problem. thats basically what he blamed why the US is being spanke by everyone in sciences. if only the evidence backed that up. The US is falling behind because the majority of children are in toxic learning evironments.

lynchburgwildcats wrote: The education of the single-room school house prairie folk does not apply in 2014. That is just a ridiculously ignorant and irrelevant statement.

It does apply if you had the sense to research and understand just how much more advanced those "prairie folk" were in terms of advanced literacy and comprehension skills. Coming from someone who worked and coached at a public high school, let me tell you that the real issues surrounding our education system start at home and are further degraded by big government agendas and teacher's unions in the schools. Progressives have controlled the purse and policy strings of public education for nearly a century and year after year we spend more money with poorer results.