[NotAJerry]

No major media outlet, even Fox News, has reported on this issue so far. Meanwhile, there are 41 reports that have come out about the Rutgers basketball situation.

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[RubberMallet]

what a stupid stupid civilization we currently reside in. we are so enamoured with the idea of personal freedom, so captivated with the supposed "rights" of individuals, so scared of telling anyone else what is right or wrong, that things like, "I DIDNT KNOW SNIPPING THE NECK OF A LIVING BREATHING HUMAN WAS MURDER" come out of the mouth of a person.

[LUconn]

I've been catching tidbits of testimony over the last week or so and it is just horrifying stuff. It's like a Rob Zombie movie, only with babies.

[ALUmnus]

And like with most cases, this is just the guy who got caught. I'm sure there are others, including some that we're currently paying for:

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[Kolzilla41]

I've been keeping up with this story for the last couple of months and it makes me sick to my stomach. One of the worst parts is the nurse giving testimony that she heard one of the babies cry and shriek following the botched abortion.

[Purple Haize]

And like with most cases, this is just the guy who got caught. I'm sure there are others, including some that we're currently paying for:

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I think the panel member makes a point that the speaker or for that matter lots of abortion rights folks don't take into account. That is, once the fetus is viable and especially out of the womb WHO is the patient

[jbock13]

It's all the consequence of sin. Think about how far we've come in justifying it when we seriously have people arguing that an unborn child is not really a human. Just as Adam said to God after he ate the apple in the garden and tried to pass the blame off to Eve, it's the exact same thing we're doing to this very day, even some so-called Christians. Because we know that the taking of innocent human life is wrong, we somehow convince ourselves that babies really aren't human.

I understand this from a depraved world. But even worse, many Christians will defend it by some form of a social gospel. If a person claims to be Christian is pro-abortion, he is not a Christian. Read the classics, such as John Locke, and this will be rather apparent.

Sorry my comments had nothing to do with the story but just a rant.

[thepostman]

Any person, Christian or not, that justifies this form of abortion is simply not human. I am as pro-life as it gets, and find it all disgusting but this surpasses all of that. But this is absolutely evil.

Makes me sick to my stomach

[Yacht Rock]

I agree. It makes me sick to my stomach.

It breaks my heart that there are people so lost and have been fed the lie that an unborn baby is not a person.

The argument for abortion is so untenable I don't understand, from a logical perspective, how someone can defend it. I have found when asking these questions, you typically get no answer.

1. If abortion is only about someone's right to their own body, do you think people who attempt suicide should be taken to mental healthcare professionals? After all, aren't they only exercising their own right? Furthermore, if someone you loved was into self mutilation, would you think that was okay? Let's say they cut off their thumb because it got in the way too often. Would you consider that a normal, okay thing to do?

2. Assuming that you are correct, and the reason that an unborn baby is not a life is because it cannot survive outside of the womb, what then of babies after they are born? If I left a newborn in my living room for a few weeks, with no one to take care of him, would he be okay? Does his inability to survive outside of the womb without any external help make him not alive also?

3. If you, or your significant other, got pregnant and actually welcomed the pregnancy, would you smoke, drink, do drugs, while pregnant? Why not? How does your preference change the reality of what is inside of you?

In the end, the number of women and men touched by this subject is sad. It is true that it is a reflection of our lost world.

I can't think of any greater worship of continued death than that of abortion. Breaks my heart.

[RubberMallet]

if i'm agnostic or an atheist, i have no problem justifying the use of abortion as population control and atom/matter reorganization.

[Purple Haize]

if i'm agnostic or an atheist, i have no problem justifying the use of abortion as population control and atom/matter reorganization.

Population control isn't confined to Agnostics or Atheists. You can make solid anti abortion arguments without bringing any type of religion into it at all.

[RubberMallet]

if i'm agnostic or an atheist, i have no problem justifying the use of abortion as population control and atom/matter reorganization.

Population control isn't confined to Agnostics or Atheists. You can make solid anti abortion arguments without bringing any type of religion into it at all.

just implying the typical respondant. really without any ground in some level of finite morality, an argument can be made for prebirth or even post birth infanticide.

i'll admit that a few years ago, i was prolife but otherwise didn't think much about it. as we see more and more of these stories arise (who knows if we will though....remember, the fbi was only investigating abuse of prescription drugs) its made me much more callous and furious at the idea of abortion.

[Purple Haize]

Being atheist or agnostic does not mean you have no moral base

[jbock13]

Being atheist or agnostic does not mean you have no moral base

Agree. But I assume his point is that there is no moral guide of natural law of which to base a system of ethics.

I was once agnostic but lived a mostly clean life.

[RubberMallet]

Being atheist or agnostic does not mean you have no moral base

you might not think you do, but you essentially dont. all the great atheistic/agnostic thinkers eventually came to grips with this simple fact. you can attempt to be moral all you'd like, but in the end, its all meaningless. the titanic went down and people died either way....whether they were hugging or mugging. all response, all behavior is chemical.

[Yacht Rock]

I do think that it is possible for atheists to be pro life, but in the end, their morality is relative to what is okay in society, for the most part. In the end, most atheists or agnostics I know simply try to make everything a logical argument. As I demonstrated from my questions, I think there is quite a bit more of a logical argument to being pro life than there is for being pro abortion.