A Sea Of Red

Figured I'd start this four years early for you guys.

Have fun.

You're right.

will the republicans put someone out there that is actually somewhat likable??

Probably not

Chris Christie but he's not as religious or extreme as some pubs would like.

Christie is Obama lite.

Ron Paul 2016!

and this is way republicans are going to have a hard time

Gary Johnson? Oh wait, he's a libertarian now.

As long as the GOP continues to ignore, dismiss and hope that the Libertarian contingent will just go away, they will lose. If they couldn't get the votes after four years of an Obama administration, it's not going to happen.

El Scorcho wrote:As long as the GOP continues to ignore, dismiss and hope that the Libertarian contingent will just go away, they will lose. If they couldn't get the votes after four years of an Obama administration, it's not going to happen.

This. Think of how much Romney invested in FL and VA and he could still lose both! Republicans need to stop trying to elect theocratic leaders and start supporting the liberty movement.

Until smaller government, personal liberty, real fiscal reform, and non-interventionist foreign policy are the primary focuses of the GOP, then they have no chance.

NotAJerry wrote:Until smaller government, personal liberty, real fiscal reform, and non-interventionist foreign policy are the primary focuses of the GOP, then they have no chance.

THIS!!

just morph with the Libertarians already

ballah09 wrote:

NotAJerry wrote:Until smaller government, personal liberty, real fiscal reform, and non-interventionist foreign policy are the primary focuses of the GOP, then they have no chance.

THIS!!

just morph with the Libertarians already

Better yet, acknowledge that those principles are all conservative positions that the GOP used to stand for.

One other tidbit. The blatant cheating by the GOP to ensure that a predetermined type of candidate was nominated in the primary process must be stopped. The party is lost at this point and desperately needs to distance itself from many of the influences that have bought and paid for control of the GOP in the last 30 years.

He or she will need to appeal to single women, all minorities, college kids, gays, atheists, and career government employees. They will have to be in favor of government funded birth control pills and Viagra for all. Legalized marijuana and a nationwide gun ban. They will have to have close ties with Putin and Hu Jintao. No one comes to mind?

lol

I would love for one of you to connect the dots for me on how any of that matters given who just got elected.

I don't know if you guys get it. The so called 'Liberty Movement' is not going to win out anytime soon. Now that nearly half of the country receives some kind of government support for their general welfare spells trouble for future elections. This group of people have been bought and paid for by the Democrat Party since the 1960's, and they continue to balloon in size year-after-year.

Humble_Opinion wrote:I don't know if you guys get it. The so called 'Liberty Movement' is not going to win out anytime soon. Now that nearly half of the country receives some kind of government support for their general welfare spells trouble for future elections. This group of people have been bought and paid for by the Democrat Party since the 1960's, and they continue to balloon in size year-after-year.

It will turn around .... after the crash. http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Rand Paul 2016.

What evidence in this election shows that appealing to Libertarians would have made any difference? This is the typical "he didn't win because he didn't appeal to MEEEE!!".

I was very upbeat about the whole thing, but I guess I just listen to the wrong sources. I'm really starting to question how much of the population really is conservative, and not just because of the Presidential result, but many of the ballot measures that passed. Things are moving in a definite direction, but it's not in a Libertarian direction.

Four years from now will be very different without an incumbant running. But what I see is a much more liberal population than I thought. Republicans have to start appealing to Hispanics more, I don't see any way around it.

Conservatives and Libertarians have got to come together. The Romney campaigned alienated them, and here's the result.

I don't favor pandering to any group based on skin pigmentation. We're all Americans. And 96% of a certain pigmentation voting for one candidate should scare people. You can't even get 96% of Americans to say the sky is blue.

jbock13 wrote:Conservatives and Libertarians have got to come together. The Romney campaigned alienated them, and here's the result.

I don't favor pandering to any group based on skin pigmentation. We're all Americans. And 96% of a certain pigmentation voting for one candidate should scare people. You can't even get 96% of Americans to say the sky is blue.

Where's the evidence of this alienation? Look at the Gary Johnson vote, it was completely irrelevant. And don't tell me people just didn't vote, because the turnout doesn't validate that. And, honestly, I don't know how any "libertarian" could not vote.

The whole "we're all Americans" sounds great, but it's not much of a reality right now. People are segregated, if you want them to desegregate, you have to give them some reason to do so. You can talk about being color-blind all you want, that's to be blind to the way God created us. People group together for thousands of reasons. Let's find a common reason for MORE PEOPLE to group with us. We need MORE PEOPLE and MORE VOTES. This is politics, and the future dictates that we need Hispanics.

The fact that 96% of a certain group votes a certain way can only be explained that they've been told what to do. You're wasting your time even trying to reason with those people.

Perhaps it's insensitive but dang it I'm not scared to say it.

Whoever runs in 2016 better watch out. Joe Biden's bringing the whole load!

Purple Haize wrote:Whoever runs in 2016 better watch out. Joe Biden's bringing the whole load!

He's already blown it twice. However, he's had several years to build back his endurance. I can't wait.

The Hispanic vote is going to be key going forward and was big in this election. One of many mistakes the Republicans made was not embracing this growing voting bloc that naturally embodies conservative ideals. If the Republicans come up with a practical plan for the illegal immigrants, they could have locked down this voting bloc. Instead the democrats get it even though they hardly represent traditional Hispanic values. We don’t live in a perfect world were you can deport 10-20 million people many of whom pay taxes just because they crossed illegally. If you can’t deal with that it’s ok we can continue to keep our ideals but continue to lose every election that matters (no voting bloc is increasing as quickly as the Hispanic-American).

The GM bailout was another position handled incredible poorly by Romney’s camp. The loan worked why would you continue to be against something that worked? Romney tries to act like he wouldn’t have done the same thing when in reality the Bush administration just got done bailing out Wall Street in identical fashion. If Romney just says, “I would have given GM the loan” Ohio isn’t decided by this single issue and truly becomes a tossup. At a minimum he needed to explain the controlled bankruptcy path he semi suggested instead of allowing Obama to own this issue. The GM issue decided Ohio.

The Republicans IMO just need to get practical and deal with the hand we are dealt. We can’t afford to live as ideologues. I hope they aren’t idiots when it comes to the fiscal cliff we are facing. If we can get that issue resolved 2013 will be fine.