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#353078
http://www.scotusblog.com/2011/08/the-t ... y-arrived/
Gays and lesbians should have the same ability to experience the joys and disappointments of marriage that heterosexuals always have enjoyed. This is what the Supreme Court should hold and, I believe, will hold when the matter gets before them.
This is very unique and is the truly disappointing; however, as long dicta shows that they will allow other states to prohibit same sex marriage. This could be very interesting.
#353082
To be honest, I really don't feel the Supreme Court will ever take up the issue. Perhaps I'm naive, but to me, it's up to each individual state to decide. That's what federalism was all about. But I guess we don't follow that nowdays.
#353090
They day is going to come when same sex marriages will be recognized in all 50 states. And I predict it having no impact on how you live your life. This whole idea that SCOTUS is going to "force gay marriage," on the country is ridiculous.
#353091
ATrain wrote:They day is going to come when same sex marriages will be recognized in all 50 states. And I predict it having no impact on how you live your life. This whole idea that SCOTUS is going to "force gay marriage," on the country is ridiculous.
Not in West Virginia :P
#353097
ATrain wrote:They day is going to come when same sex marriages will be recognized in all 50 states. And I predict it having no impact on how you live your life. This whole idea that SCOTUS is going to "force gay marriage," on the country is ridiculous.
Not true. On that day there will be yucky scenes of men kissing on the news. We will all be thoroughly grossed out.
#353104
LUconn wrote:
ATrain wrote:They day is going to come when same sex marriages will be recognized in all 50 states. And I predict it having no impact on how you live your life. This whole idea that SCOTUS is going to "force gay marriage," on the country is ridiculous.
Not true. On that day there will be yucky scenes of men kissing on the news. We will all be thoroughly grossed out.
You have the option of turning the TV off :P
#353110
ATrain wrote:
LUconn wrote:
ATrain wrote:They day is going to come when same sex marriages will be recognized in all 50 states. And I predict it having no impact on how you live your life. This whole idea that SCOTUS is going to "force gay marriage," on the country is ridiculous.
Not true. On that day there will be yucky scenes of men kissing on the news. We will all be thoroughly grossed out.
You have the option of turning the TV off :P
or prepare by watching Torchwood: Miracle Day
#353127
BuryYourDuke wrote:Marriage shouldn't even be a government issue at all. It's entirely a religious construct. The government should be bound to enforce any contract between two adults.
:exactly

We messed up when we let the government issue marriage licenses, giving them control over a religious ceremony. I have absolutely no problem with civil unions, but the government should not mandate who is legitimately allowed to participate in a religious rite. If a church WANTS to marry same-sex couples, that's between them and God; the government should stay out of it. Same as if a church DOESN'T want to marry same-sex couples.

I don't think gay marriage is going to do anything to the "sanctity of marriage" that a 50% divorce rate among professing Christians hasn't already done. But I don't want to see gay couples suing churches who won't perform the ceremony either -- and that's what I worry about with the Supreme Court getting involved. Marriage will go from a religious rite to a civil right, and conservative churches will be in a position where they can be sued for refusing to perform same-sex weddings.
#353140
RubberMallet wrote:http://voxday.blogspot.com/2011/08/in-d ... acted.html
"Just as a society can survive a small percentage of immigrants, it can thrive and prosper so long as homosexuality remains aberrant and circumspect behavior."

What does immigration have to do with homosexuality? Also, a society can't survive a large influx of immigrants? Well explain to me how the USA is still around then. Every person here but the native americans [and even they may be immigrants] are either immigrants or the offspring of immigrants. Society can't survive homosexuality? Has society ceased to exist in Canada, Spain, Belgium, Sweden, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal? They allow same sex marriage...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_m ... ecognition Look at the places where homosexuality is illegal, it contains a large portion of the least educated parts of the world which also happens to contain the most notable instances of modern day terrorism and genocide. Yes, that is the type of society I want to live in :roll:

"The Slippery Slope is not a logical fallacy."
Interesting, except for the fact that statement is a lie and just thrown out there to desperately help legitimize a nonsensical blog post.
Last edited by lynchburgwildcats on August 21st, 2011, 11:30 am, edited 1 time in total.
#353148
lynchburgwildcats wrote:What does immigration have to do with homosexuality? Also, a society can't survive a large influx of immigrants? Well explain to me how the USA is still around then. Every person here but the native americans [and even they may be immigrants] are either immigrants or the offspring of immigrants.
Ask any Native American how well their society has fared since immigration began.
#353153
Sly Fox wrote:
lynchburgwildcats wrote:What does immigration have to do with homosexuality? Also, a society can't survive a large influx of immigrants? Well explain to me how the USA is still around then. Every person here but the native americans [and even they may be immigrants] are either immigrants or the offspring of immigrants.
Ask any Native American how well their society has fared since immigration began.
If the Native Americans came from other parts of the world, then they too are immigrants.

But the point is, why even bring up immigration? Immigration has absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality and connecting the two just further proves how the writer has to grasp at straws to try to prove their argument.
#353181
phoenix wrote: a 50% divorce rate among professing Christians hasn't already done.
This has already been debunked. It's not a true statistic. But it makes for good sermons.
#353199
ALUmnus wrote:
phoenix wrote: a 50% divorce rate among professing Christians hasn't already done.
This has already been debunked. It's not a true statistic. But it makes for good sermons.
It is probably higher.... :|
#353335
lynchburgwildcats wrote:
RubberMallet wrote:http://voxday.blogspot.com/2011/08/in-d ... acted.html
"Just as a society can survive a small percentage of immigrants, it can thrive and prosper so long as homosexuality remains aberrant and circumspect behavior."

What does immigration have to do with homosexuality? Also, a society can't survive a large influx of immigrants? Well explain to me how the USA is still around then. Every person here but the native americans [and even they may be immigrants] are either immigrants or the offspring of immigrants. Society can't survive homosexuality? Has society ceased to exist in Canada, Spain, Belgium, Sweden, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal? They allow same sex marriage...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_m ... ecognition Look at the places where homosexuality is illegal, it contains a large portion of the least educated parts of the world which also happens to contain the most notable instances of modern day terrorism and genocide. Yes, that is the type of society I want to live in :roll:

"The Slippery Slope is not a logical fallacy."
Interesting, except for the fact that statement is a lie and just thrown out there to desperately help legitimize a nonsensical blog post.
LOL
#353342
jmdickens wrote:
ALUmnus wrote:
phoenix wrote: a 50% divorce rate among professing Christians hasn't already done.
This has already been debunked. It's not a true statistic. But it makes for good sermons.
It is probably higher.... :|

Would it be considered irony that the reason you probably assume it's higher is the impression that very statistic has given the public?
#353364
LUconn wrote:Would it be considered irony that the reason you probably assume it's higher is the impression that very statistic has given the public?
I've read that like eight times and I'm still having trouble.
#353394
Even if you don't buy the Barna study that says 32% of born again Christians are divorced, there are plenty of other studies done that indicate that we don't hold marriage in as high a regard as we claim.
Professor Bradley Wright, a sociologist at the University of Connecticut, explains from his analysis of people who identify as Christians but rarely attend church, that 60 percent of these have been divorced. Of those who attend church regularly, 38 percent have been divorced. (quoted at http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=34656, from Bradley R.E. Wright, "Christians Are Hate-Filled Hypocrites …and Other Lies You've Been Told," (Minneapolis, MN: Bethany House, 2010), p. 133.)
So 60% of professing Christians, 38% of "serious" Christians. Yeah, my 50% was off, but not by much ;) And that quote is from a guy defending Christians, so if the numbers are skewed, they're skewed low.

Guys, I've been in too many churches where they ran out of men qualified to be deacons because of divorce to think that divorce is rare among professing Christians. I've turned down churches because the deacons wanted to re-write the church constitution to allow divorced men serve as deacons. We cannot expect anyone else to take marriage seriously when we don't.

I know there are situations where divorce is really the "best" option (infidelity). But 38% of regular churchgoers are NOT committing adultery. They just give up. And we go into marriage too casually. People ask a pastor to marry them then get insulted when he tells them they have to attend counseling sessions before he'll perform the ceremony. They don't take it seriously. Sometimes I think the real reason we're worried about gay marriage is that we're afraid they'll show us they know what a committed relationship really means better than we do.
#353397
LUconn wrote:

Would it be considered irony that the reason you probably assume it's higher is the impression that very statistic has given the public?

No, I was actually kidding; however, I am part of that statistic of professing Christians who are divorced.
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