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By A.G.
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Well, the rankings are out an LU still has a long way to go. "Virginia's Largest Private University" is still ranked as a "4th Tier" school in the south.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/colleg ... _brief.php

Now, I can say I *think* the school is making strides. Law School up and going, with real fast provisional accreditation. Certainly I hear great things about the nursing program. Nacho Haize can certainly vouch for the past in the Sport Management program. I understand that many other programs at the school have/are seeking and received national accreditations--all of which will appeal to a wide variety of students. New programs, such as the Aviation major, are also on board. Exciting times to be a Flame(s) Fan in athletics and academics, regardless of what the magazines say.
By SuperJon
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LU - 4th tier
CCU - 4th tier
CSU - 3rd tier
GWU - Master's (South), 61
HPU - Bachelor's (South), 15
RU - Master's (South), 47
UNCA - 3rd tier
VMI - Liberal Arts Colleges, 86
WU - Master's (South), 23
By A.G.
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JMU (Master's south) #2
Lynchburg college (Masters south) #44
By absturgill
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There is a nice 3 page feature article on Liberty in that magazine available now.
By A.G.
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Aug 18, 3:40 PM EDT

Virginia schools among annual magazine rankings


By The Associated Press

Twenty-two Virginia schools are listed in the latest U.S. News and World Report college rankings, led by the University of Virginia, which is ranked 24th overall.

The magazine's annual guide to "America's Best Colleges" hits newsstands Monday.

U.Va., the College and William and Mary and Virginia Tech are ranked among the top national universities. William and Mary is ranked 31st, with Tech coming in at 77th.

U.Va. slipped one spot for the third year in row. It remained, however, the second-highest ranked public university, sharing the title with the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor.

The top ranked public university again this year is the University of California at Berkeley, at No. 21.

"You're glad to be included, and being the No. 1 or 2 public university for 10 years running is a good thing," said Carol Wood, a U.Va. spokeswoman. "But I think you also have to look at those rankings and see if they're a true reflection of the quality of the university and the quality of education our students are receiving."

Many colleges criticize the rankings, but they take them seriously. The University of Chicago, facing complaints from alumni about its ranking, says this year it re-examined figures it was submitting in categories such as financial resources and concluded it was underreporting. The school's ranking shot up from 15th to No. 9.

Princeton took the top spot, breaking a three-year tie for No. 1 with Ivy League rival Harvard.

Nine Virginia schools are ranked among Southern universities, master's degree category, led by No. 2 James Madison University. Eight state schools are listed in the liberal arts colleges, with Washington and Lee University in 17th place.

Ferrum and Bluefield college were ranked in the comprehensive colleges, bachelor's Southern schools category. Ferrum was 46th and Bluefield came in at 49th.

The formula for the rankings includes variables such as graduation and retention rates, faculty and financial resources and the percentage of alumni donating money to their alma mater. The biggest single variable is a reputation assessment by peer institutions.

Here is how some other Virginia schools rank:

Liberal Arts Colleges: Top Schools

34. University of Richmond

74. Sweet Briar College

86. Randolph-Macon Woman's College

86. Virginia Military Institute

104. Hampden-Sydney College

104. Randolph-Macon College

104. Hollins University
By Libertine
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How is CSU ahead of LU academically?! When I was coming up, CSU was an academic joke! I'm talking one step above Trident Technical College! That's where I would have gone if I couldn't swing anywhere else financially and, even then, it would have been only to start a transcript with an eye toward transferring!
By A.G.
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http://www.newsadvance.com/servlet/Sate ... 8226&path=

College rankings have skeptics, but few to be found at local schools

By Ron Brown
rbrown@newsadvance
August 18, 2006

A ranking of American colleges by the news magazine U.S. News & World Report, drew mixed reviews from Lynchburg area college administrators.

The 2007 edition of “America’s Best Colleges” hit the newsstands Friday.

Lynchburg College, Sweet Briar College, Randolph-Macon Woman’s College and Liberty University were all listed among the ranked schools in the magazine.

LU had the added distinction of being one of three schools nationwide profiled in the magazine.

Lynchburg College was the top-ranked school from the area, ranked 44th in the Southern region for schools including undergraduate and master degree programs.

The Southern region included most of the southeastern United States.

LU was 109th in the southern region.

Sweet Briar was ranked 74th in the nation among liberal arts colleges. Randolph-Macon Woman’s College was ranked 86th.

The rankings were drawn from data assessing a school’s average freshman retention rates, average graduation rates, class size and student-to-faculty ratios.

The rankings also looked at SAT/ACT scores and students’ rankings in the high school classes.

While she is pleased to be ranked, Sweet Briar President Betsy Muhlenfeld said in many ways the rankings miss the point.

“It says nothing about whether the college actually delivers or whether student learning is actually taking place,” she said.

Muhlenfeld said “a full 25 percent” of the ranking comes from the “perceptions” of the quality of an institution by fellow college presidents.

“We want to make sure that the public perception of the college does not fall,” she said. “We don’t pay a whole lot of attention to these rankings beyond that.”

Muhlenfeld said some perspective students use the ranking to validate their college choice.

“We know it says absolutely nothing about what happens once a student gets to college,” she said.

Regardless, Lynchburg College President Kenneth Garren said he was happy with the school’s ranking.

“Lynchburg College is pleased to be recognized in the top tier of America’s best Southern colleges and universities offering master’s degrees,” he said. “We are committed to providing all of our students the most comprehensive academic and real-world experiences possible. Our professors are dedicated to teaching, and our staff is always finding new ways to enrich the lives of our students.”

The rankings also drew praise from Barbara Harbison, the director of the office of college relations for Randolph-Macon Woman’s College.

“The U.S. News rankings reaffirm what our community already knows - that R-MWC offers a liberal arts education of the highest quality,” she said. “Our ranking of seventh on the list of highest percentage of international students (10 percent) reflects our emphasis on globalization that permeates the entire college.”

No one could have been happier than the Rev. Jerry Falwell, who said the U.S. New & World Report profile was the best thing to happen to recruiting since the school was founded 35 years ago.

“We have worked for years to build our numbers, to build our finances, to build our athletic programs and to erect our buildings,” Falwell said. “The hardest challenge in our first 35 years was to build academic excellence while maintaining our Judeo-Christian ethic.”

Falwell said the current rankings are the first time that LU has been ranked.

“This article is a recognition of Liberty among the best colleges in the nation,” he said. “We have a long way to go as most schools do. But we are now on the list and recognized.”

The University of Virginia, the College and William and Mary and Virginia Tech are ranked among the top national universities. William and Mary is ranked 31st, with Tech coming in at 77th.

UVa slipped one spot for the third year in row to No. 24 overall. It remained, however, the second-highest ranked public university, sharing the title with the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor.

The top ranked public university again this year is the University of California at Berkeley, at No. 21.

“You’re glad to be included, and being the No. 1 or 2 public university for 10 years running is a good thing,” said Carol Wood, a UVa spokeswoman. “But I think you also have to look at those rankings and see if they’re a true reflection of the quality of the university and the quality of education our students are receiving.”

Nine Virginia schools are ranked among Southern universities, master’s degree category, led by No. 2 James Madison University. Eight state schools are listed in the liberal arts colleges, with Washington and Lee University in 17th place.

VMI tied for first place with New College of Florida for public liberal arts colleges.

Princeton took the overall No. 1 spot nationwide, breaking a three-year tie with Ivy League rival Harvard.
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By Sly Fox
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And here is Dr. J's take:
From: Jerry Falwell
Date: August 18, 2006


UCLA, Cornell and Liberty



In 1971, I started Liberty University (then Lynchburg Baptist College) because of a dream I believe God planted in my heart. In our first year, we had 154 students and four faculty members, including me. Many people said my dream was an impossible one. But I continued to believe that God had directed me to initiate an institution of higher learning where academic excellence, athletic competition at the highest level and Judeo-Christian values could co-exist.

And today, it does indeed exist.

As I write, we are preparing to open classes for just our thirty-sixth year on our campus, known as Liberty Mountain. More than $5 billion has been raised privately and invested in the creation and operation of Liberty. We now have a 5,000-acre campus with state-of-the-art facilities. This year, we will welcome about 10,000 resident students to campus, while another 15,000 students worldwide are studying through our external programs. We have recruited a faculty of 650 brilliant Christian men and women who see their profession as a calling, not just a job. And, in our first 35 years, we have produced more than 122,000 alumni who are today impacting their communities worldwide.

I don’t report this in order to boast. In fact, I continue to be in awe that God chose me to manage such a high calling.

But, if my readers will excuse me, I do wish to brag just a bit more about Liberty because of some very significant news.

On news stands this week, U.S. News & World Report’s 2007 edition of “America’s Best Colleges” highlights three universities: UCLA, Cornell and Liberty. It is truly an honor for Liberty to be featured in this manner, especially when one considers that Cornell (which started in 1865) and UCLA (which started in 1919) have been around for so long.

The USN&WR article, titled “They Pray as they Go,” is very complimentary. It underscores Liberty’s rules (no co-ed dorms, no drinking or smoking, etc.) and features interviews with some of our students and faculty, including Dr. Ergun Caner who calls an education at Liberty “Green Beret training for Christians.”

The article also focuses on things that make Liberty unique: dorm prayer groups, a Christian environment (even in the classroom) and our university debate team (which is number-one in the nation in all three national debate tournament polls, which no other school has ever achieved).

Some may be amazed that, in just thirty-five years, Liberty has risen to such a prominent position in the world of higher education. But I’m not surprised. Yes, we’ve had our fair share of challenges and dilemmas, primarily financial ones. But God, in His sovereignty, has placed people in our midst who have endowed Liberty.

People like Art and Angela Williams, Drs. Tim and Beverly LaHaye, Hobby Lobby CEO David Green and others have played significant roles in helping to build this university and secure its future.

Another great feature of Liberty is its diversity. With no quotas or affirmative action in place, we will welcome this fall students reflecting many cultures, backgrounds and ethnicities. In fact, our student body includes young people from 83 nations. Our students are connected by one common goal: to impact the world with the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

As a result, Liberty continues to rapidly grow. This summer, we built five new apartment-style dorms which house 420 students. We will quickly begin more new dorms this fall and are mapping out designs to open more classroom space.

As you can see, like a proud papa, I like to crow about Liberty. In fact, those interested in learning more about Liberty can visit the school’s website (www.liberty.edu) or give us a call (800-424-9596). For Christian young people in America, Liberty is a great place to learn, grow and discover a vision for your future.

Readers who would like to see the article in full should purchase the 2007 edition of “America’s Best Colleges,” now on news stands.
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By bigsmooth
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LU is making strides and the spread in US News will really go a long way in getting the word out about our fine school.
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By El Scorcho
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It's nice to be ranked. Now there are a lot of us who have a lot of work to do on the way up from here. :D
By LUconn
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#25681
I had never thought about the accuracy of the rankings before because they're really the only one that does this but
The formula for the rankings includes variables such as graduation and retention rates, faculty and financial resources and the percentage of alumni donating money to their alma mater. The biggest single variable is a reputation assessment by peer institutions.
That's stupid criteria. I'm not so sure I could come up with something myself but why would your perception and alumni donation effect your ranking? That puts us at an immediate disadvantage because 1. a lot of people don't like us for personal reasons and 2. we're a young university so there isn't yet that much alumni giving.
By 4everfsu
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If you had told me when I attended LBC and our campus was TRBC only, that we would be included in this report I would have just shook my head. It is amazing to see where LU has come from and what its future holds. You can say what you want about Jerry Falwell, but he has always had a vision and has never lost that.
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By PeterParker
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1. a lot of people don't like us for personal reasons and
Some of this is attributed to how LU has postured in the past with fellow schools, as opposed to its actual differences of viewpoints. Of course, that's not to say that some schools don't hold a grudge simply because of the difference of ideology, some inevitably do. But, at times LU doesn't necessarily reach out to build bridges with fellow insitutions by highlighting their common academic pursuits and simply agreeing to disagree on the areas of difference. (See the link about Rick Warren on PBS's Charlie Rose here http://flamefans.com/viewtopic.php?p=25780#25780) Oftentimes, it's more the manner in which LU has approached stuff in the past than the actual ideological differences.

2. we're a young university so there isn't yet that much alumni giving.
This amuses me when this excuse is constantly flouted about as the main reason that LU doesn't have good alumni giving. The reason its included as a barometer of health of a university is because it is a reflection of the affinity the alumni base has for the alma mater. Talk to many people who have graduated and the morale is pretty low among the alumni, and it really is less to do with the fact that the school hasn't really reached out to them, it's more that many people have moved on from the LU days and don't want to look back at them...lest you gasp in horror, don't shoot the messenger. For everyone one alumnus who is on Flamefans, there are several who are finished with LU...for example, I blindly emailed an alumnus because I thought I knew them, and in the email they remarked that they didn't miss the LU days...I would say that this is a major contributing factor as to why the alumni giving is neglible at the present time. Although, people will continue to hold to the young university reason. After all, in the ranking article JF claimed 122,000 alumni, and for arguments sake, let's say that each of those at $10/year is $1.2 Million, and those same people at $100/year is $12 Million, if those 122,000 gave $1000/year ($85/month) that puts a decent dent at $122 Million and capital to work with on the way to the $1Billion Endowment. Over 10 years there's your $1Billion...and that's if nobody ever graduated after today. And as always, alumni money will come with alumni opinion, as the alumni base grows it will become a powerful influence. Ultimately, a school is depependent on its alumni base.
By SuperJon
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Yes sir, someone besides me with something that isn't 100% positive.
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By topcat86
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#25795
SJ - remind us again WHY you came to Liberty?
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By PeterParker
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Now just awaiting Tally's rebuttal; I can usually bank on a Tally counterpoint (with much love to my flamefans brother.)
By SuperJon
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topcat86 wrote:SJ - remind us again WHY you came to Liberty?
I love the school. I love making fun of the school.

To answer your question, I came to LU because I wanted a Christian atmosphere. I didn't want the insane amount of rules so I live off campus. There are some things that I just think common sense would take care of at LU and there doesn't seem to be a lot of that in some cases.

In all honesty, I think my opinion is shared by a lot more people than you think, they just don't voice it like I do.
By Jasmen8182
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I still have to digest some of that when I've got more time, but the bottom line for my lack of involvement over the yrs. has been finances - along with "finding myself". Wishing I'd made more of my college experience, some memories loomed as a cloud. I received a degree but not much direction in life. Some poor choices led to struggling as a young mother staying at a stupid job that milked people for all they're worth (unless you didn't allow it and began flexing some fledgling boundary muscles, in which case they cut hrs. even when there was day care to pay for- yrs. later they did it again when I paid for day camp so my availability would increase...). Now that I'm looking at present blessings, we still have to be careful with only one income. We are considering moving down to VA b/c my husband has retirement and wouldn't have to work as much.... I guess people have to decide if investing in LU is worth putting in the priorities. We currently need to send funds for a child in Haiti- my husband has been there a few times; we had hooked up right before he left on his last trip, so I guess he was all soft-hearted and sentimental...thought the girl had the same name as me. Right now I can't fully explain my surge of interest in reconnecting; maybe it's the encroaching mid-life or the firmer grip on who I am or the easy computer access or the blessing of being a stay-at-home mom right now or the need for closure....
I just don't think it can be simplified to a couple negative remarks. I have thought abt. a few LU people over the yrs. We all get busy. I need to find addresses incl. tracking down a friend from India.
BTW, you got me thinking by breaking it down on a per alumni basis- $10.00/yr. certainly isn't much to set aside....
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By PeterParker
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He came for the same reason everyone else came: the food, the curfew, the required hall meetings, the female population that are dating God (perhaps this cliche has passed since late 90's?), the red clay (nature's tie-dye), RA's, to hitch a ride in a rich roommates $30,000 sweet car on campus, to play said roommates bounty of electronic toys, X-box, $3000 guitar, flat screen T.V., 500 cd/dvd collection, etc. You know, all the stuff that was in the LU brochure...It's the world's most exciting university, of course.

(okay, don't chip a tooth, sense the kidding tone dripping off the words above.)
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By PeterParker
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Ah crap, I couldn't get it posted in time to get the beat...

Jasmen, I was alerted that a lot of LU alum are on MySpace, and I think SJ has mentioned Facebook is eclipsing that in popularity for people trying to reconnect...Seing as I wasn't weaned on IM or have registered on that site yet (although my much younger siblings were), I'm sure he could give you more detail on that.
By SuperJon
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PeterParker wrote:the female population that are dating God (perhaps this cliche has passed since late 90's?)
There are 4 types of girls at Liberty:

1) Girls that are dating Jesus. This bring up the point of how does said girl break up with Jesus at a later date? Does she use the "It's not you it's me" excuse?

b) Girls that are called to be single. Me and GMTM got this from the same girl two months apart. Then two weeks after he got it, she was dating someone. This is basically the excuse that says, "Hey, I don't want a boyfriend right now" or "I don't like you but I'm too much of an idiot to figure out how to say that."

III) Girls that want to get married sometime around Thursday night. These girls just flip me out.

iv) Girls that are actually normal but are dating someone right now. Guys have lined up and taken numbers for whenever she breaks up with her boyfriend.
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By PeterParker
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iv) Girls that are actually normal but are dating someone right now. Guys have lined up and taken numbers for whenever she breaks up with her boyfriend.
And usually taken by a dude on ________________ team. (Insert sport of choice: soccer, baseball, football...)

Also, love the subtle nuance of your "points."
By SuperJon
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The easiest way to get a date on campus is slap a Bible down next to a girl and tell her you're studying to be a pastor.
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By Sly Fox
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OK, Spidey. I'll try addressing a few of your points. And for the record, I don't think your post was necessarily negative.

Like it or not, there is a pervasive perception of LU that is based primarily on the most outlandish statements ever made by our founder. There is no denying our connection to Jerry no matter how reduced his role may be today as opposed to 15 years ago. He is a lightning rod for which I actually applaud him (even if I don't necessarily always agree with his stances). As a result of our relationship with Dr. J, we will for a long time past his death be referred to as Jerry Falwell's Liberty University. And if you read blogs like me, you usually see us referred to as Liberty University (sic). I believe that over time the perception will eventually begin to match our reality. But that day is probably far down the road.

As for your theories on the young alumni base, I feel you are overlooking a key factor. For the first 15 years of the school at LBC, we were primarily graduating preacher boys & school teachers. While those are both extremely honorable professions for which we should still channel a great deal of effort, neither occupation traditionally pays particularly well. So our alumni base in the prime philanthropic demographic of 45-75 is not only relatively small in number as opposed to our under-45 group but is also less likely to have accrued a great deal of assets from which to donate to the school. Back in the Old Time Gospel Hour heydey we had plenty of donors from that key demo that carried the financial burden of building the university. After PTL/Swaggart we never fully recovered that national base of funding to levels pre-scandal.

The good news is we are finally sending out a much larger number of businessmen, doctors and lawyers today who are in fields where they can amass much more capital to hopefully return to their alma mater. That's why it is imperative that our alumni association be agressive in finding and keeping in contact with our growing alumni base. Consdiering the fact that our students arrive from and head to a wider range of places than just about any other school our size in the nation, it is a very daunting task.

On a very small scale, that's part of what has driven to build this board. I want to try to advance a feeling of camaraderie and pride in what has and will be happening on the mountain. You are all correct that not everyone has great feelings about their time at LU. But as PAmedic & jasmen8182 and others can attest, over time we gain life experience and wisdom and it can often change our perceptions. I know my feelings on much of the Liberty Way have changed dramatically as I have matured (polite way to say I'm barreling through my mid-life).
By SuperJon
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Life experience means your old. Just say it like that Sly. It makes it a lot easier.
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