A Sea Of Red

Ok, so I'm watching this Discovery Channel show called Wild Pacific, but instead of seeing great whites leaping several feet out of the water to snag a seal for a snack and perhaps battles between whales and dolphins, I'm instead being educated on the dangers to sharks of overfishing and what global warming is doing to the Pacific Ocean.

Why can't the Discovery Channel get back to showing more cool stuff and less brainwashing?

thats what mythbusters is for.

I think the jumping Great Whites is confined to the coast of South Africa.

I watched it too. And I thought it was awesome. "Survivors" was my favorite.

I'll leave the global warming comment alone in order to not feel the need to reference way too much science, but overfishing being dangerous to sharks...How does that not make sense to you?

GoUNCA wrote:I watched it too. And I thought it was awesome. "Survivors" was my favorite.

I'll leave the global warming comment alone in order to not feel the need to reference way too much science, but overfishing being dangerous to sharks...How does that not make sense to you?

You're right. Let's not fish. Or hunt. Or harvest crops.

GoUNCA wrote:I watched it too. And I thought it was awesome. "Survivors" was my favorite.

I'll leave the global warming comment alone in order to not feel the need to reference way too much science, but overfishing being dangerous to sharks...How does that not make sense to you?

Well it makes sense, but seriously, to call a show designed to promote environmentalism "Wild Pacific" to educate everyone on everything humans are doing "wrong," its a disappointment. I just wanted to see some jumping sharks and whales eating penguins...that, to me, is the definition of "Wild Pacific"

That's become the nature of Discovery and everything Discovery Communications owns, very agenda-driven. It's really hard to escape that anywhere, though. Except TruTV and Spike, now that's the reality I can relate to!

I think GoUNCA should commit suicide in the interest of global warming. Putting out too much carbon. Put your money where your mouth is.

Global warming is a scam by the government on the ignorant general populace so they will roll over easy when they massively increase taxes on everyone.

I think I agree that overfishing could be a problem. I mean, I don't know if it is or not, but I can see how a large portion of fish not being there for shark consumption all of the sudden could cause a problem. But I'd rather not have the DC preaching about it in a show that's not about overfishing.

Yeah, the part where the divers came out of the water all shaken up and "deeply affected" by the fish caught in the net was pathetic. They're fish, that we eat, in a net. What is this, Whale Wars?

our forecast here for the next week.

Tuesday
Chance of a Thunderstorm
81° F | 68° F
Wednesday
Partly Cloudy
85° F | 59° F
Thursday
Partly Cloudy
81° F | 56° F
Friday
Partly Cloudy
76° F | 54° F
Saturday
Partly Cloudy
76° F | 56° F
Chance of T-storms
20% chance of precipitation

its july btw.

Realist wrote:I think GoUNCA should commit suicide in the interest of global warming. Putting out too much carbon. Put your money where your mouth is.

Global warming is a scam by the government on the ignorant general populace so they will roll over easy when they massively increase taxes on everyone.

Yikes. I think I hear the secret, silent government helicopters piloted by Freemason operatives that are coming to get you.

I agree that whale wars is ridiculous.

General question on global warming to the Liberty people. Do you guys go with the "this is a natural phenomenon and not caused by man" argument or do you guys just deny the whole thing or jump on the conspiracy wagon or what?

GoUNCA wrote:General question on global warming to the Liberty people. Do you guys go with the "this is a natural phenomenon and not caused by man" argument or do you guys just deny the whole thing or jump on the conspiracy wagon or what?

Natural phenomenon.

we just had the coldest, wettest, June on record. Yet the guy on Accu-weather made a comment that we are still "below" normal for "average rainfall this month" ???

When faced with cooler temps than normal- meterologists on the Weather Channel started referring to the problem as "Climate Change" rather than "Global Warming"

I watched part of a program the other night, I believe on Discovery or TLC, where they said that global warming will likely cause another ice age.

Following along:

• cold= BAD
  warm = BAD

So basically- unless we follow new government mandates, we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

call me a skeptic.

GoUNCA wrote:General question on global warming to the Liberty people. Do you guys go with the "this is a natural phenomenon and not caused by man" argument or do you guys just deny the whole thing or jump on the conspiracy wagon or what?

Does no one else remember the books that came out around the 70's, IIRC, about the "Global Cooling" & how the earth was heading for extremely cold temps?

"Global Warming" crock is the same thing. The earth heats & cools in cycles.

Figures don't lie, but liars can figure.

its july 14 and its currently 77.

My parents went to upstate NY for the 4th and they said it was in the 60s and 70s the whole time. New England is calling this a year with no summer. Climate changes. It always has and always will with hundreds of factors thrown into why it happens. Sunspots, jet stream, axis wobble, sea temps, ozone (what ever happened to that hole anyway?). The factors go on and on all affecting one another. And it doesn't have to be black helicopter style conspiracies for it to be a farce. Cap and trade... they're taxing you based on your carbon output... so it doesn't reduce carbon emissions yet the government is getting a ton of new money. Do you not see why they might be interested in that? But scientists say so! Oh yeah, I forgot about the infallible scientists, who apparently work pro bono as not to taint their results. They're such humanitarians. Plus it's peer reviewed. Who better to test your results than your buddy who gets his grants from the same place? It's a fool proof system.

I approach the whole global warming thing with the same skepitical mind that I approach the religous dogma against homosexuality (and some of it for homosexuality). The scientists advocating global warming act just like a vast majority of pastors when questioned or professors who ask "Who are you to have the audacity to question these peer reviewed journals?" (yes, that actually happened to me in the MBA program)...that they are being threatened, and the thought that they could be wrong about something is like threatening their very reasons for existing.

The earth's climate is going to be changing b/c there will always be things going on that will change it...I think humans may play a part, but only a small one if we do. There are solar flares, sunspots, gravitational pulls from other planets, stars and space objects that will cause the planet to wobble on its axis. Earth itself is capable of changing its own climate, as some volcanic eruptions have been able to block some of the heat and energy coming from the sun on a global scale. There are always going to be things going on that affect climates everywhere on the planet...the best we can do is adapt.

Why has it gotten to the point that if you disagree with someone, you're suddenly pushed into the conspiracy theorist category? This has happened to me at least three times in the last few weeks on here. Is it the "scientific consensus" that really doesn't exist that throws everyone else (a growing majority, by the way) into the looney/backwards/retarded demographic?

welcome to the world of science...its hilarious. they've got it all figured out.....

typical response "we dont have it all figured out but even though its still a theory, its only a theory because we are 99% sure its true so its basically fact. 99% is good enough for us"

meanwhile the origin of life and the ability for earth AND the universe to sustain life has a probability of 1:1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 and this is also good enough for them.

I've never liked the "it's just a theory" talk that mallet brought up. I guess the flip side is that everything Mallet thinks is concrete is "just a theory" too. You'll find that most of science goes down to statistical probability.

I'm inclined to go with what the data says. I'm certainly not the one to say our sample size is big enough, but signs point to bad things. I mean Arrhenius predicted warming on basic gas laws in the 1890s, this isn't a new scientific idea. I think the warming is just moving faster than normal. Here is just the data.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/ipc ... g6-10b.png

I don't buy into the doomsday crap, humans adjusted before the holocene and we'll adjust after. I imagine it will hurt us economically though.

I was more wondering how believing in cooling and warming cycles affects your creation beliefs. I believe the earth warms and cools "regularly" as well, but I also believe in geological epochs and time periods. It just seems to me you would be dancing away from one principle to make sense on a different one.[/url]

It is easy, the earth will be destroyed by God not by what mankind does. It will be destroyed on His timetable, not the house or senate or any country's govt, people,etc.

GoUNCA wrote:I've never liked the "it's just a theory" talk that mallet brought up. I guess the flip side is that everything Mallet thinks is concrete is "just a theory" too.

what is concrete today crumbles tomorrow. most scientific theories are based of assumptions. everything we weren't here for is an assumption that allows for probable data but still isn't absolute.

great now i'll be shunned.

RubberMallet wrote:

GoUNCA wrote:I've never liked the "it's just a theory" talk that mallet brought up. I guess the flip side is that everything Mallet thinks is concrete is "just a theory" too.

what is concrete today crumbles tomorrow. most scientific theories are based of assumptions. everything we weren't here for is an assumption that allows for probable data but still isn't absolute.

great now i'll be shunned.

Not by me you won't...cuz I think along those same lines

4everfsu wrote:It is easy, the earth will be destroyed by God not by what mankind does. It will be destroyed on His timetable, not the house or senate or any country's govt, people,etc.

I guess that means it's time to party!

I never liked that defense for many reasons, but mainly because it gives a "free" pass on irresponsible behavior. I think God had a hand in creating my house plant, but I certainly had no problem destroying it.

Mallet, I agree with you that things change. I guess we just have to roll with the thought of the day. I don't like it when scientific research is considered bad only to justify established positions (not accusing anyone). If global warming is some kind of anomaly, average temperatures will go down in the next half century. ie Environmental research is bunk/preachiness, but I'll listen to what a cardiologist tells me. Funny stuff, this human nature.