[flamesbball84]

1. Plastic bottles are made from petroleum.
2. The bottles often go into the trash, rather than the recycle bin (in part because many states don't offer five-cent deposits to encourage recycling, as they do on soda and beer cans and bottles).
3. The water is pumped far from where it is sold, creating needless pollution as trucks and barges transport it across the country or around the world.
4. Some local communities have objected to the sale of their water, arguing that the water underground or flowing from natural springs is publicly owned and should not be exploited for profit.
5. Bottled water is rarely as closely monitored as tap water.
6. Tap water in the United States, when provided by a municipal system, is the most highly monitored and safe supply in the world.
7. Some of the water sold in little plastic bottles is tap water, but it costs an awful lot more per gallon.

http://green.yahoo.com/blog/daily_green ... tKy_R0fNdF

[olldflame]

All true. I travel quite a bit to places overseas where the tap water is definately NOT safe, and not having to buy bottled water is something I always appreciate when I return. For those who don't trust water straight from the tap, using a filtration system like Brita and a reusable bottle is a safer,more ecolocically sound, and certainly cheaper alternative to bottled water.

[Cider Jim]

My wife has an aunt from NY state who will drink bottled "spring water" but not bottled "purified water" because she is certain that the "purified water" originally had insect or animal waste in it before it was "purified".

[flamesbball84]

My wife has an aunt from NY state who will drink bottled "spring water" but not bottled "purified water" because she is certain that the "purified water" originally had insect or animal waste in it before it was "purified".

So animals don't bathe and do their business in springs? If that's her reasoning, I would much rather have purified water than water allegedly from a spring that hasn't been purified where animals and even humans have been doing a gamut of different unhealthy things in it.

[LUconn]

5 and 6 are the same thing. Yahoo needed 7 to fit the title. Pretty lame solution yahoo.

[Kolzilla41]

Here is a good example
http://www.dhadm.com/mediaHolder.php?id=583

[ALUmnus]

I have a question. Is all this green crap really selling anything?

I mean, you have all these companies not advertising their products, but how environmentally friendly they are. Does the general public even care how green they are? Speaking for myself, I know I don't, and actually find all this stuff really a turnoff more than anything. I'm just wondering, are companies focusing their advertising on the right thing when it comes to consumers, or are they just trying to prove something to some kind of imaginary "green police" that will determine the success and viability of their business?

[flamesbball84]

I have a question. Is all this green crap really selling anything?

I mean, you have all these companies not advertising their products, but how environmentally friendly they are. Does the general public even care how green they are? Speaking for myself, I know I don't, and actually find all this stuff really a turnoff more than anything. I'm just wondering, are companies focusing their advertising on the right thing when it comes to consumers, or are they just trying to prove something to some kind of imaginary "green police" that will determine the success and viability of their business?

I don't really care about this green crap either. Now if it came down to two products that are basically the same product and same price, but one product was more "green" then yeah I might go "Oh the heck with it, I'll get the 'green' one."

[ATrain]

I'm still drinking Aquafina, no matter what anyone says. Its my money, I'll spend it how I want to

[flamesbball84]

I'm still drinking Aquafina, no matter what anyone says. Its my money, I'll spend it how I want to

Darn sinner, I hope God has mercy on your soul. lol, only joking, of course.

[Liberty4Life]

I have a question. Is all this green crap really selling anything?

I mean, you have all these companies not advertising their products, but how environmentally friendly they are. Does the general public even care how green they are? Speaking for myself, I know I don't, and actually find all this stuff really a turnoff more than anything. I'm just wondering, are companies focusing their advertising on the right thing when it comes to consumers, or are they just trying to prove something to some kind of imaginary "green police" that will determine the success and viability of their business?

I don't really care about this green crap either. Now if it came down to two products that are basically the same product and same price, but one product was more "green" then yeah I might go "Oh the heck with it, I'll get the 'green' one."

The problem is, the 'green' one isn't ever the same price. They're more expensive. And typically, less efficient.

When I was house-hunting, I remember the real estate agent made some comment like, all the light bulbs in the house have been replaced with energy efficient models. That's when I said, 'Oh. Because I was wondering why it was so dark in here.'

[LUconn]

I'm still drinking Aquafina, no matter what anyone says. Its my money, I'll spend it how I want to

What if somebody said they peed in an aquafina bottle at the plant?

[flamesbball84]

I have a question. Is all this green crap really selling anything?

I mean, you have all these companies not advertising their products, but how environmentally friendly they are. Does the general public even care how green they are? Speaking for myself, I know I don't, and actually find all this stuff really a turnoff more than anything. I'm just wondering, are companies focusing their advertising on the right thing when it comes to consumers, or are they just trying to prove something to some kind of imaginary "green police" that will determine the success and viability of their business?

I don't really care about this green crap either. Now if it came down to two products that are basically the same product and same price, but one product was more "green" then yeah I might go "Oh the heck with it, I'll get the 'green' one."

The problem is, the 'green' one isn't ever the same price. They're more expensive. And typically, less efficient.

When I was house-hunting, I remember the real estate agent made some comment like, all the light bulbs in the house have been replaced with energy efficient models. That's when I said, 'Oh. Because I was wondering why it was so dark in here.'

And I read a study that said these energy efficient cfl bulbs have so much mercury in them, that they would contain enough mercury that only one could exist in something like every 10 square miles of landfill space. I'm not really sure how that helps the environment any...

[flamesbball84]

I'm still drinking Aquafina, no matter what anyone says. Its my money, I'll spend it how I want to

As of July 27, 2007, PepsiCo put a disclaimer stating the water comes from a "public source" on each bottle.

aka tap water

[Realist]

I have a question. Is all this green crap really selling anything?

I mean, you have all these companies not advertising their products, but how environmentally friendly they are. Does the general public even care how green they are? Speaking for myself, I know I don't, and actually find all this stuff really a turnoff more than anything. I'm just wondering, are companies focusing their advertising on the right thing when it comes to consumers, or are they just trying to prove something to some kind of imaginary "green police" that will determine the success and viability of their business?

No, it's not. I launched a "green" product, which was basically the same thing as another product except for one component and the marketing, and it tanked.

[Hold My Own]

I have a question. Is all this green crap really selling anything?

You are familiar with California right?

[Liberty4Life]

When I was house-hunting, I remember the real estate agent made some comment like, all the light bulbs in the house have been replaced with energy efficient models. That's when I said, 'Oh. Because I was wondering why it was so dark in here.'

And I read a study that said these energy efficient cfl bulbs have so much mercury in them, that they would contain enough mercury that only one could exist in something like every 10 square miles of landfill space. I'm not really sure how that helps the environment any...

And then there's the entire, 'if it breaks, you have to call a HAZMAT team to clean it up'... It's a good thing the democrats are forcing us to use only those bulbs by what, 2011?

[Liberty4Life]

Two things though about bottled water:

#7 in the Yahoo list was kind of glazed over, but it's a biggie: Bottled Water contains tap water. How ridiculous is that? I'm paying a buck for some guy to put a cap on what came out of the drinking fountain at Aquafina?

Second -- it's not really that much healthier than tap water (unless you live in Tijuana or some other locale where you can't drink the water). Certainly not healthier enough to spend the extra cash.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Health/Story ... 070&page=1

(My favorite part from this article):

In our test of bottled waters, Kmart's American Fare -- the cheapest brand -- won. Big-seller Aquafina came in second.

Iceland Spring tied the ordinary tap water for third place. Fifth place went to Poland Spring, and in last place, by far, with almost half the testers saying it tasted bad, was the most expensive water -- the fancy French stuff, Evian.

"It tasted like toilet water," one man said.

[LUconn]

while we're talking about CFL bulbs being mandatory, if that actually happens there's a few problems that I don't know if anybody's thought of. First dimming switches. I think CFL is just on/off. Also, what about little "candle" looking bulbs. I don't think they make CFLs that small. Although they do make LEDs for that. But those are expensive.

[ALUmnus]

One of the big jokes about CFL bulbs is that the only reason you're saving electricity is because you're not using as much light, making your whole house darker. In order for a CFL bulb to generate as much light as its incandescent counterpart is to use the same amount of electricity as the regular bulb. You can't get more light out of less electricity with these things.

[flamesbball84]

if people think bottled water is so much healthier, why aren't they buying distilled water like smart water since distillation will remove the "impurities"?

[olldflame]

One of the big jokes about CFL bulbs is that the only reason you're saving electricity is because you're not using as much light, making your whole house darker. In order for a CFL bulb to generate as much light as its incandescent counterpart is to use the same amount of electricity as the regular bulb. You can't get more light out of less electricity with these things.

I don't know what you are basing that on other than someone's internet ramblings about conspiracy theories, but it is incorrect. Incandescent bulbs are extremely ineffecient, because much of the energy is converted to heat instead of light. A 22 watt CFL bulb produces approx. the same amount of light as a 100 watt incandescent bulb. They also last about 10 times as long, making them cost effective both in their purchase price and energy usage. There are dimmable CFLs and they are developing low mercury ones as well.

BTW, Ollies sells these at discount prices. I am changing over all my bulbs as they burn out. The 22 watt (100 watt equivilant) bulbs appear to be just as bright as the 100 watt incandescents.

[ALUmnus]

One of the big jokes about CFL bulbs is that the only reason you're saving electricity is because you're not using as much light, making your whole house darker. In order for a CFL bulb to generate as much light as its incandescent counterpart is to use the same amount of electricity as the regular bulb. You can't get more light out of less electricity with these things.

I don't know what you are basing that on other than someone's internet ramblings about conspiracy theories, but it is incorrect. Incandescent bulbs are extremely ineffecient, because much of the energy is converted to heat instead of light. A 22 watt CFL bulb produces approx. the same amount of light as a 100 watt incandescent bulb. They also last about 10 times as long, making them cost effective both in their purchase price and energy usage. There are dimmable CFLs and they are developing low mercury ones as well.

BTW, Ollies sells these at discount prices. I am changing over all my bulbs as they burn out. The 22 watt (100 watt equivilant) bulbs appear to be just as bright as the 100 watt incandescents.

Did you read that off the box? Because I don't believe it. Totally anecdotal right here, but we've used many "60 watt equivilant" bulbs, and they are much dimmer than the incandescent, and I mean much dimmer.

[El Scorcho]

In order for a CFL bulb to generate as much light as its incandescent counterpart is to use the same amount of electricity as the regular bulb. You can't get more light out of less electricity with these things.

Uh, yes you can. Efficiency isn't magic.

http://home.howstuffworks.com/question236.htm

(And to anyone at LU reading this who wants to tattle that I posted on FlameFans during business hours: I'm on vacation this week.)

[Liberty4Life]

It gets confusing when you start looking at color temperatures. Some bulbs are designed to give off a yellower light and some are designed for a bluer light. The bluer light may appear "brighter", but it uses the same amount of energy.