Sounds to me like he's got pride issues. If the dog says they gotta search the car, get the freak out of your car. If they're lying, they're lying and you have to deal. It's life. This guy's a trouble maker. Take a freaking shower.
Posted: April 20th, 2009, 11:03 am
by RubberMallet
haven't watched this yet, but i've learned that if a cop or someone with similar authority asks you to do something, just do it. if they are in the wrong file a complaint and it will get dealt with. most departments don't like bad publicity and will take care of the problem.
cops jobs are hard enough without some yokle defying them.
Posted: April 20th, 2009, 11:09 am
by adam42381
I would have complied but the guy has a right not to.
Posted: April 20th, 2009, 11:14 am
by RubberMallet
and then he has the right to get tazered.
Posted: April 20th, 2009, 12:46 pm
by JMUDukes
RubberMallet wrote:and then he has the right to get tazered.
no he DOESN'T. the dog didn't detect ANYTHING, it was an EXCUSE. he has the right to go on his way unless the officers have probable cause, which they don't.
has everyone forgotten about the Bill of Rights?
Posted: April 20th, 2009, 12:55 pm
by LUconn
Dude, if a cop tells you the dog is detecting something, that's probable cause. Is he a pastor or is he the dog whisperer? Sure the cop could have been lying but there's nothing you can do but comply. I think this guy wanted a beating.
Posted: April 20th, 2009, 1:24 pm
by blwall1416
The Supreme Court has approved routine warrant-less search and/or seizures, for example "where there is probable cause to believe that a criminal offense has been or is being committed"...
If they said a dog alerted them......that gives them probable cause.....they do not have to show you what the dog did.....asking you to remove yourself from your vehicle is reasonable........excessive force is about the only thing he can hang his hat on.........and that might not even hold up.
Bottom line....instead of trying to invoke your barnes & noble, book-reading club interpretation of the law........just be compliant & do what they friggin' ask you to do.......then if they screw up......file a complaint.
Posted: April 20th, 2009, 1:55 pm
by AZjonz
Southern Arizona has had a bad history of corrupt Border Patrol.
I would NEVER let a cop search my vehicle if they asked. It's not their place to do so unless they have probable cause. In this instance when they pulled the dog, you have to let them search.
BP enjoyed the beat down on this guy.
My question: What did the dog smell then if there wasn't any drugs or humans? Does the guy have a point? Are these dogs infallible? Or did the dog not detect anything and BP was going to prove a point?
Posted: April 20th, 2009, 2:06 pm
by AZjonz
So I did some reading on this and apparently the 4th amendment is treated a little differently on the border. Any law person can chime in here on why that is and what it means.
Lesson here: Don't mess with the BP.
Posted: April 20th, 2009, 2:09 pm
by Kolzilla41
I know he probably was rihg tto refuse the search but just let them do it and be on your way...
Posted: April 20th, 2009, 2:16 pm
by Th3rd
lesson: dont tick BP off, they will use force
most likely the dog didnt smell anything they were just so ticked with this guy for not getting out when they told him to do so...
my big thing is if you knew you were clean why do you have such a problem with them searching the car? what do you have to hide if there is nothing in the car in the first place... thats kinda fishy
Posted: April 20th, 2009, 2:17 pm
by Kolzilla41
Th3rd wrote:lesson: dont tick BP off, they will use force
most likely the dog didnt smell anything they were just so ticked with this guy for not getting out when they told him to do so...
my big thing is if you knew you were clean why do you have such a problem with them searching the car? what do you have to hide if there is nothing in the car in the first place... thats kinda fishy
Because he does have that right
Posted: April 20th, 2009, 2:19 pm
by blwall1416
flamerbob wrote:Because he does have that right
Read my previous post.......they do have the right to search that vehicle.
Posted: April 20th, 2009, 2:27 pm
by Th3rd
flamerbob wrote:
Th3rd wrote:lesson: dont tick BP off, they will use force
most likely the dog didnt smell anything they were just so ticked with this guy for not getting out when they told him to do so...
my big thing is if you knew you were clean why do you have such a problem with them searching the car? what do you have to hide if there is nothing in the car in the first place... thats kinda fishy
Because he does have that right
still, lets see BP who all have tasers and guns and ask me to get out of my car because they want to search the vehicle.. thats just asking for them to use force
Posted: April 20th, 2009, 2:28 pm
by ATrain
Th3rd wrote:lesson: dont tick BP off, they will use force
most likely the dog didnt smell anything they were just so ticked with this guy for not getting out when they told him to do so...
my big thing is if you knew you were clean why do you have such a problem with them searching the car? what do you have to hide if there is nothing in the car in the first place... thats kinda fishy
Its the principle of the thing...its like an RA going through my stuff when I lived on campus. Yeah, the rules give RAs the right to search your room and I didn't have anything to hide, but if I walked in on one looking through my stuff I'd still be ticked.
Posted: April 20th, 2009, 2:28 pm
by Kolzilla41
Th3rd wrote:
flamerbob wrote:
Th3rd wrote:lesson: dont tick BP off, they will use force
most likely the dog didnt smell anything they were just so ticked with this guy for not getting out when they told him to do so...
my big thing is if you knew you were clean why do you have such a problem with them searching the car? what do you have to hide if there is nothing in the car in the first place... thats kinda fishy
Because he does have that right
still, lets see BP who all have tasers and guns and ask me to get out of my car because they want to search the vehicle.. thats just asking for them to use force
Not disagreeing with that. I just said he had the right to refuse.
Posted: April 20th, 2009, 2:34 pm
by Th3rd
ATrain wrote:
Th3rd wrote:lesson: dont tick BP off, they will use force
most likely the dog didnt smell anything they were just so ticked with this guy for not getting out when they told him to do so...
my big thing is if you knew you were clean why do you have such a problem with them searching the car? what do you have to hide if there is nothing in the car in the first place... thats kinda fishy
Its the principle of the thing...its like an RA going through my stuff when I lived on campus. Yeah, the rules give RAs the right to search your room and I didn't have anything to hide, but if I walked in on one looking through my stuff I'd still be ticked.
not the same situation...
it would rather be like an RA asking to search your room because they heard stuff about you, you have nothing to hide and still dont let them do it... that just makes the whole thing a whole lot more suspicious from the RA's viewpoint in all honesty, same deal with saying it to a cop or BP, refusing just tells them you have something to hide
Posted: April 20th, 2009, 2:39 pm
by LUconn
Looks like United States vs. Martinez-Fuerte gives the BP exclusively the right to do this where as any other agency could not due to the 4th amendment. The internet doesn't lie.
Posted: April 20th, 2009, 2:40 pm
by blwall1416
This was not the first time this guy tried to cause a scene. He seems like a huge d-bag.
Here's some from his website......he was looking for a fight........he found one: