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#599069
oldflame wrote: April 11th, 2020, 10:48 am Trump has hinted that he will be making a major announcement concerning the WHO next week. I sincerely hope it will be that we are leaving and stopping all funding, and will be joining with allies to form a new organization to do what it was supposed to be doing. The more I hear about this dumpster fire the sicker I get. Besides the obvious cow-towing to China, they are spending over half of their 1.5 billion dollar annual budget for first class flights and 5 star hotels, while organizations that are really making a difference like Doctors Without Borders operate on a shoestring.
I remember in the early 90’s learning how the UN spends money and being surprised. I’ve had decades to no longer be surprised. This is just par for the course
#599070
TH Spangler wrote: April 11th, 2020, 11:36 am Truth be know China is probably supporting it more than reported. But its with money under the table to its leaders, to control its reporting. My guess, the Chinese communist government is passing money under the table to way more people than we realize.
Probably so, which is why I'm thinking it's probably a lost cause to try to try to clean it up. Better to start fresh with a new organization and let them continue to front for the commies.
#599071
Purple Haize wrote: April 11th, 2020, 11:52 am
oldflame wrote: April 11th, 2020, 10:48 am Trump has hinted that he will be making a major announcement concerning the WHO next week. I sincerely hope it will be that we are leaving and stopping all funding, and will be joining with allies to form a new organization to do what it was supposed to be doing. The more I hear about this dumpster fire the sicker I get. Besides the obvious cow-towing to China, they are spending over half of their 1.5 billion dollar annual budget for first class flights and 5 star hotels, while organizations that are really making a difference like Doctors Without Borders operate on a shoestring.
I remember in the early 90’s learning how the UN spends money and being surprised. I’ve had decades to no longer be surprised. This is just par for the course
Ben Shapiro interviewed Nikki Haley recently and she had a lot of bad things to say about the UN, but thinks we should stay in it because our veto power can still do a lot of good despite the widespread corruption. We don't have that leverage with the WHO, so I say torch it.

#599072
Yeah, I’m ok with staying in the UN. I’m also ok with not paying our dues fully until others do as well. I was just commenting on the fact that when I was younger and had my first experience with the UN I was shocked at how money was being spent and how other more effective agencies were doing more with less (as per your Doctors Without Borders example). Knowing what I know now, I’m not shocked or surprised when I see these things from International Global Agencies.
#599093
TH Spangler wrote: April 11th, 2020, 9:17 am
Thirdbase wrote: April 10th, 2020, 11:21 pm Some non-essential staff are still working on campus. Last month, some low-wage staff were required to sign NDAs.

Faculty can now teach from home, but only because of the WAPO letter from “that Baggett lady.” As late as March 26th, faculty were required to be on campus to teach remotely from their office or empty classrooms. At the same time, Jr. was on CNN lying about how “all faculty are teaching from home.” Faculty on campus watching that interview were outraged. The LU website updated its Covid page within minutes after that interview. It now said faculty must appeal to their dean with a valid reason to teach from home.

Even worse, the day before the CNN interview, Jr. told ABC news that if any employee was concerned about safety issues while teaching from campus, Human Resources is the place to take their concern, not the media. But faculty are forbidden from going to or contacting HR for any reason. That policy has been strictly enforced for over a year now.

It’s not just a culture of fear; it’s a culture of embarrassment. We are LU.
non-essential, stay home? Airport employees never saw that kind of time off. I don't see were professors working online in an empty class room is a problem.
...says the tin foil hat wearing Jerry fanboy.
By thepostman
#599098
TH Spangler wrote: April 11th, 2020, 9:17 am non-essential, stay home? Airport employees never saw that kind of time off. I don't see were professors working online in an empty class room is a problem.
I've been working from home and to equate that with getting time off is extremely inaccurate. In fact, its much much tougher working from home with the kids home and all of that good stuff. I for one, can't wait to get back to my normal working situation (minus the commute).
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#599100
rogers3 wrote: April 11th, 2020, 8:35 pm
TH Spangler wrote: April 11th, 2020, 9:17 am
Thirdbase wrote: April 10th, 2020, 11:21 pm Some non-essential staff are still working on campus. Last month, some low-wage staff were required to sign NDAs.

Faculty can now teach from home, but only because of the WAPO letter from “that Baggett lady.” As late as March 26th, faculty were required to be on campus to teach remotely from their office or empty classrooms. At the same time, Jr. was on CNN lying about how “all faculty are teaching from home.” Faculty on campus watching that interview were outraged. The LU website updated its Covid page within minutes after that interview. It now said faculty must appeal to their dean with a valid reason to teach from home.

Even worse, the day before the CNN interview, Jr. told ABC news that if any employee was concerned about safety issues while teaching from campus, Human Resources is the place to take their concern, not the media. But faculty are forbidden from going to or contacting HR for any reason. That policy has been strictly enforced for over a year now.

It’s not just a culture of fear; it’s a culture of embarrassment. We are LU.
non-essential, stay home? Airport employees never saw that kind of time off. I don't see were professors working online in an empty class room is a problem.
...says the tin foil hat wearing Jerry fanboy.
:lol:
#599169
The University is now getting sued:
The lawsuit states that students and their families have attempted to obtain refunds from Liberty, but the University has refused those requests, and in one instance, Falwell even resorted to insulting a parent on social media. This behavior, along with a history of similar behavior from Liberty and its supporters, caused the lead plaintiff to file her lawsuit as “Student A” out of fear of retaliation and harassment. In addition to Falwell’s Twitter outburst, another high-level school administrator contacted one student—and involved that student’s employer—who spoke out against the University and, in the student’s words, “chided” him for his comments about Liberty’s COVID-19-related conduct.
https://www.valdostadailytimes.com/news ... 13a05.html
#599171
i personally believe the university is probably always being sued. call me crazy.

it all depends on what other private/public institutions are doing. or this may set the standard. but suing because he was mean to you on twitter is rich.
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#599172
RE: the actual virus.

this whole opening back up the economy is about lives lost vs lives ruined.

i would believe that the lives lost over corona virus (60-70k) is going to be a much lower number than the lives ruined (just look at unemployment numbers. many will get their jobs back but many will have no jobs to get back to with business closing and what not)

20k+ dead from the virus. over 800,000 people have already died in the US from all other normal deaths things. (we avg 2.5-2.8 million deaths a year) if 60k die as estimated that will be 2% of all deaths in the US.
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#599176
and another thing. this place is run its most rampant courses in urban areas (places where the population density per sqr mile is >2000). that is 30% of the population and those 30% make up for like 75% of the cases.

there is no reason to keep the other 70% in a total lockdown because they are mostly already pretty much social distanced to where the virus isn't reaking havoc. allow each individual city to make its own declarations but stop governing everyone for the sake of a few.

deaths suck noone wants them and opening up stuff will result in more deaths and that will suck but thats like saying the gvt could save lives by making all speed limit 15mph. it saves lives you aren't in favor? do you not care about lives??!!!
By JK37
Registration Days Posts
#599177
Good post.

There is a linkage to unemployment and death. A report in 2018 showed for every 1% rise in unemployment, 1,000 people die. To the point, the two aren’t mutually exclusive.

Putting people back to work SAVES lives, too.
By thepostman
#599179
Yes which is why it is a delicate balancing act which is what the president is trying to say but he is awful at articulating anything with real emotion and gets stuck in the media vs him narrative. They love it and he loves it and since it is the only way he can campaign right now he will keep doing it. I wish he wouldn't and would allow Pence to just run the show and maybe show up to the briefings once a week. I'm sure the media will be critical of that too but at this point they have proven they will be critical of everything.

But yes, it would appear the administration is trying to weigh things and make calculated decisions. I sure hope Trump doesn't allow his disdain for the media to distract him from these decisions. Also he should avoid making comments that are constitutionally inaccurate and leave it to states to decide what is best. I think he will and was just angry yesterday when he said said but he needs to reel that in a bit. Just my 2 cents.
#599180
The idea that anyone - much less the president - thinks this can be governed at the federal level is crazy. This absolutely has to be governed at the state and local level. Some states will open up before others. Some cities within those states will open up before others. This thing is a slow roll out, not a light switch where everyone comes back at once.
By thepostman
#599184
I'm not saying he should make emotional decisions but when in crisis it is important people in power articulate what they are saying and this preaident isnt always the best at that. He also allows his anger towards the media to get the best of him which I guess is his strategy to keep his supporters fired up but it's never been a trait of his i have appreciated.

As for your last sentence, I 100% agree with that. For better or for worse.
#599185
the issue with that for trump is he has to figure out a way to stamp his name on that plan.

the other issues is that most of these governors are beholden to their urban counties for the most part. i'm in illinois. the fat idiot we have will only do what he thinks is best for chicago. stupid.

same with the jack*** in michigan. and so on and so forth.
#599240
RubberMallet wrote:the issue with that for trump is he has to figure out a way to stamp his name on that plan.

the other issues is that most of these governors are beholden to their urban counties for the most part. i'm in illinois. the fat idiot we have will only do what he thinks is best for chicago. stupid.

same with the jack*** in michigan. and so on and so forth.
Same here too. If it ain't in NOVA or Richmond, the rest of Virginia doesn't exist.
By thepostman
#599251
RubberMallet wrote: April 14th, 2020, 5:06 pm the issue with that for trump is he has to figure out a way to stamp his name on that plan.
He is stamping his name on the physical stimulus checks being mailed out, does that count?
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