[alabama24]

I apologize if it seems like I'm just out to argue about everything. It's truly not my purpose. I like to share my views, as well as to learn hear from other people regarding their points of view.

Jbock - No offense taken. Just because I would not vote FOR Romney, doesn't mean I would vote FOR Obama. Generally I agree that it is best to vote for the best of the "electable" candidates. Last go around I voted for McCain twice because I thought he was the most conservative of the "electable" candidates. There were other people I liked better (Mike Huckabee & Jeb Bush for example), but either they didn't run or I didn't think they had a good chance of winning.

[alabama24]

While you make many good points Alabama, all I will say is that many Mormon's view themselves as Christians. I actually know people that go to BYU, and they will tell you right off the bat they view themselves as Christians too. We've had a few conversations with them over it and I can't say that any of them were trying to be slick or dishonest.

I agree that "Joe Mormon" does not know the differences between their faith and historic Christianity. Likewise, there are many who are unaware of the doctrinal issues I listed earlier. Anyone who was married in a Mormon Temple should be aware of the major tenants of Mormonism. Any major politician running for president should be aware of the basic tenants of Christianity. There is no way that Romney does not know that Christianity believes in ONE God, while his faith teaches that he will one day BECOME a god.

[jbock13]

And while you're theology about mormonism is dead on, I just personally don't believe it's something that should disqualify him from being president. That's just my personal view.

[Purple Haize]

What I keep coming back to is the "purity test" question. Do Romneys beliefs run counter to what is deemed "American". I really don't think he is being dishonest about his faith. I believe he IS Joe Mormon. I am sure he would consider himself a Christian, whether we do or not. I AM different in that I don't hold a persons religious belief against them, so long as it doesn't espouse overthrown America or any such craziness. I don't think it is so much about him being dishonest about his faith as it is other people reading more into it then there is. He does not talk much about his faith because he knows it could be a sticky issue, and that a persons faith is there own and should be separate from politics. Again, in my opinion, his Mormonism is an issue if he were running for Dean, but as President I got nothing. I would ask what about his moral beliefs are people finding objectionable? ( and don't quote general Mormon dogma because we all would find areas of disagreement with some our denominational positions.). What moral positions does he take that fly in the face of evangelical Christianty? ( of course, if he holds tight to that no caffeine thing...)

[alabama24]

Jbock & Purple Haize - Anyone running for President should certainly understand that Christianity is monotheistic. It is inconceivable that Romney doesn't know that mormonism isn't. At the very least, he should be researching what the hubbub has been. It is ridiculous to think that Romney doesn't know better. After all, he went through this the last time he ran for president. It should be nothing new. If it is, then he is incompetent to be president. Either way, I will not be voting for him. That, you can count on.

[Purple Haize]

Jbock & Purple Haize - Anyone running for President should certainly understand that Christianity is monotheistic. n.

And what does that have to do with tax policy? Foreign relations? The deficit? Energy independence . I guess to bumper sticker my view. I would not want a pastor as a politician and I would not want a politician for a pastor.

[jbock13]

Jbock & Purple Haize - Anyone running for President should certainly understand that Christianity is monotheistic. n.

And what does that have to do with tax policy? Foreign relations? The deficit? Energy independence . I guess to bumper sticker my view. I would not want a pastor as a politician and I would not want a politician for a pastor.

Right on Haize.

[thepostman]

I get it, but what's next? Mitt likes eating cheeseburgers, and I don't, so that's a good reason to vote against him?

What if the Republican is an agnostic, and the Democrat a Jew? Do I as a Christian just sit home and not vote? Just trying to understand here.

wow great comparison....cheeseburger eating and the mormon faith.

I get where you are coming from but you have some of the worse arguments for your views. Even the views I agree with. Sometimes you should just not type...or every time

[alabama24]

I would not want a pastor as a politician and I would not want a politician for a pastor.

Who said I wanted a Pastor for a [President]? I don't. Actually, I don't want a politician, which is what Romney is.

[RubberMallet]

He continues to insist that he is a "Christian" and downplays any differences. In essence, he insists that mormonism is just another denomination. What he doesn't tell you is that The Church Of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints claims that all other churches are apostate.

While you make many good points Alabama, all I will say is that many Mormon's view themselves as Christians. I actually know people that go to BYU, and they will tell you right off the bat they view themselves as Christians too. We've had a few conversations with them over it and I can't say that any of them were trying to be slick or dishonest.

thats because most are completely clueless as to the core tenets of Christianity. many of them are clueless to the tenets of their own religion (which can unfortunately be said about Christians as well)

[RubberMallet]

I would not want a pastor as a politician and I would not want a politician for a pastor.

Who said I wanted a Pastor for a [President]? I don't. Actually, I don't want a politician, which is what Romney is.

you'll go round and round, don't worry about it, they are plenty happy with a cultist, lamebrain candidate with a nice haircut.

[Purple Haize]

He continues to insist that he is a "Christian" and downplays any differences. In essence, he insists that mormonism is just another denomination. What he doesn't tell you is that The Church Of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints claims that all other churches are apostate.

While you make many good points Alabama, all I will say is that many Mormon's view themselves as Christians. I actually know people that go to BYU, and they will tell you right off the bat they view themselves as Christians too. We've had a few conversations with them over it and I can't say that any of them were trying to be slick or dishonest.

thats because most are completely clueless as to the core tenets of Christianity. many of them are clueless to the tenets of their own religion (which can unfortunately be said about Christians as well)

So how do you determine whichChristians are clueless about it's tenants? Is this another purity test that has to be passed? Again I think you are confusing what a position is of the LDS and Romneys beliefs. The Mormons I have worked with do not hold the opinion that all other churches are apostate, although they do claim that they are still "Christian"It is not uncommon to disagree with certain parts of your church or denominations tenants but still align yourself with them. I certainly don't agree with all of the positions of the denomination or church or schools or seminaries that I have attended, and I would wager I am not alone.
But again, how does this affect duties of a President? Are you claiming he is going to be taking his marching orders from Salt Lake City? These are 2 questions you have only answered by name calling and hyperbole.

[RubberMallet]

like i said, most have no idea what their church actually believes. the lds is a denomination of the mormon church and is the most common. it makes up 99% of the mormon church. unless they are apart of the AUB, the CoC, or any of the other handful of denominations, they technically are apart of the lds which is the lds, nothing else.

i'm not so sure whey you are so upset that i don't want someone who is able to be duped into such a ridiculous religion that can't stand on its own 2 feet theologically and historically shouldn't be president.

but then again we are now finding out you apparently just consider mormonism another denomination of Christianity so i guess we shouldnt' be surprised.

or you must really like his hair.

[Purple Haize]

like i said, most have no idea what their church actually believes. the lds is a denomination of the mormon church and is the most common. it makes up 99% of the mormon church. unless they are apart of the AUB, the CoC, or any of the other handful of denominations, they technically are apart of the lds which is the lds, nothing else.

i'm not so sure whey you are so upset that i don't want someone who is able to be duped into such a ridiculous religion that can't stand on its own 2 feet theologically and historically shouldn't be president.

but then again we are now finding out you apparently just consider mormonism another denomination of Christianity so i guess we shouldnt' be surprised.

or you must really like his hair.

Well I do like his hair.
I don't care if someone running for president doesn't believe exactly like I do. Yes I have theological issues with Mormonism, but I'm not sure that disqualifies someone from office, and you have not given one reason why it should. Im not sure why you impune his intelligence, he has done quite well for himself and those who worked for him. He is articulate, well spoken and proved he can get things done and turn things around. I see no evidence of him being a dullard. If your only example is h is choice of faith, that is a very shallow argument.
Do you have theological issues with Christian denominations? Does that disqualify any of their followers from running for office? Obviously, a Jewish candidate would have no chance. A catholic would have a rough time too, and probably an Anglican. None of that has anything to do with the responsibilities of being President.

[RubberMallet]

there are plenty of cork on the fork retards who have "done well for themselves". i have a sales guy who is articulate, well spoken, and "does well for himself". he's a complete nitwit. you keep refering to other denominations. if a denomination held some of the asinine and ridiculous beliefs that mormonism holds and one of their members ran for president, i'd probably not vote for them either.

i understand your point. but its invalid in this case. if a guy takes a ridiculous stand on his worldview, that which the entire foundation of his life is built on(not if he puts pickles on his cheeseburger), i'm not buying regardless his political views. it just happens that this guy is more wishy washy than kerry.

[ALUmnus]

I listened to the Cain/Gingrich c-span debate today at work (debate was on Saturday). First, I'll say that the format is perfect for two people, possibly three. I'd love to see the presidential candidates do this.

As for this debate, it pretty much concluded that Herman Cain is in over his head. He really doesn't have enough of a grasp on the issues as he should. This debate only covered 3 things (three entitlement programs), 3 very big and prominent issues, and the topic was known to the debaters way in advance. Yet he still didn't seem to know the details about anything, and all his answers were very vague and conceptual. At one point, he told Newt, "you go first", because I don't think he really understood the question. The two were very nice to each other the whole time, not once going on the attack. But I think if Cain was pushed on any of his answers, he would have collapsed.

He's got his 999 Plan (for better or worse), but that's about it. I really wanted him to be a serious issues candidate, but he's not. I don't think he'd do well against Obama.

[jbock13]

BUMP

Just wanted to point out I was right about Cain

[flamehunter]

Cain is as dumb as the folks in SimCity

Is this what you were right about? If not please provide your quote and what recent event(s) prove your superior prophetic abilities.... I really want to know!

[Purple Haize]

I'm sad to see him flame out. I still have questions about the legitimacy of these women's claims but what can you do!
I do find it funny that I keep hearing Huntsmans name as the next name to surge but I've never heard 1 conservative, Tea Party or otherwise, really sing his praises.
It's Newt and Romney down the stretch.

[jbock13]

Cain is as dumb as the folks in SimCity

Is this what you were right about? If not please provide your quote and what recent event(s) prove your superior prophetic abilities.... I really want to know!

Wow. Way to pull that quote out of context. For fairness sake, let's post the entire quote instead!


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Re: Herman Cain
by jbock13 » October 13th, 2011, 4:19 pm

"which of course, is suppose to somehow mean that Cain is as dumb as the folks in SimCity

By that I mean the writers who came up with that are trying to infer that. Amazing how liberals try to spin everything."

Now first, my comment was that the liberal media wants you to think that Herman Cain is stupid. So, they run a story saying that Cain "stole" the idea (what they inference) from Sim City. And btw, did you ever notice the eyeroll?

So, nice try. I told you all he was just the flavor of the week.

[flamehunter]

I knew what you were saying there jbock. Just picking at you a little because you were bragging again how right you were. If you're going to brag, please provide context and proof. That is all.

[thepostman]

jbock why must you brag whenever you think you were right??? Are you THAT insecure? haha

[jbock13]

Nope, it's cause I'm that awesome