[jbock13]

Where did I say I liked Gandhi? I just stole his quote to apply it to how I felt about Paul. Nothing more, nothing less.

[RubberMallet]

yes yes yes, back to the ole, paul supporters attack me rouse. we get it.

[jbock13]

yes yes yes, back to the ole, paul supporters attack me rouse. we get it.

not what I said either. I was having fun with it.

[NotAJerry]

so
old school conservatives = classical liberals + social conservatism
neo-cons= modern liberals + social conservatism

That's a pretty fair assessment of it. The difference in the social conservatism of the two would be the level of federal regulation each would support.

[thepostman]

I still haven't found this majority of Ron Paul supporters you talk of jbock. I have seen them on tv, but that is kind of expected.

[jbock13]

I still haven't found this majority of Ron Paul supporters you talk of jbock. I have seen them on tv, but that is kind of expected.

Theyre in my classes everyday here at LU.

[jmdickens]

Oh, and Gandhi was a fool, I wouldn't go around quoting him.

Stealing NAS's lines? lol, but yes idealism can be called fool-hearted

[jmdickens]

The typical Ron Paul supporter does not understand how to disagree with anyone. I couldn't tell you, even to this day I get called a neo-con when I say that Paul is wrong on illegal immigration, and that waterboarding is torture, even though I largely agree with his foreign policy. That's the reason I misunderstood what he stood for because of all the nuts out there. Everyday I hear Ron Paul guys talking about the government poisoning the water, government shutting down the internet, bilderberg, people living under the earth, etc. on and on.

Stop assuming. You should say some of the Paul supporters you meet or interact with instead of overgeneralizing. Does that help? lol

Yeah, I remember the water thing. That is huge in TExas, but I did live in Alex Jones's territory and met him at a Founder's Day parade when our kids were on the same ride. Was very nice BTW and didnt act so crazy in person, hence the salesman knows he is full of it. Kind of reminds me of Bill O'Reilly and Glen Beck. They live the role long enough, they don't know when to come back to reality.

Can a computer tech savvy person explain how someone could even think they could shut off the internet? i mean, really? I just can't see any possible scenario where someone would do that.

Bilderberg might be the only legit thing. Might be so dont start crap.

I have never heard of people living under the earth, but that is about as crazy as people living on the moon.

[jbock13]

Bilderberg might be the only legit thing. Might be so dont start crap.

I didn't say all of his supporters are like that. Cause I'm not. Whether it's some, or many, I've met enough in my life to say that it is many. But I know why a lot of people despise Ron Paul. And, surprise, it's not him.

Glenn Beck is sometimes crazy. When he goes after Obama it's pretty good and he's very accurate, but when he starts about this end of the world in the Bible and food insurance thing it's like, wow. And O'Reilly has always been a snob that nobody takes seriously.

[thepostman]

I still haven't found this majority of Ron Paul supporters you talk of jbock. I have seen them on tv, but that is kind of expected.

Theyre in my classes everyday here at LU.

ahhh. Not trying to be one of those old guys, but that explains a lot.

[jbock13]

I still haven't found this majority of Ron Paul supporters you talk of jbock. I have seen them on tv, but that is kind of expected.

Theyre in my classes everyday here at LU.

ahhh. Not trying to be one of those old guys, but that explains a lot.

And that is a fair point I do acknowledge.

Besides I know from my own experience, there was so much I thought I knew at 18 and now two years later I realize how foolish I was. I'm sure this will amuse everyone but Sean Hannity was actually the one who got me into politics by me listening to him

[Purple Haize]

JBock hits the nail on the head. The majority of Ron Paul supporters are defensive and have a serious martyr complex. Theirs is the ONLY view of the Constitution that is pure right and true. All others are nothing more then neocons/neo-cons Liberals Pinkos New World Order ball blah blah. News Flash: The Constitution is open to interpretations. Some interpretations I agree with some not so much. But to have the audacity to state THEIR way is the only way makes them into the exact same type of person they claim others are.

And Ben Kingsley did a great job in Gandhi!

[NotAJerry]

JBock hits the nail on the head. The majority of Ron Paul supporters are defensive and have a serious martyr complex. Theirs is the ONLY view of the Constitution that is pure right and true. All others are nothing more then neocons/neo-cons Liberals Pinkos New World Order ball blah blah. News Flash: The Constitution is open to interpretations. Some interpretations I agree with some not so much. But to have the audacity to state THEIR way is the only way makes them into the exact same type of person they claim others are.

And Ben Kingsley did a great job in Gandhi!

The majority? Other than namecalling and stereotyping, I see no real evidence. Just a bunch of conjecture based on "people I know" type arguments.

The right view of the Constitution is the view the writers/founders had. It's fairly simple to find their view as a multitude of personal and professional letters exist as well as collections such as The Federalist Papers and The Anti-Federalist Papers.

[Purple Haize]

And Ben Kingsley did a great job in Gandhi!

The majority? Other than namecalling and stereotyping, I see no real evidence. Just a bunch of conjecture based on "people I know" type arguments.

The right view of the Constitution is the view the writers/founders had. It's fairly simple to find their view as a multitude of personal and professional letters exist as well as collections such as The Federalist Papers and The Anti-Federalist Papers.

I listen to the talk shows. I read the websites. I'm accosted by solicitors. So that wouldn't be only 'people I know' generalizations. These are the people who follow Ron Paul. And you make my point. The Founders didn't even agree with each other about what the Constitution meant all the time. Add to that the much more complex society and world we live in today and it is very easy to see how people can read the same document and come up with different Heck, the Bible is supposed to be a blue print for faith and we have everyone from KJV only to Snake handling polygamists interpreting the Bible. So why would a document created to govern a small group of territories a great distance from contemporary national powers be any different? interpretations. George W famous quote about foreign entanglements is mis quoted so many times it's absurd.

[jmdickens]

I listen to the talk shows. I read the websites. I'm accosted by solicitors. So that wouldn't be only 'people I know' generalizations. These are the people who follow Ron Paul. And you make my point. The Founders didn't even agree with each other about what the Constitution meant all the time. Add to that the much more complex society and world we live in today and it is very easy to see how people can read the same document and come up with different Heck, the Bible is supposed to be a blue print for faith and we have everyone from KJV only to Snake handling polygamists interpreting the Bible. So why would a document created to govern a small group of territories a great distance from contemporary national powers be any different? interpretations. George W famous quote about foreign entanglements is mis quoted so many times it's absurd.

Purple is correct. The founding fathers only meant for the constitution and this form of government to be temporary. Not a one size fits all solution, except get rid of most of govt.

[jbock13]

JBock hits the nail on the head. The majority of Ron Paul supporters are defensive and have a serious martyr complex. Theirs is the ONLY view of the Constitution that is pure right and true. All others are nothing more then neocons/neo-cons Liberals Pinkos New World Order ball blah blah. News Flash: The Constitution is open to interpretations. Some interpretations I agree with some not so much. But to have the audacity to state THEIR way is the only way makes them into the exact same type of person they claim others are.

And Ben Kingsley did a great job in Gandhi!

The majority? Other than namecalling and stereotyping, I see no real evidence. Just a bunch of conjecture based on "people I know" type arguments..

Uhm, you're one of them.

[thepostman]

What people who are willing to go around campaigning for a certain candidate aren't completely obnoxious about it? It takes a certain kind of person to go around bothering people about their political candidate, just sayin

[jbock13]

Postman, you like Ron Paul but you don't barrage it on our heads everyday like others do on here. Yes it's okay to be passionate but is screaming "liberty" in someone's ear a good idea? Cause Paul supporters have done that.

The problem is that people lack the understanding that by most, I do not mean all. If you talked on a radio station, and said "Most green people are criminals." You'd be surprised all the people would call in and say, "I'm green, and I'm not a criminal." But did I ever say you were a criminal?

So that's why these kinds of arguments get lost in translation sometimes.

[NotAJerry]

JBock hits the nail on the head. The majority of Ron Paul supporters are defensive and have a serious martyr complex. Theirs is the ONLY view of the Constitution that is pure right and true. All others are nothing more then neocons/neo-cons Liberals Pinkos New World Order ball blah blah. News Flash: The Constitution is open to interpretations. Some interpretations I agree with some not so much. But to have the audacity to state THEIR way is the only way makes them into the exact same type of person they claim others are.

And Ben Kingsley did a great job in Gandhi!

The majority? Other than namecalling and stereotyping, I see no real evidence. Just a bunch of conjecture based on "people I know" type arguments..

Uhm, you're one of them.

And yet I haven't done any of that. You're the one who has gotten all self-righteous and bent out of shape about "most" Ron Paul supporters because you "know" them from your classes. Just like everything else here, you've done nothing but generalize, name call and show an amazing amount of arrogance.

[Purple Haize]

NOJ- yet you claim by your own actions you are indicative of most Paul supporters. I see far more people act like those I've read and seen then JBock or you claim to act.

[jbock13]

You just now realized I'm arrogant? Heck anyone could tell you I am!

But I'm also a nice guy.

But let's also not get this twisted... I voted for Ron Paul and felt he was best of all the candidates.

As a reformed neo-con (which btw I never called myself because nobody who is one really know what it means), the reason I didnt get Paul's message was because of his supporters. When I heard Ron Paul speak, it made sense, which is why i support him. Much more logical than the nutcases I knew from school and work.

Lastly, at one point do you guys listen? There's many folks who hate Paul because of his supporters. Like I did. At what point do enough people have to say this until you get the message? I'm certainly not alone in my thinking.

And Haize, you got me wrong. While I am a Paul supporter, there are these elements in there. I just have the guts to say it.

[RubberMallet]

Postman, you like Ron Paul but you don't barrage it on our heads everyday like others do on here. Yes it's okay to be passionate but is screaming "liberty" in someone's ear a good idea? Cause Paul supporters have done that.

The problem is that people lack the understanding that by most, I do not mean all. If you talked on a radio station, and said "Most green people are criminals." You'd be surprised all the people would call in and say, "I'm green, and I'm not a criminal." But did I ever say you were a criminal?

So that's why these kinds of arguments get lost in translation sometimes.

we understand that your environment is conducive to nutjobs. for the most part, the majority of people in college who are passionate about politics are socially inept and intellectual frauds.

the far left and right have just as many if not more complete asshats who annoy everyone.

and it doesn't take "guts" to say anything on a message board. lmao.

[jbock13]

Just for good advice... what would you say to someone who is turning into a neo-neocon?

[Purple Haize]

Just for good advice... what would you say to someone who is turning into a neo-neocon?

Use the Force.