[SuperJon]

Not allowing Driscoll is completely idiotic and is a terrible decision. The dude has apologized from some of the stuff he did when he was younger. He's one of the top pastors in America, is a great speaker and writer, and the majority of our students would love to hear him. This is a classic case of the board of trustees being completely out of touch with the students.

[ALUmnus]

Not allowing Driscoll is completely idiotic and is a terrible decision. The dude has apologized from some of the stuff he did when he was younger. He's one of the top pastors in America, is a great speaker and writer, and the majority of our students would love to hear him. This is a classic case of the board of trustees being completely out of touch with the students.

Or maybe it's just the board of directors know more about Driscoll than the students do. Making every decision based on the pulse of the student body would be tragic.

And "one of the top pastors in America" based on what? Church attendance? Celebrity? Go back to what Scorcho said about making stars out of pastors. Not a good idea.

[bradyfan]

Not that this has anything to do with the conversation, because I know nothing of Mark Driscoll, but everytime I go to convo and hear some sermon about sex and marriage I just roll my eyes. We get it! And the ones who don't never will anyway.

I think so many young Christians get this "sex is great when you're married" thrown at them, and they go run off and get engaged at 19 and 20. They think it's love, but really it's for other reasons. Not that this is everybody of course, but it's just my opinion. But I think there has to be a correlation because we cram so many Christian youth into thinking this.

I'm sure sex in marriage is great. But if you're getting married based on that sole purpose, you're in for a rude awakening. Because so many emphasize it, we're already dooming thousands of marriages from the day they start. I know a lot of personal friends of mine, strong Christians, they get married at 19, and they listened to sermons that often were on this sort of subject.

Just my opinion though.

+1 completely.

I'm not going to get into a theological debate about this because I feel that time would be better spent witnessing

are you doing that?

Am I starting a theological debate? Not trying to, just writing about my opinion. Am I witnessing? Of course but who are you to question whether or not I'm witnessing?

[LUconn]

I'm questioning whether or not you are taking the time that you would have spent debating theology and witnessing instead. As if you were headed downtown to hit the pavement but caught up typing out theology on flamefans. I'm just trying to think of a scenario where these 2 things are intertwined. I guess it's not important enough for us to be bickering about. I just thought it was a silly statement.

[bradyfan]

I'm questioning whether or not you are taking the time that you would have spent debating theology and witnessing instead. As if you were headed downtown to hit the pavement but caught up typing out theology on flamefans. I'm just trying to think of a scenario where these 2 things are intertwined. I guess it's not important enough for us to be bickering about. I just thought it was a silly statement.

It's not a silly statement but I do understand your point. For the record, the company I work for focuses on witnessing within the courses we offer. Additionally, my dorm goes through the community witnessing or just pitching in about every weekend. So, I spend quite a bit of time doing that. My point was more focused on the people who spend their whole lives debating theology but never step outside their home and actually spread the gospel. It was more pointed at the people who are pointing out something Driscoll said, and would rather be focused on that, versus focusing on all the great things he's done for non-Christians.

[RubberMallet]

I'm questioning whether or not you are taking the time that you would have spent debating theology and witnessing instead. As if you were headed downtown to hit the pavement but caught up typing out theology on flamefans. I'm just trying to think of a scenario where these 2 things are intertwined. I guess it's not important enough for us to be bickering about. I just thought it was a silly statement.

hopefully his witnessing ability is better than his ability produce well thought out sports opinions.

[jbock13]

I'm questioning whether or not you are taking the time that you would have spent debating theology and witnessing instead. As if you were headed downtown to hit the pavement but caught up typing out theology on flamefans. I'm just trying to think of a scenario where these 2 things are intertwined. I guess it's not important enough for us to be bickering about. I just thought it was a silly statement.

hopefully his witnessing ability is better than his ability produce well thought out sports opinions.

+1

I just hope he doesn't do sports ministry. That might not turn out so well.

[BJWilliams]

https://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=5 ... N=87367281


http://spoutingnonsense.wordpress.com/2 ... tatements/

[jcmanson]

Liberty's statement (from Beej's link):

On April 4, 2012, a Southern Baptist blogger, Peter Lumpkins, wrote an innacurate account of Liberty's recent Board of Trustees meeting as it relates to the university's invitation to Mark Driscoll to speak in Convocation. Lumpkin’s recent blog contains information that is defamatory and portrays Liberty University in a false light.

The Board of Trustees of Liberty University did not vote unanimously that Mark Driscoll is not welcome on campus, as the blog states, and, in fact, Mark Driscoll is still scheduled to speak in Convocation at Liberty University on April 20, 2012.

Liberty University's legal counsel has demanded the immediate removal of the post. Liberty University is also posting this notification so that our community is informed as to the inaccuracy of the post, and advised that Lumpkins' blog is clearly being used to disseminate misinformation about Liberty University and to cause strife and harm to the university.

[thepostman]

The fact that this kind of thing continually happens within Christians circles is sad. I know we are all human, but seriously???

[jcmanson]

Maybe JLFjr will come on here and publicly call out some posters and have them recant their post

[belcherboy]

https://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=5 ... N=87367281


http://spoutingnonsense.wordpress.com/2 ... tatements/

Thanks for the post. You saved me from an embarrassing letter! A few of us LU Alum were getting ready to send a nasty one to the board of trustees about it.

Misinformation still surrounds LU. Some things never change.

[SuperJon]

And "one of the top pastors in America" based on what? Church attendance? Celebrity? Go back to what Scorcho said about making stars out of pastors. Not a good idea.

I get what you're saying about the celebrity, and I agreed with Scorcho when his first post was originally made. The fact still remains that Driscoll is one of the top pastors in America.

His church is on the leading edge of the multi-site movement and taking the Gospel into places where it wouldn't be shared otherwise. (Yes, there are other churches in the places they're going, but not with the same voice and angle that Mars Hill goes about it.)

He started the Acts 29 Network which has planted over 300 churches.

He has written theology books that present very hard to understand facets of our faith in a way that the average, every day person can understand them.

Yes, Driscoll used to say some words that good-ole-Christians shouldn't say. Apparently everyone else on the planet is allowed to make a mistake and learn from it except for big name pastors.

[BJWilliams]

https://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=5 ... N=87367281


http://spoutingnonsense.wordpress.com/2 ... tatements/

Thanks for the post. You saved me from an embarrassing letter! A few of us LU Alum were getting ready to send a nasty one to the board of trustees about it.

Misinformation still surrounds LU. Some things never change.

No problem...I checked the blog out and looks like its still up there...I hope Mr Lumpkins has money for a good lawyer...

[LUconn]

Liberty University's legal counsel has demanded the immediate removal of the post. Liberty University is also posting this notification so that our community is informed as to the inaccuracy of the post, and advised that Lumpkins' blog is clearly being used to disseminate misinformation about Liberty University and to cause strife and harm to the university.

This is pretty interesting. Only because I can remember some of the things that have been said and discussed here. This is probably always in the back of Sly's mind.

[flamesfan30]

the comments on that ariticle are pure gold. liberty students (including myself) have gone over their and made reasonable rational arguments (with some unfortunate exceptions who REALLY arent helping anything), and the response is consistently some sort of legalistic babble. its just hilarious and gives me an incredibly strong desire to post this video:

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[rueful]

Man, yesterday my site tweeted a link to a youth ministry blog that had jerk in the title, and people freaked out. Christians are too comfortable if they can't handle hearing a swear word. Try doing ministry in a blue state for a while and you will quickly realize how unimportant swear words are. I get it that in Georgia and the carolinas, you consider someone who doesn't make it to every sunday service as an atheist, but geeze.

[LUconn]

The irony of your post and the flamefans auto censor is hilarious. As to what you said, if you're being berated by swearing all day long in the vulgar blue states, they probably don't need it from their youth pastor.

[Schfourteenteen]

Liberty University's legal counsel has demanded the immediate removal of the post. Liberty University is also posting this notification so that our community is informed as to the inaccuracy of the post, and advised that Lumpkins' blog is clearly being used to disseminate misinformation about Liberty University and to cause strife and harm to the university.

This is pretty interesting. Only because I can remember some of the things that have been said and discussed here. This is probably always in the back of Sly's mind.

Right. Of course they couldn't really correct any of that Asa crap.

[rueful]

The irony of your post and the flamefans auto sensor is hilarious. As to what you said, if you're being berated by swearing all day long in the vulgar blue states, they probably don't need it from their youth pastor.

haha I was wondering what it would change it to when I wrote it. I don't swear, but I'm not offended by it, and I'm certainly not going to tell a student that comes to church to cut it out unless I know them. All I was trying to say is that the bible belt needs to figure out if this is a hill worth dying on. Most people, I feel, already realize that there are far worse things than if a Pastor uses the F bomb in a sermon.

My problem is that when driscoll does it, its one thing, it works, its who he is and who he ministers to, I have no problem when he does it. But I feel there are too many that try and emulate him because it works for him, and its a colossal failure when they do.

I love this clip from Matt Chandler talking about that.

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[Kolzilla41]

I am hoping that the current students, staff, faculty, and alumni I saw taking Liberty to the woodshed over this have a big enough set to apologize. This guy writes an offsite blog and people take it as gospel without researching it. It's pretty shameful.

[JK37]

I am hoping that the current students, staff, faculty, and alumni I saw taking Liberty to the woodshed over this have a big enough set to apologize. This guy writes an offsite blog and people take it as gospel without researching it. It's pretty shameful.

Seems to me there's a few parts to this being all muddled together: LU invitingthe guy to speak, Lu trustees expressing concern over invitation, a blogger who probably overexpressed the trustees' concern.

If any alumni/students/staff/faculty took "Liberty to the woodshed" over the decision to invite Driscoll, that's their right as long as they defend it. If they were taken in by a blogger's lie, than that realization alone should be enough. What more do you want, Bob?

I don't know much about this Driscoll Except what I've read here. What gives?

[Sly Fox]

I think both sides overreacted to a certain degree. Those attacking the decision to have Driscoll speak and those who disparaged the school for supposedly "dis-inviting" him. But it certainly did expose that there remain significant differing viewpoints.

[Kolzilla41]

I am hoping that the current students, staff, faculty, and alumni I saw taking Liberty to the woodshed over this have a big enough set to apologize. This guy writes an offsite blog and people take it as gospel without researching it. It's pretty shameful.

Seems to me there's a few parts to this being all muddled together: LU invitingthe guy to speak, Lu trustees expressing concern over invitation, a blogger who probably overexpressed the trustees' concern.

If any alumni/students/staff/faculty took "Liberty to the woodshed" over the decision to invite Driscoll, that's their right as long as they defend it. If they were taken in by a blogger's lie, than that realization alone should be enough. What more do you want, Bob?

I don't know much about this Driscoll Except what I've read here. What gives?

The thing that bothers me is no one gave Liberty the benefit of holding off before publically chastising the school ( mostly liberty folk.) still don't know what truth is yet but Its sad to see no one have faith in the administration.

[BJWilliams]

Seems he is fighting like a cornered animal: http://peterlumpkins.typepad.com/

Considering that (according to the other blog I posted) everyone on the board pledges confidentiality, there are three possibilities:

1) (and the one I think many around here are considering) Pastor Lumpkins is lying and this is going to lead to some legal action on the part of the school
2) The school is lying which would be a MAJOR PR hit but since these minutes are confidential Id say this one wont be considered as much (except by the people who have swallowed what Pastor Lumpkins has posted), but the person who leaked the info (if it were true) would probably not be on the board anymore