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By flamehunter
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TH Spangler wrote: June 2nd, 2024, 5:50 pm
ATrain wrote: June 2nd, 2024, 4:02 pm ....without truly even understanding biology and fetal/infant development ..
No, the liberal/left is confused there :lol:
I disagree. They understand it, they just don't care.
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By TH Spangler
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flamehunter wrote: June 3rd, 2024, 6:41 am
TH Spangler wrote: June 2nd, 2024, 5:50 pm
ATrain wrote: June 2nd, 2024, 4:02 pm ....without truly even understanding biology and fetal/infant development ..
No, the liberal/left is confused there :lol:
I disagree. They understand it, they just don't care.
They're still trying to define who can get pregnant.

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By ATrain
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TH Spangler wrote: June 2nd, 2024, 5:50 pm
ATrain wrote: June 2nd, 2024, 4:02 pm ....without truly even understanding biology and fetal/infant development ..
No, the liberal/left is confused there :lol:
Its not either/or, both can be vastly wrong for very different reasons.
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By TH Spangler
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Wow, Virginia is in play. Trump needs to get these republican leaders together and hold a rally in downtown Richmond!

Tim Scott: U.S. Senator from South Carolina, known for his work on tax reform and efforts to create opportunity zones.

Winsome Sears: Lieutenant Governor of Virginia, the first black woman to hold statewide office in Virginia.

Mark Robinson: Lieutenant Governor of North Carolina, an advocate for conservative values and education reform. Hopflly NC'S next Governor.

Byron Donalds: U.S. Representative for Florida’s 19th congressional district, focusing on fiscal responsibility and community development.
By Yacht Rock
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Voted D for the first time in my life in the last election and will be doing it again this time. Actually, our whole house (3 voters) will be doing it and several others I know (who are registered R) are heading that way as well.
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By jmclaughlin
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Yacht Rock wrote: June 11th, 2024, 10:51 am Voted D for the first time in my life in the last election and will be doing it again this time. Actually, our whole house (3 voters) will be doing it and several others I know (who are registered R) are heading that way as well.
Why? I understand the loathing of Trump. I join you there but.... when the other side is offering Biden or 4 more years of the worst foreign, domestic and social executive administration in our lifetime. I dont get it?
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By TH Spangler
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Yacht Rock wrote: June 11th, 2024, 10:51 am Voted D for the first time in my life in the last election and will be doing it again this time. Actually, our whole house (3 voters) will be doing it and several others I know (who are registered R) are heading that way as well.
Take a look at the D party's platform. If you're comfortable with it, by all means go for it. :?
By Yacht Rock
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It comes down to which one I think poses a greater risk to our country. Since I don't have to guess (have lived through years of Trump and years of Biden), I go with Trump posing a greater risk.

In addition, as a Christian, my faith leads me to vote that way. It's a fairly easy decision for our family.
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By prototype
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Yacht Rock wrote: June 11th, 2024, 12:57 pm It comes down to which one I think poses a greater risk to our country. Since I don't have to guess (have lived through years of Trump and years of Biden), I go with Trump posing a greater risk.

In addition, as a Christian, my faith leads me to vote that way. It's a fairly easy decision for our family.
Good for you. You're making a decision for yourself and that's your choice....

I'm not a big fan of Trump, but I'm a big fan of the policies he supports... I lived through both also, as a leader of a family and a business, and I can say without a doubt - Biden has been much worse on both fronts. And you mention Christian - not sure how any Christian would vote for a party that supports Abortion 100% - Taking a life out of convenience is a "no-vote" for me - as for my 3 other voters in my house - it's their choice to make - not mine. But, I'm pretty sure they vote the same way.
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By jmclaughlin
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Yacht Rock wrote: June 11th, 2024, 12:57 pm It comes down to which one I think poses a greater risk to our country. Since I don't have to guess (have lived through years of Trump and years of Biden), I go with Trump posing a greater risk.

In addition, as a Christian, my faith leads me to vote that way. It's a fairly easy decision for our family.
Now I know you are trolling! Greatest Risk to our Country:
Record illegal immigration and increasing daily
Record inflation (As a direct result of passing his only achievement in office in 3+ years..."the inflation reduction act" by pumping an additional $740 Billion into an overstressed economy)
Afghanistan withdrawal and subsequent funding of Iran which led to directly to the funding of Hamas's attack of Israel
Push to use OSHA to force vaccination on every American citizen
Weaponization of the DOJ (the #3 in his cabinet litigated the case against his opponent in a sham trial in NY)
Foreign meddling and family corruption in laundering money from Ukraine, Russia, China...etc, (For decades)
Not to mention POTUS's inability to stay coherent for > a 10 minute stretch without being swept away by enablers.
The #2 being even more incompetent, to the point that she has 0 known responsibilities. Remember when she was assigned as the border czar...for about 15 minutes? What does she do now?
Just a few that immediately come to mind

This current Administration is the greatest threat we have. Bigger than the Chinese gov, Iran and Russia combined. Joe Biden isn't even sentient at this moment so I don't blame him. He has always been feckless and power hungry but no one believes that he is actively pulling levers any longer. He is being used by nefarious actors because the ignorant, media influenced dopes can rally behind the idea of a good ole' Uncle Joe, while destroying any fiber of a "Christian Nation" we have left.

Again, I am saddened that Trump is what we have to rally behind as conservatives. We should have better to choose from but as a Christian, he is the most sensible choice. For me, Trumps biggest endorsement is from those who actively promote the destruction of our nation and their shared open hatred for Trump. i.e. Ilhan Omar, George Soros, Hollywood lappies, etc.

We all have the obvious in front of us. We did have 4 years of Trump that benefited the majority of Americans, pre-Covid. No new wars, Stood for pro-life, supported conservative judges, secured our border, a rolling economy, supported law enforcement all the while fighting of senseless slander at the cost of personal wealth. He didn't go after his enemy's in court (even after the "lock her up" chants). IMO- He should have because of what we know now, the D's cooked up the whole Russian interference under the direction of Obama and Clinton. Then you can contrast that with Biden's time in office. I don't see how anyone who seeks objectivity would even struggle with the decision.
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By TH Spangler
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I don't look at this election as Trump vs Biden. But as two VERY different social, and economic agendas.

The past several elections, Ive voted AGAINST what I consider a Godless set of policies one side pushes. I also vote for jobs, and less dependency on China.
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By prototype
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:clapping
jmclaughlin wrote: June 11th, 2024, 2:03 pm
Yacht Rock wrote: June 11th, 2024, 12:57 pm It comes down to which one I think poses a greater risk to our country. Since I don't have to guess (have lived through years of Trump and years of Biden), I go with Trump posing a greater risk.

In addition, as a Christian, my faith leads me to vote that way. It's a fairly easy decision for our family.
Now I know you are trolling! Greatest Risk to our Country:
Record illegal immigration and increasing daily
Record inflation (As a direct result of passing his only achievement in office in 3+ years..."the inflation reduction act" by pumping an additional $740 Billion into an overstressed economy)
Afghanistan withdrawal and subsequent funding of Iran which led to directly to the funding of Hamas's attack of Israel
Push to use OSHA to force vaccination on every American citizen
Weaponization of the DOJ (the #3 in his cabinet litigated the case against his opponent in a sham trial in NY)
Foreign meddling and family corruption in laundering money from Ukraine, Russia, China...etc, (For decades)
Not to mention POTUS's inability to stay coherent for > a 10 minute stretch without being swept away by enablers.
The #2 being even more incompetent, to the point that she has 0 known responsibilities. Remember when she was assigned as the border czar...for about 15 minutes? What does she do now?
Just a few that immediately come to mind

This current Administration is the greatest threat we have. Bigger than the Chinese gov, Iran and Russia combined. Joe Biden isn't even sentient at this moment so I don't blame him. He has always been feckless and power hungry but no one believes that he is actively pulling levers any longer. He is being used by nefarious actors because the ignorant, media influenced dopes can rally behind the idea of a good ole' Uncle Joe, while destroying any fiber of a "Christian Nation" we have left.

Again, I am saddened that Trump is what we have to rally behind as conservatives. We should have better to choose from but as a Christian, he is the most sensible choice. For me, Trumps biggest endorsement is from those who actively promote the destruction of our nation and their shared open hatred for Trump. i.e. Ilhan Omar, George Soros, Hollywood lappies, etc.

We all have the obvious in front of us. We did have 4 years of Trump that benefited the majority of Americans, pre-Covid. No new wars, Stood for pro-life, supported conservative judges, secured our border, a rolling economy, supported law enforcement all the while fighting of senseless slander at the cost of personal wealth. He didn't go after his enemy's in court (even after the "lock her up" chants). IMO- He should have because of what we know now, the D's cooked up the whole Russian interference under the direction of Obama and Clinton. Then you can contrast that with Biden's time in office. I don't see how anyone who seeks objectivity would even struggle with the decision.
:clapping

I feel it's obvious, but Biden supporters (or Anti-Trumpers) don't seem to be very rational. They tend to believe what the media's dishing out today... To anyone who can just look and compare what happened during their presidencies - Trump should win 90% - 2% over Biden - with 8% voting for The Rock in a write-in vote.
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By Yacht Rock
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My opinion isn’t based on the media. I don’t really follow MSM. Just based on Trump’s actions and the words out of his mouth. I don’t see much of anything about him that aligns with my faith or something that in good conscience I could support. Again, that’s just how we see it.
By Yacht Rock
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And not trolling, just sharing in this echo chamber that there are a lot of folks who are Christians that Trump (and the overall direction of the party) has pushed away. That’s why Biden won in 2020 and likely what will happen this year. If you don’t want that, for all that is good, stop propping him up.
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By jmclaughlin
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Yacht Rock wrote: June 11th, 2024, 2:33 pm My opinion isn’t based on the media. I don’t really follow MSM. Just based on Trump’s actions and the words out of his mouth. I don’t see much of anything about him that aligns with my faith or something that in good conscience I could support. Again, that’s just how we see it.
I get the trump part...but Joe Biden is your choice, how??
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By prototype
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Which is a vote for Biden. No vote or 3rd party is a vote for Biden. IMO
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By aredd33
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ATrain wrote: June 11th, 2024, 4:16 pm 99.9% sure I'm voting for Chase Oliver
I’ve always voted libertarian. My grasp on the English language isn’t to the point I can adequately put into words my hatred of the federal government and all that it is…but I’m not voting for him.
By ATrain
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prototype wrote: June 11th, 2024, 4:31 pm Which is a vote for Biden. No vote or 3rd party is a vote for Biden. IMO
Your opinion is given appropriate weight.
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By Purple Haize
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prototype wrote: June 11th, 2024, 1:15 pm
Yacht Rock wrote: June 11th, 2024, 12:57 pm It comes down to which one I think poses a greater risk to our country. Since I don't have to guess (have lived through years of Trump and years of Biden), I go with Trump posing a greater risk.

In addition, as a Christian, my faith leads me to vote that way. It's a fairly easy decision for our family.
Good for you. You're making a decision for yourself and that's your choice....

I'm not a big fan of Trump, but I'm a big fan of the policies he supports... I lived through both also, as a leader of a family and a business, and I can say without a doubt - Biden has been much worse on both fronts. And you mention Christian - not sure how any Christian would vote for a party that supports Abortion 100% - Taking a life out of convenience is a "no-vote" for me - as for my 3 other voters in my house - it's their choice to make - not mine. But, I'm pretty sure they vote the same way.
This is why I take religion out of the equation when making political decisions. The only consideration I give it is if one side will leave me be to practice my faith or will they try ramming something down my throat? That goes for both sides of the aisle. As it stands right now, I can answer that question very easily. I know neither of our candidates are Godlt men so my best hope is they leave me alone.
Side note, the strongest man of faith we had in office was also one of the worst Presidents we’ve ever had.
By JK37
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Yacht Rock wrote: June 11th, 2024, 2:33 pm My opinion isn’t based on the media. I don’t really follow MSM. Just based on Trump’s actions and the words out of his mouth. I don’t see much of anything about him that aligns with my faith or something that in good conscience I could support. Again, that’s just how we see it.
YR, I can appreciate this. There isn’t much about either Trump or Biden that aligns with my faith. And my conscience struggles to support either one.

So I would ask, can you elaborate for me? I ask in two ways:
1. What specific actions/words of Trump pushed you away? And,
2. What specific actions/words of Biden draw you in?

I am genuinely asking. I think both options stink, and most days I can’t believe this is where we are with this. I also believe a vote for a non-viable third party candidate is pointless and ignorant of our current system.

So I feel very stuck, honestly.

Our system is the worst. Except for all the others.
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By Yacht Rock
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It's tough to put into a snip that won't change anyone's minds.

For Trump, I've directly seen the negative impact his behavior has had on immigrants and/or people who just look/or sound different than him. He has mocked people who have disabilities, who speak different languages, and veterans. This basic lack of decency and human respect has trickled down directly to my family. We've seen it firsthand. As a husband, he's cheated on his wife (probably multiple wives). In the most recent example, he cheated on his wife with a porn star and attempted to cover it up with a fraudulent payout. He was found guilty by a jury of his peers of a felony. He has stated he doesn't ask for forgiveness. So here, you have someone who cheats, lies, insults, and yet doesn't ever find himself in a place to ask for forgiveness. I don't mind if he's not a Christian (he's clearly not), but even as a basic human trait, we should all seek forgiveness when we do some pretty terrible things.

Biden on the other hand, seems to be a faithful husband and a decent father. Instead of insulting veterans, he rose one of his children in a manner that led them to join the military. He demonstrates much more humility (which is hard at that level) than Trump ever does.

One of the first and foremost requirements for me is to vote for people of character. I firmly believe that Biden has a stronger character than Trump, based on both of their direct words and actions. Not media sound bites or anything. This is just based on their behavior.

I'm not even getting onto policy, but I feel that Trump and the current leaning of the right doesn't respect education. I believe education is a foundation of a strong republic and I believe it's at risk. There are a lot of reasons behind this, and many of them are the fault of the education system itself, but the right has picked the wrong target for their ire. Library books aren't the issue with education.

Our family is strictly pro-life. However I don't believe the current right leaning movement is. They are anti-abortion, but not pro-life. I believe pro-life is pro-healthcare, pro-maternity and paternity leave, pro-education from pre-k to post-secondary and pro-contraception so that folks have a lesser chance of facing an unexpected pregnancy and feel like abortion is the answer.

I don't expect many on here to agree, but you asked, and I wanted to provide an answer.
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