[jbock13]

Churchill was wrong about me... I'm young and not a liberal

[Purple Haize]

As for the death penalty, I flashed back to Ron Whites statement about the death penalty. "some states are trying to get rid of the death penalty. My state is putting in an express lane! "

[thepostman]

Churchill was wrong about me... I'm young and not a liberal

young and emotional...It has zero to do with whether you are liberal or conservative.

[jmdickens]

Can't disagree more. I wanna just for joy when people die for raping and killing women, gangbanging around our streets, murdering innocent people, etc. Our country was much better off when we had firing squads who were ready to execute justice (after a fair trial). Now, some of these scumbags live for 20 years on death row. In Texas, there are real consequences for your actions.

God bless Texas.

Dude, you are at the point in your life where you are too "into" politics and your ideology to be thinking clearly. I'm assuming that since you attend Liberty you are a Christian. I know it's not a certainty but that's what I'm going to do. How on earth do you jump for joy when anybody is put to death? They deserve it, but the fact is that almost all of them are now in a very real hell and you're jumping for joy because they did things that YOU are fully capable of doing. I have soured on politics over the last few years, and have started becoming less and less of a patriot over the last few months, reevaluating my politics. I just find this entire quote lacking in an eternal perspective and saturated in a republibot mentality.

I wish some have you would have heard the things that were expressed in one LU class about this issue....It was not about whether the death penalty is Biblical or whether forgiveness should be considered. The ultimate issue became, how can we kill them....The more brutal, the better. Oh and it was over rape cases, not even murder. My face was literally

[LibertyJoe]

So did any of the Ron Paul supporters jump ship after last ight. How can you be for a guy that say we our apart of 9/11?

[Purple Haize]

But loved his Personal responsibility stance on health care. Wish he would have gone into more about the good ole days when he practiced medicine. It would be very eye opening for some. People are more compassionate then governments.
But I'm still not a fan of his foreign policy stance. And am actually souring on his 'gold standard' stance.

[jbock13]

I thought it was very disrespectful to boo Ron Paul. I absolutely loved his explanation on the origins of 9-11.

...and then when he went on to say that the southern border was being built to keep us all in, at that point he made me give a huge eyeroll...

[thepostman]

So did any of the Ron Paul supporters jump ship after last ight. How can you be for a guy that say we our apart of 9/11?

thats what you got out of it?

[LibertyJoe]

But the bad thing is he got booed atleast twice at a tea party debate

[jbock13]

It's a Tea Party debate. I mean, of course the Tea Partiers are gonna boo when a candidate says we shouldn't kill all muslims.

[thepostman]

because the tea party has lost its way already...Ron Paul was the tea party before there was a tea party. Now all these candidates are pandering. Say what you want about Ron Paul but at least he doesn't pander

[LibertyJoe]

What did you all think of Rick Perry's immigration law

[jmdickens]

What did you all think of Rick Perry's immigration law

He is missing the point of the immigration issue...Ron Paul has it right. The drug war is part of the problem with the border. Ask Sly, but living in TX, you see a greater number of immigrants than most other places. It is the drugs, not the people. Legalize pot and I bet there will be a drop in the violence surrounding the border. If that doesnt suit you, how about sending OUR troops to defend our border instead of maintaining another countries artificial border.

[SuperJon]

Dude, you are at the point in your life where you are too "into" politics and your ideology to be thinking clearly. I'm assuming that since you attend Liberty you are a Christian. I know it's not a certainty but that's what I'm going to do. How on earth do you jump for joy when anybody is put to death? They deserve it, but the fact is that almost all of them are now in a very real hell and you're jumping for joy because they did things that YOU are fully capable of doing. I have soured on politics over the last few years, and have started becoming less and less of a patriot over the last few months, reevaluating my politics. I just find this entire quote lacking in an eternal perspective and saturated in a republibot mentality.

This is one of the best things ever posted on FlameFans.

Ever.

[ToTheLeft]

I just dislike the title of this thread, because it defines politics.

Not "who is the best candidate for president"

but "which R can beat Obama".

Such a backwards way of looking at things, but it's what politics has become.

[PAmedic]

Unfortunately, our government has applied the death penalty quite unfairly and spuriously. The state can't be trusted with that responsibility at this point IMO.

really. only a BIT specious (now quick google the ACLU website and give us the re-gurgitated list of inncocents)

I bet you're one of those guys that hides in the bushes video-ing my traffic stops too

because you know your rights

down with the state man!

Up with Che Guevara

I can't wait til you guys turn 40

[WinthropEagleFan]

I just dislike the title of this thread, because it defines politics.

Not "who is the best candidate for president"

but "which R can beat Obama".

Such a backwards way of looking at things, but it's what politics has become.

This is my biggest problem with politics...it isn't about finding the right person for the job, it's about 'my side' winning and 'your side' losing.

To begin with, there are way too many different types of issues and too many shades of gray to have everything compartmentalized into only two sides to begin with. It 'forces' everyone to pick a side, and either to change your personal views on several issues in order to conform, or to just accept that you won't agree with everything 'your party' stands for.

But my bigger problem is that neither side has any reasonable solutions...it has come down to having to demonize the other side, say they are doing things wrong, and ride that into the sunset.

[LUconn]

Let me just ask you this. If somebody close to you were killed not by a shotgun, but by far more brutal force, you'd feel the same way. I'll leave it at that.

Also, in my opinion it has more to do with common law than my ideology.

Being joyful over someone's death has nothing to do with common law. And fortunately I have not had to be in the situation you described so I can't say how I would feel at that time. But that's an advantage of my position. Emotion is taken out of the situation and I don't have to stoop to a level (being joyful about this) that I know would be shameful. I just really don't see how you can justify being happy that people are going to hell. A place that you, Jbock McBockington, deserve to be in every bit as much as they do.

[LUconn]

In fact, I've been thinking about politics so much lately my opinion is truly up in the air. I want somebody here to convince me from a biblical perspective why I should care who is president, what they do, and what happens to this country. My opinion can honestly be swayed at this point, unlike a lot of people who talk politics on messageboards.

Here's what I have so far:

1. It is important for people to have the freedom to choose to worship God (extremely important but technically not essential. See: Daniel.)
2. The ability to vote has been given to us, so we should be good stewards with how we choose to vote

What else am I missing

[jbock13]

The reason I didn't reply was simply that I didn't word that the way I should have. That I didn't literally mean I jump for joy. So in seeing that 16 people have pounced on me, I didn't think it was quite worth explaining what I meant.

It's whatever...

[LUconn]

Why are "the government can't do anything right" conservatives for the government executing people anyway?

[jbock13]

Why are "the government can't do anything right" conservatives for the government executing people anyway?

This could be the best example of a monolithic argument I've seen in a long time.

[LUconn]

Just a thought.

[RubberMallet]

byd shares my thoughts on capital punishment.

my decision on president this year is purly economic and healthcare based i believe. if you don't have anything to offer me there, then no dice. abortion isn't getting overturned, gay marriage will inevitably be widespread so those topics are really low on the totem pole.

[Purple Haize]

Why are "the government can't do anything right" conservatives for the government executing people anyway?

Those people would be loosely called Anarchists. A more accurate view of conservatism is that 'limited government' is preferable. They feel there are a FEW things government can do well. The debate comes over the interpretation of the words LIMITED and FEW. Punishing criminals is a role of government, otherwise you would just have groups of vigilantes in the street. Sure there are private entities that run some prisons, but they are regulated by the state/local/federal guidelines for prison management. Therefore your argument is not valid.
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