[ballcoach15]

No, I don't take things out of context to say a woman cannot be a pastor.

The Bible says a woman cannot be a pastor

[Purple Haize]

No, I don't take things out of context to say a woman cannot be a pastor.

The Bible says a woman cannot be a pastor

Are you not going to answer my question? Waiting for someone else to do it for you?
Also, please show me where it says women cannot be Pastors. Further please refine your definition of Pastor. Does that mean just Preaching or running a church? Does that also include teaching Sunday School and or Bible ? Please source your answer with scripture

[Jonathan Carone]

I get going after ball coach because he’s ball coach, but his thinking is in line with the majority of the Liberty community and with what Liberty has traditionally taught. I don’t know if they’ve changed in recent years, but as of a couple years ago it was the standard teaching.

[Purple Haize]

1 Corinthians 14:34-35;

How do you reconcile that with 1 Corinthians 11:5 or vs 27-31 of the same Chapter?

So taking the Scripture as it is, without assuming/applying context, era, or translation....it only applies to married women?

I’m asking ballcoach for his read on it

[Purple Haize]

I get going after ball coach because he’s ball coach, but his thinking is in line with the majority of the Liberty community.

And? They are not the ones on here, he is. Plus, I think you are assuming a great deal. He doesn’t even know what he believes. You are just projecting your assumptions on his statements

[thepostman]

I get going after ball coach because he’s ball coach, but his thinking is in line with the majority of the Liberty community and with what Liberty has traditionally taught. I don’t know if they’ve changed in recent years, but as of a couple years ago it was the standard teaching.

I'd say the majority believe that women can't be lead Pastors but as far as women preaching in churches? That was closer to 50/50 during my time at Liberty.

As far as ballcoach goes, he posts a lot on here and doesn't back anything up. Women preaching in churches isn't doctrine to lose any sleep over, but if you're going to believe something you should be able to articulate why you believe that and source yourself. Especially with theology. So I will continue to ask him to do so.

[ATrain]

I get going after ball coach because he’s ball coach, but his thinking is in line with the majority of the Liberty community.

And? They are not the ones on here, he is. Plus, I think you are assuming a great deal. He doesn’t even know what he believes. You are just projecting your assumptions on his statements

We all had our groups of friends at LU, and we all had our acquaintances, overheard conversations, etc. SJ's statements are rooted in his experience, and indeed the majority of the LU community (I'm assuming this is defined as students, alumni, faculty, etc...) may well believe like Ballcoach that women shouldn't be pastors. It was also the belief of Jerry Sr. and it was taught at LCA.

However, based on my experience and what I've seen, perhaps the majority of students and younger alumni don't understand that verse the ballcoach (incorrectly) understands it. Indeed, I'm not sure the majority on this board agrees with Ballcoach's take.

[Jonathan Carone]

I was speaking purely on what was taught in classes. I was “challenged” quite a bit in seminary when I argued for women being equal to men in ministry.

[thepostman]

The key thing is the audience in which that letter was written to and the fact that the "law" was mentioned. We do not fall under the law so it's under that context you must read that passage @ballcoach15

Just my 2 cents. Context is king.

[thepostman]

I was speaking purely on what was taught in classes. I was “challenged” quite a bit in seminary when I argued for women being equal to men in ministry.

Ahh yeah. Well being equals would mean agreeing that women can be lead pastors which was clearly the stance of the school during our time there.

[ballcoach15]

According to my Bible, women cannot be Pastors.
How can a woman be a Pastor, if they must remain silent in the church ? A silent pastor is of no help to the flock.

A church with a woman pastor is not a bible preaching church.

[Jonathan Carone]

Do you eat bacon?

[thepostman]

According to my Bible, women cannot be Pastors.
How can a woman be a Pastor, if they must remain silent in the church ? A silent pastor is of no help to the flock.

A church with a woman pastor is not a bible preaching church.

Your Bible doesn't say that. I tried to explain the context of that passage to you but you avoided that discussion.

Again. Taken at face value and out of context, women should remain completely silent which means when I step into your church I shouldn't hear any women talking. Since I use to go to TRBC, I know that is far from the case. In fact women sing on the worship team! That isn't staying very silent!

[ATrain]

According to my Bible, women cannot be Pastors.
How can a woman be a Pastor, if they must remain silent in the church ? A silent pastor is of no help to the flock.

A church with a woman pastor is not a bible preaching church.

Hope all your clothes are of a single fabric, per Leviticus 19:19 and Deuteronomy 22:11

[thepostman]

Thank God for His Son and not being under the law anymore. That is the theology that matters most.

[ballcoach15]

1 Timothy 2:12

[ATrain]

1 Timothy 2:12

Galatians 3:28 and Ephesians 5:21

[thepostman]

More scripture about women being silent. You better change churches because those women on stage are certianly not remaining silent @ballcoach15 .

Cherry picking scripture can be done all day long as both you and @ATrain just proved. It doesn't mean your point is anymore valid.

[ATrain]

More scripture about women being silent. You better change churches because those women on stage are certianly not remaining silent @ballcoach15 .

Cherry picking scripture can be done all day long as both you and @ATrain just proved. It doesn't mean your point is anymore valid.

Which is the only point I was trying to prove. Glad to know I succeeded!

[rtb72]

How do you reconcile that with 1 Corinthians 11:5 or vs 27-31 of the same Chapter?

So taking the Scripture as it is, without assuming/applying context, era, or translation....it only applies to married women?

I’m asking ballcoach for his read on it

Sorry, PH...it does appear I am asking you, but my question was for BC. I'd like an answer to your question as well.

[rtb72]

The key thing is the audience in which that letter was written to and the fact that the "law" was mentioned. We do not fall under the law so it's under that context you must read that passage @ballcoach15

Just my 2 cents. Context is king.

Exactly!

[Purple Haize]

According to my Bible, women cannot be Pastors.
How can a woman be a Pastor, if they must remain silent in the church ? A silent pastor is of no help to the flock.

A church with a woman pastor is not a bible preaching church.

I keep asking for your interpretation of Bible verses yet you refuse to give them. How does your stance square with
Rom 16:3
Acts 18:26

[Jonathan Carone]

God help him if he studies who the author of Hebrews might have been.

[adam42381]

God help him if he studies who the author of Hebrews might have been.

[ballcoach15]

There are 31,102 verses in the Bible. We could argue each one, until Christ returns. But none say women can pastor a church