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By jbock13
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could it be I was right?
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By Purple Haize
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jbock13 wrote:could it be I was right?
No. And no one would admit it if you were!
By thepostman
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jbock13 wrote:could it be I was right?
Does change the fact you were completely idiotic about it
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By jbock13
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I honestly don't see what was idiotic about it. You've said it yourself, you know I admit when I am wrong, and admittedly I've been a quite a losing streak with the NCAA Tourney lately! But every time we see a story like this the media and the community activists get all wound up, then the facts came out. Sort of like the "USA, USA, USA" chant a few weeks ago. When the truth came out that the hispanic team was calling them "alamo whites", which prompted the USA chant, the story got nipped in the bud because it didn't fit the "racist" narrative.

I know, you probably ask why it must be racial? Well apparently it's the job of some people to ensure that racial hatred is inflamed, lest they must file for unemployment. I realize the harshness of what I said, but nonetheless it seems to be true up to this point.

What I am calling out is the double standard in the media.
By thepostman
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jbock13 wrote:white man shoots black guy = race riot, media upset
any other race shoots any other race = nobody seems to care

I'm still waiting on the media to tell me what the kid was doing there in the first place.
Since I guess you can't remember what you said.

The man wasn't white, he was Hispanic.

Also I guess you haven't seen the media go crazy about missing white kids

and finally it took 2 seconds to find out the kid was staying with his dad who lives in the community.

This is why I think your post was idiotic.

I think its awful people are talking about the kids race so much too, but that isn't the reason I found your post so idiotic. It was because it was full of inaccuracies and showed so much ignorance.
By 4everfsu
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Were do the liberals come up with idiots like her?
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By jbock13
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4everfsu wrote:Were do the liberals come up with idiots like her?
you answered your own question :lol: Liberals are idiots.

I know that I've an evil and hateful person, but as I said, wait for the facts. You'll find them in the court room and from law enforcement, and not from the (alphabet soup) Evening News. Often things are never as they're portrayed to be.
By thepostman
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It really upsets me that this story has become a race story. Its disgraceful and doesn't do anybody any good.

There is no way the whole story ever will be known. I don't think I gun ever should have entered the equation and I also don't think this neighborhood watch guy should have followed this kid after being told not to. I also don't think the kid should have resorted to violence simply because this guy was following him/questioning him about being in his neighborhood. Nothing normal or rational was done in this case on either side. Nobody wins

Its not a liberal/conservative, white/black issue. The man was Hispanic so how that ever became the battle cry is among me. Every article I read says white neighborhood simply because it makes for a juicier story.

You have people like al sharpton making this a race issue because its what makes him money and then on the other side there are people excited to hear it wasn't the Hispanic guy that was the aggressor but the black guy. Proving once again we must fear the black man. Both sides disgust me.
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By jbock13
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thepostman wrote:
Its not a liberal/conservative, white/black issue. The man was Hispanic so how that ever became the battle cry is among me. Every article I read says white neighborhood simply because it makes for a juicier story.
Don't tell that to Fox News, who has now found a new racial group, "white hispanics". No joke, I've heard it used several times. It becomes a racial issue when people are defending people based solely on race. Chris Rock has a comedy bit on the OJ Simpson trial when some blacks celebrated when OJ was aquitted. Chris Rock famously said, "what the !@#$ are you out there cheering for?" Who cares if he's the same skin color as you, he's guilty! Although the majority of blacks do not think this way, the ones who have access to media do. And thus, they know they can drive up ratings by presenting this narrative.
thepostman wrote:


You have people like al sharpton making this a race issue because its what makes him money and then on the other side there are people excited to hear it wasn't the Hispanic guy that was the aggressor but the black guy. Proving once again we must fear the black man. Both sides disgust me.
Nobody is excited that the black guy was the aggressor. They're just amused at the media because they manipulated the facts to get their "white guy shoots black guy" narrative, and even though the guy was hispanic, he was a "white hispanic" as Fox news seems to indicate, which still gives them the narrative they desired.

Secondly, liberals do not view humanity like we do. Libertarians and conservatives view humans as human beings. Liberals view humanity through groups and divisions. This is why it has been transformed into a racial issue.

It's sad. Cause all this circus and still a young man is dead. We may never know why, I hope to know why, and I take no joy out of the situation. All I say is to ignore the media, and wait for the facts from law enforcement.

Young black men die everyday because of gang violence. And nobody cares, it's just a passing bit in the news. Often children are left fatherless. Blacks are also far more likely to be victims of crimes by other blacks. What does it say about the media that they are never concerned about these sorts of situations? It's truly heartbreaking to me. But yet instead of the thousands who die each year, they care about one instance where a {white-looking] guy shoots a black guy. Sick. Absolutely sick.

Turns out Louis Farrakhan is selling t-shirts in Florida. Think he's going to give any of the proceeds to the Martin family? I'm sick of seeing this, and I'm gonna call it out. Because I care. Because guess who gets hurt the most out of these? Young black kids.

*sorry postman, I went on a bit of a rant, I didn't direct all of that at you. Besides I'm sure you already understand how I feel.
By Humble_Opinion
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Lots of rumors that the kid was suspended from school for 10 days for possession of marijuana or something. Apparently, one of his friends posted on his facebook asking for "plant" too.

The thing I love the most is how the media is using a photo of George Zimmerman from years ago that shows him in a jumpsuit and makes him look devious, while showing a photo of Trayvon from years ago when he was a innocent looking little kid... As much as I hate to quote Hannity - journalism is dead. All they do is take situations like this and turn them into race hate fests to benefit themselves and their causes. It's getting overwhelming.
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By BJWilliams
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As a black person, stories like this make me cringe because you have people that are actually making meaningful contributions to society, didnt allow their tough background to turn them into "thugs" and actually had parents who wanted them to make something of themselves and made sure they had the means to do so, no matter the sacrifice. My late grandmother and grandfather did all they could and made sure my dad got to go to a wonderful school, he graduated, got a full ride to Harvard and has been a doctor now for over 30 (almost 40 I think) years. One of his sisters was a practicing defense attorney in the Boston area before she passed away my senior year of high school from diabetes complications. To see things like this genuinely upset me.
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By jbock13
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Amen Beej. Great story. America is the only country in the world where all people of all races can truly achieve their dreams.
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By Purple Haize
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Ed. Gomes. Ask him to tell you his story sometime.
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By BJWilliams
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My dad grew up in Chicago (which in the 1950s and 60s was its own breed pretty much) so he could tell you stories of just how tough where he lived was (Morgan Street I think...he drove us by his old house when we visited a couple years ago)
By ALUmnus
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Humble_Opinion wrote:The thing I love the most is how the media is using a photo of George Zimmerman from years ago that shows him in a jumpsuit and makes him look devious, while showing a photo of Trayvon from years ago when he was a innocent looking little kid...
I'm still waiting for the baby pictures to accompany each story. This whole thing has been pretty pathetic.

Something that occurred to me, though. Is it just me, or does crime seem to be increasing the way it did in the 80's when that's all you heard about on the news. It would make sense, the way the economy is sinking, but I didn't know if it's just a perception thing or it's really happening.
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By jbock13
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Actually crime has dropped since the 1990's quite dramatically. Here's the stats.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

It's just human psychology. We never think about burglary until it happens to us. We never think about crime until it happens on our streets. Sort of when Reagan said "It's a recession when your neighbor loses his job, it's a depression when you lose your own." It's just a matter of perspective.
By ALUmnus
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Okay, so it's just perception, I guess from what's reported in the news, or maybe just having access to more national news and making it local. It does seem weird that crime has dropped even though marijuana is still illegal, though. Very contradictory, there.

I kid, I KID!
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By bballfan84
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jbock13 wrote:white man shoots black guy = race riot, media upset
any other race shoots any other race = nobody seems to care

I'm still waiting on the media to tell me what the kid was doing there in the first place.
It sounds like the discussion regarding Jbocks first post is already over...but just wanted to submit my input. He hit it right on the head with his statement. The fact that this guy is called White Hispanic only proves his point even more. I had never even heard of that term before??? As a white male I am pretty fed up with the double standard with the media and frankly with a lot of people in America. It always seems to get magnified when a white person kills a non white. Yes this is a tragic story and after hearing more of the details it doesnt seem like Trayvon was as innocent as he was slated to be. I dont see the media hopping on stories about the Black Panthers putting out a $10,000 bounty for this guys head. Or this other story (not Liberty University friendly).

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/tra ... irt-759832

Where is the media outcry on this story.http://gossiponthis.com/2012/03/05/13-y ... ed-attack/(Im not familiar with posting links so if they dont work i apologize.

All said and done it just irks me that as soon as a black kid gets shot they always try to turn it into a race issue or twist that this guy was a WHITE HISPANIC to stir things up and get their political agendas across. Was Zimmerman acting in defense i think so..was deadly force needed I dont know. If you read Trayvons twitter feed it doesnt look like he is the angel that the media has potrayed. The main issue is not race here and I am getting off topic but its a culture thing. By that I mean the gangster culture where its cool to sell drugs, be involved in gangs, promote violence and sexual promiscuity. This is not a race issue as it is prevalent in young whites, hispanics, asians, and blacks. I dont care what race it is if there is someone in my neighborhood looking like a thug and i dont recognize him I am going to be suspicious of him. The problem is that the thug culture is glamorized by hip hop stars and movies. Instances like this story is the real result of that mentality.
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By jbock13
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For what it's worth I stand by my point, because I was right. I know how the media and the liberals operate.

I understand how crass it sounded, but if we want to take the nation back, we had better start getting used to it.

Martin's mother has trademarked his name. Does it sound like to you that she's grieving this loss? And trying to get paid? This is the kind of foolishness and bullcaca that I will call out, no matter if it's taboo or not.

And good post bball84.
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By jbock13
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ABC News is a class above all investigative reporting. We're really gonna get to the bottom of this case!!!!! Oh I mean, not how Trayvon died, but we're gonna find out who these witnesses are that keep destroying our narrative!!!

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin ... 3XWVhw2H5l

"an eyewitness, 13-year-old Austin Brown, told police he saw a man fitting Zimmerman's description lying on the grass moaning and crying for help just seconds before he heard the gunshot that killed Martin."

hmmm... why would they leak the name of the witness? Notice in the story, and I'm sure it's just a coincidence, for some reason they won't leak the name of Trevon's girlfriend. hmmm....
By Blessed1
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jbock13 wrote: Martin's mother has trademarked his name. Does it sound like to you that she's grieving this loss? And trying to get paid? This is the kind of foolishness and bullcaca that I will call out, no matter if it's taboo or not.

And good post bball84.
Who's to say that she trademarked his name to make sure that the family has control over what is being printed on t-shirts, bumper stickers, etc? That doesn't mean she's not grieving! It means that they can control their son's name, not bandwagon/run-of-the-mill "business people."
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By jbock13
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Blessed1 wrote:
jbock13 wrote: Martin's mother has trademarked his name. Does it sound like to you that she's grieving this loss? And trying to get paid? This is the kind of foolishness and bullcaca that I will call out, no matter if it's taboo or not.

And good post bball84.
Who's to say that she trademarked his name to make sure that the family has control over what is being printed on t-shirts, bumper stickers, etc? That doesn't mean she's not grieving! It means that they can control their son's name, not bandwagon/run-of-the-mill "business people."
Cmon now. That's quite a stretch. They know full well that people are using his name, and will continue to regardless of the trade mark. But why not make a little cash on the side? I know his parents have nothing to do with this case, but I'm still calling out what I see as absolutely disgusting. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson profit every time a young black person dies. Is humanity really meant to be this way?

Okay, now the rest of this post is a new general reply for the topic.

A new rap song has been released in rememberence of Trevon. I think this song will promote racial healing and understanding. Here are some of the lyrics.

"All black in my hoodie
All black in my hoodie
Strapped up with them AKs
(@#$%) protesters
Let’s start a riot
Fight, let’s start a riot"

And folks, that's just the beginning. You can view the full lyrics here, (DO NOT IF YOU'RE EASILY OFFENDED) http://www.theblaze.com/stories/lets-st ... -violence/

But here's the line of the song that disturbs me the most.

"Ain’t trying to talk like Dr. King
Like Malcom X I’m runnin"

This case is more than just a young black man dying. What we see here is the decline of black American culture. It's sad. Remember all those motown hits you listened to when you were kid? Songs about men providing for their wives? Coming home after doing so and loving their wives, and never cheating on them? Remember when black families were the most solid families? They always have been, from when they were slaves in America, all the way up to the 1970's. Discrimination held them down, but they knew they had to be better. And they did it. And now it's just falling apart. Illegitimacy is through the roof, men no longer know how to respect women [and that's across racial lines]. Blacks are 7 times more likely to be victims of murder than whites [whites include hispanics in government statistics]. Why is nobody speaking out when a young 6 year old black girl in killed in Chicago by crossfire between two rival gangs? Is nobody allowed to speak out on this, except the race vultures like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the Black Panthers? America has always been the place where people of origins could all reach their dreams, but we're losing that. And it's time, no matter what race we are, to educate the nation to what is going on.

Let me be clear, it is not the blacks fault. But think about it. Young middle black boys are listening to Jay Z, on how to treat women. Where does that lead us to? How many black youth are being gunned down in gang violence everyday. Yet we just except this reality because we're afraid to speak out. Well, I'm not afraid. You can say what you want about Dr. King, but he had the vision to see what the future could be for blacks. I know this is about to be the longest post ever on FF.com, but I love the speech Dr. King gave at a middle school in Philadelphia in 1967. My true hope is that hopefully blacks in America can continue to understand the ideas and values that Dr. King espoused. Here's my favorite part.
I want to ask you a question, and that is: What is your life's blueprint?


Whenever a building is constructed, you usually have an architect who draws a blueprint, and that blueprint serves as the pattern, as the guide, and a building is not well erected without a good, solid blueprint.



Now each of you is in the process of building the structure of your lives, and the question is whether you have a proper, a solid and a sound blueprint.



I want to suggest some of the things that should begin your life's blueprint. Number one in your life's blueprint, should be a deep belief in your own dignity, your worth and your own somebodiness. Don't allow anybody to make you fell that you're nobody. Always feel that you count. Always feel that you have worth, and always feel that your life has ultimate significance.



Secondly, in your life's blueprint you must have as the basic principle the determination to achieve excellence in your various fields of endeavor. You're going to be deciding as the days, as the years unfold what you will do in life — what your life's work will be. Set out to do it well.

And I say to you, my young friends, doors are opening to you--doors of opportunities that were not open to your mothers and your fathers — and the great challenge facing you is to be ready to face these doors as they open.



Ralph Waldo Emerson, the great essayist, said in a lecture in 1871, "If a man can write a better book or preach a better sermon or make a better mousetrap than his neighbor, even if he builds his house in the woods, the world will make a beaten path to his door."



This hasn't always been true — but it will become increasingly true, and so I would urge you to study hard, to burn the midnight oil; I would say to you, don't drop out of school. I understand all the sociological reasons, but I urge you that in spite of your economic plight, in spite of the situation that you're forced to live in — stay in school.



And when you discover what you will be in your life, set out to do it as if God Almighty called you at this particular moment in history to do it. don't just set out to do a good job. Set out to do such a good job that the living, the dead or the unborn couldn't do it any better.



If it falls your lot to be a street sweeper, sweep streets like Michelangelo painted pictures, sweep streets like Beethoven composed music, sweep streets like Leontyne Price sings before the Metropolitan Opera. Sweep streets like Shakespeare wrote poetry. Sweep streets so well that all the hosts of heaven and earth will have to pause and say: Here lived a great street sweeper who swept his job well. If you can't be a pine at the top of the hill, be a shrub in the valley. Be be the best little shrub on the side of the hill.



Be a bush if you can't be a tree. If you can't be a highway, just be a trail. If you can't be a sun, be a star. For it isn't by size that you win or fail. Be the best of whatever you are.

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(credit to: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/specia ... print.html)


Is that what young black men are being taught today?
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By Blessed1
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Let's not get this twisted. This is a matter of race. Bottom line. Trayvon purchased a bag of Skittles and a iced-tea drink. That doesn't sound like something a thug would purchase. He didn't purchase menthol cigarettes, 40 oz. of alcohol, blunt wrappers, and what not. He purchased things a normal teen aged-kid, regardless of skin color, would purchase.

The real question is not what Trayvon was doing, but why was the Zimmerman guy looking for trouble. After all, wasn't he told not to press the issue. He sounded like the aggressor to me.
By thepostman
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I called jbock out on his stupidity and now I am calling you out on your stupidity.

I am sure there are plenty of thugs that eat skittles and iced tea. I'm not calling the kid a thug because I have no way of really knowing that, but the fact he is eating skittles and drinking iced tea doesn't eliminate the possibility.
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