[jbock13]

holy cow this thread turned into a food throwing contest while I was asleep last night. haha.

Yes Gary Johnson is still the race, although he gets no attention. I included all 9 candidates that are still officially in the race.

For the record, prostitution and marijuana should be legal. Just because we don't like it, doesn't make a good reason to ban it. As a Christian, I would never support it morally, but should we just pretend that it doesn't happen just because it's illegal? In fact, it happens more, and makes it much more profitable because it is on the black market.

Secondly cjsweat, in defense of Paul you need to look up the child porn bill Paul voted against. You know why? The Government at anytime could monitor your internet and telephone communications without probably cause. But just like the TSA, the government is just keeping us safe right? The government wouldn't possibly be interested in all those tea party websites you go to right?

So that's why Paul voted against it. At least the man had the balls to stand up to it.

Also I agree with BYD on Israel.

[ALUmnus]

I remember when I still believed that the mainstream Republicans would change something if only they had power. Then years of experience beat me over the head. Ignorance really is bliss.

Ron Paul is the only guy worth voting for because he is the only guy that would actually change anything.

Incidentally, I think when Christians act like the Constitution only protects their rights, and the issues that they support, it does as much damage to their Christian witness as anything. If you want freedom and liberty, you have to acknowledge that liberty also means you protect the rights of those you don't agree with.

If you don't understand or like the 10th Amendment, you don't understand or like the Constitution.

Ron Paul is a Repulican, and has been for how long now? If he doesn't like Republicans, why run as one, both for congress and president? These guys are all inconsistent, hypocrital, shady flip-floppers, some more than others.

And I can't think of a group of people that has protected the rights of others more than Christians, yet let the system be gamed as to diminish our own rights.

[From the class of 09]

For those that say they will vote for Obama if X is the republican candidate, that is just childish. Sometimes life is not about making the 'right' choice. It is about making the 'less bad' choice. I think anyone of the likely candidates, IMO Romney Newt orecen Paul, are immensely better for me and the country then President Obama.

Well IMO the "less bad" choice would be Obama over Newt. Did anyone answer RI eariler?

What is your major complaint with what Obama has done as president?

[Purple Haize]

Wow. That explanation I'd like to hear. You think Newt would do more damage to our country then Obama

[jbock13]

Everyone here knows I'm not a Newt fan, but to vote for Obama over him is completely a asinine decision. With all due respect.

[From the class of 09]

For me it's that Newt has proven his word means nothing. Yes we're all sinners, forgiveness, blah blah blah doesn't mean we forget your a scum bag. No matter how good Newt's ideas may be you can't trust him to but the country's needs before his own.

Obama seems to be a pretty standard politician, obviously leans to the left but actually seems to be more and more reasonable as of late (probably because he found out he couldn't get anything passed otherwise).

Yes you'd think Newt could help solve these economic problems because he has good ideas but you can't trust him to execute. So again that makes any idea pointless.

When given the choice between a average politician and a scum bag politician it's not that hard a decision for me.

Also, what is your major complaint with what Obama has done as president?

[flamesfan30]

someone said something about capital punishment.

im against captial punishment BECAUSE im a christian.

ALL have sinned. ALL deserve death. ALL still have a chance to be saved. we should not kill people when they still have time to accept the gospel. we should never intentionally send someone to hell.

[jbock13]

Also, what is your major complaint with what Obama has done as president?

Haha. You're kidding right?

That and I also think we don't use the death penalty enough.

[From the class of 09]

Also, what is your major complaint with what Obama has done as president?

Haha. You're kidding right?

No Ri asked the question first and I repeated it. What is your biggest beef with him? I'm really curious. I've seen some mistakes for sure but I'm curious as to what people think has been his biggest problem.

[Purple Haize]

The same objections I have now with Obama as I did during the election. I'll sound like a sound bite but:
Both parties spend too much. He allows spending to the extreme
He does not lead, nor does he delegate, he 'allows'. He does not have a plan just grades others plans. Look at the lack of budget, healthcare etc.
He knows what he doesn't want but has no idea what he does want. He is a moving target, or in his words a 'blank canvas'
He bad mouths America and Americans. I prefer my leaders to be optimistic or at least resolute and determined
His view of economics is that the government allows us to keep our money.
He insults our friends and allies and praises and lauds our enemies
His jump shot makes him look like a sissy!

[jbock13]

Let's see.

Disagree with Obama of foreign intervention.
Disagree with Obama on government stimumlus creating jobs.
Disagree with Obama for not lifting the Cuban trade embargo.
Disagree with Obama on government funding for abortion.
Disagree with Obama on gay marriage (should be state issue, not federal, although I'm aware Obama has never directly stated his position)
Disagree with Obama for running up trillions in deficits.
Disagree with Obama that raising taxes is good for economy.
Disagree with Obama for allowing the EPA to shut down energy companies, or stall their work, to jack up our energy prices.
Disagree with Obama for the growth of government regulation.
Disagree with Obama for letting the sun come up this morning.

Okay, the latter was a joke, but you get the point. I know, "But the Republican did..." Yeah. Bush was wrong. Realize not all Republicans are Democrat-lights. They're few and far between, but we have much more conservative candidates running for President then we did back in 08. That's a good thing.

That and, I never thought I'd say it but I sound just like a Ron Paul guy I admit I was blinded by the Hannity's of the world that the United States should be in every country exerting its influence. I was wrong. And if you're a Republican who likes the war on terror, you should at least be happy with the job Obama's done.

[LUminary]

Wow, nobody's touching Herman Cain. Oops, bad choice of words.

[jbock13]

Two things I would love to know from folks on here. Promise I will not argue with you.

1. If you supported Cain, who do you now support?
2. If you voted for Mitt, what are your reasons for it?

Once again, if you desire to answer I promise not to attack you. Just want to know your mind.

[Purple Haize]

Mitt is one of my 2 choices.
I like him because of his s uccess both in government and in the private sector. I think he learned his lesson in dealing with a Democratic legislature with Romney Care. It was their add ins that screwed it up so bad. Being able to turn around the Salt Lake Games is more impressive then people give credit for. Americans are not big on the Winter Olympics. And it was in Utah.
I like his optimism. You need that in a leader especially in tough times like these. Calling Americans fat lazy and stupid is not a way to engender a population
There are going to have to be some tough choices made. He has made them all his life. Unlike our current President.
I don't think his flips are that big a deal. He changed his positions to ones I pretty much agree with.
He looks Presidential.
I like candidates who don't NEED to be President. Think Al Gore
He appears to be a moral man

Have you seen the hair?
I am concerned about his seeming desire to get along and have people like him. This is where I see the Tea Party playing a huge roll in holding his feet to the fire.
He doesn't have any earth shattering ideas. His ideas are sound and solid but not earth shaking. But on the other hand I don't know If I want an ideologue flame thrower as President either.

[Sly Fox]

You do realize the Salt lake Games are considered to be one of the most corrupt enterprises in recent American history. And what he did with daddy's money is to be commended.

[Purple Haize]

You do realize the Salt lake Games are considered to be one of the most corrupt enterprises in recent American history. And what he did with daddy's money is to be commended.

The last part was a pretty cheap shot. Just because you inherit money does not mean you are successful. Far more trust fund babies go broke then succeed.
As for the Salt Lake games, they may have been corrupt but they were successful. Not sure if Mitt was implicated in any corruption.

[jbock13]

Calling Americans fat lazy and stupid is not a way to engender a population

I honestly agree with Obama in this. But I get your points.

[Purple Haize]

Calling Americans fat lazy and stupid is not a way to engender a population

I honestly agree with Obama in this. But I get your points.

And that's my point. When Obama says that, it comes across as very condescending. If Newt or Mitt were to make the same point they would leave you feeling like 'Yeah, you're right let's get this thing fixed". With Obama, it doesn't have that same affect

[jbock13]

I know you're right about how it would be perceived. I'm just saying that Obama is right on that statement. The only problem is that Obama supports policies that keep Americans lazy, like increasing unemployment insurance to absurd amounts of weeks, and social welfare.

[alabama24]

For the record, prostitution and marijuana should be legal. Just because we don't like it, doesn't make a good reason to ban it. As a Christian, I would never support it morally, but should we just pretend that it doesn't happen just because it's illegal? In fact, it happens more, and makes it much more profitable because it is on the black market.

For the record, [Abortion, Murder, Child Pornography, Incest, Plural Marriages, Slavery] prostitution and marijuana should be legal. Just because we don't like it, doesn't make a good reason to ban it. As a Christian, I would never support it morally, but should we just pretend that it doesn't happen just because it's illegal? In fact, it happens more, and makes it much more profitable because it is on the black market.

Sounds pretty stupid to me, Jbock.

[jbock13]

I can agree to disagree with you Alabama, until you decided to lose credibility by somehow believing I support slavery. We'll just let that assertion stand because I know you don't really believe that. My friend, couldn't you just say you disagree with me instead of insisting that somehow I approve those things you mentioned? It totally trashes your argument.

Take for example prostitution. It's been going on ever sine the world began, so do you really think the police issuing a $100 citation when one is rarely caught will truly deter it ? I don't like it, but it's just a fact of life.

Also think of it this way. I have never drank alcohol because I believe it causes destruction to families and alters the mind to do stupid things. Plenty on here would disagree with me. So should I fight to ban alcohol just because I don't like it? Of course not.

[RubberMallet]

Once again, if you desire to answer I promise not to attack you.

you will however whine that you yourself are being attacked.

[RubberMallet]

You do realize the Salt lake Games are considered to be one of the most corrupt enterprises in recent American history. And what he did with daddy's money is to be commended.

the guy is a huge corporate shill. he's going to make his buddies so much cash if he's president. he's like a robot politician who does what every cookie cutter politician does and people see that as "oh he looks presidential" and the nitwits that make up the majority of this company are like duurrr vote drrrrr.

[Purple Haize]

As long as you maintain the status quo, and look Presidential, that's all I care about.

Heck no! That would give us a Huntsman/Romney ticket!
Looking Presidential has always been a part of the office. Especially since the advent of TV and film. I'm sure CIDER is old enough to remember FDR's reign. The White House did its best and the newsies helped to not have him photographed in a wheel chair. Looking the part, in any profession, is a key element . Would you have a lot of confidence in your surgeon if he showed up in cut off jeans and a Metallica shirt?
Your 'status quo' comment is very valid. The question I have is which status?I think Romney can change the direction we are heading, but my concern is if he can change it enough. I think Newt has the ideas for radical change, but I'm not sure if he can get it done. Ron Paul definitely is radical but the same thing applies to him as Newt. Although Newt has more legislative leadership experience then Ron Paul.
I have learned, especially after being married all these years, there are things I want done and things that can be done. 'settling' for what can be done is not necessarily a bad thing

[Liberty4Life]

I can't believe the support for Newt.

Here's a question:
I assume you are all Christians.
What is the most important issue to you?
Is it the rights of the unborn? Because Newt doesn't believe life begins at conception. He supports federally-funded embryonic stem cell research.

Is it sanctity of marriage? Because Newt's on wife #3 (this is the one he was shagging while leading the charge against Clinton)

Are you repulsed by the corruption in Congress? Because he is the only speaker of the house to have been sanctioned by the ethics committee.

Is it because you want an unabashed conservative? Because this is a guy who sat next to Nancy Pelosi in a global warming ad for Al Gore, and who blasted Paul Ryan's budget plan.

Do you want someone who is compassionate to the poor? Someone of faith who did not rediscover it conveniently around the time when they decided to run for President?

Or is it that you don't want anyone with a (D) by their name in the Oval Office?