[flamesbball84]

i'd certainly be more in favor in letting each state decide hc issues within that state than on a federal level. thats how they do it in canada. the fed backs the system but it is a provincial run plan. if anything was to be done from gvt standpoint i'd much rather have the state do it than the fed.

that being said, this still does nothing to lower the cost of hc in america.

Yep it will raise costs without a doubt. Sure it will theoretically decrease the deficit, but by raising taxes and making insurance companies and drug makers pay larger fees, which will make doctor visits and medicine cost more. Don't worry though, the government will be sure it taxes people to no end so they can say they are controlling costs to the consumers.

[panfan01]

You misunderstand, I don't despise republicans at all and I am a college grad just like many others who supported this legislation. Your particular type of vitriolic rhetoric is what I heard yesterday from these so called grass roots "tea party people". I wonder where they were when the government was going in debt not funding a prescription drug bill, 2 wars in the middle east and tax breaks for the the wealthy. I have received medical attention in those countries that you are referring to and believe me the cost was amazingly low and the service was just as good as it is here( In Ireland they even make house calls). I would suggest that you continue to believe what you chose to believe and I will as well and the world will not care and be just fine.

[RubberMallet]

per a friend who works for the dept of defense. he says all that has to happen is a state will "sue" the federal gvt over this type of legislation (already happening apparently) and it will go to the surpreme court who will probably overturn it. he said the #1 thing they'll use is roe v wade. i was like "wha" but then did a little research....remember that one? the gvt can't tell a woman what she can and can't do to her body? but now they want to tell us that we have to insure our bodies?

he says it happens in his realm of work all the time.

he also said that most of the SCOTUS isn't a fan of zero the idiot.

oh and this guy is a democrat.

[4everfsu]

per a friend who works for the dept of defense. he says all that has to happen is a state will "sue" the federal gvt over this type of legislation (already happening apparently) and it will go to the surpreme court who will probably overturn it. he said the #1 thing they'll use is roe v wade. i was like "wha" but then did a little research....remember that one? the gvt can't tell a woman what she can and can't do to her body? but now they want to tell us that we have to insure our bodies?

he says it happens in his realm of work all the time.

he also said that most of the SCOTUS isn't a fan of zero the idiot.

oh and this guy is a democrat.

I can imagine this going to the Supreme Court. You know what they say, payback is hell(state of union comes to mind).

[Flamesfanva]

I have never given to a political group in my life, but just donated to GOP.com to get people elected and get Pelosi out from being the speaker. They want to raise $842,010 in 40 hours, and with around 19 hours left they already have raised $785,208. I think people are ticked. A map of on the site even shows Virginia as being one of the top 10 states that wants to get Pelosi fired. GO VA!

[Covert Hawk]

If you thought the census was too personal, well...

IRS looking to hire thousands of armed tax agents to enforce health care laws

Top IRS officials have been working with Democrats on Capitol Hill to determine how the agency will enforce President Obama’s new health care law. Republican lawmakers estimate the legislation will require the hiring of many thousands of new (and armed) tax enforcement agents.

While it’s still not known exactly how many will be hired, here’s what’s clear: Under the new law, the IRS is required to fine taxpayers thousands of dollars if they do not purchase health insurance. In order for the government to enforce compliance, tax authorities will need information, for the first time, about people’s health care. Collecting that data will require more IRS personnel.

Consider what has happened in Massachusetts, which passed a similar health care bill in 2006. To enforce the individual mandate, the state’s Department of Revenue asks filers what kind of insurance they have, as well as details like whether their “sincerely held religious beliefs” are moving them to petition for an exemption from the requirement.

The form also asks workers whether their employer gives them “affordable” coverage, forcing some employees to decide between tattling on their workplace and submitting false information to tax agents.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/03/22/irs-l ... z0ixYrrgCQ

[Rooster Cogburn]

I've been quiet here, but wanted to point out to TTL that this is not only about the contents of one bill, this is a shift from private industry to government industry. This is nothing less than a gov't take over of your health or lack there of. Not to mention that they plan to fine or inprison those of us who try to avoid enclusion.

[Maximus]

Don't fear Obama; Fear God. That's my political view.

That being said, how the freak do they think that spending nearly a trillion dollars will help anything. I wish that ideology worked with personal finance.

[4everfsu]

First article mentions a LU graduate

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34843.html

Second article states the IRS will lack authority to enforce the new health care

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03 ... y-enforce/

[ALUmnus]

you can always go spit on a democrat, its a new republican sporting event but you have to make sure that its not wind aided.

Prove it. You can't, because it didn't happen.

[Hold My Own]

First article mentions a LU graduate

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34843.html

He's a FF member, MatShark! Here's his response which is quite good and some what proves he did nothing wrong.
http://virginia6th.teapartywatchdogs.co ... ge-though/

[4everfsu]

Thanks for that info, glad to see Matshark is at work.

BTW those in Va, do you think Tom will win relection this year?

[ATrain]

Thanks for that info, glad to see Matshark is at work.

BTW those in Va, do you think Tom will win relection this year?

I no longer live in that district, but if the election were held today I doubt he would.

[Flamesfanva]

I don't live in his district, but will do all I can to help see that he is soundly defeated.

[JDUB]

Periello is a lame duck. He has 0 chance of being reelected. The people in the 5th district are angry, the tea party in the 5th is strong, and once a candidate is decided on to go against him Periello will be unemployed. He has been unbelievably bad, and should be a cakewalk to defeat.

[ATrain]

The main thing I'm worried about in the 5th is if Virgil Goode decides to throw his hat into the ring as an independent or 3rd party candidate.

[GoUNCA]

You guys were right. It's terrible. When I showed up at the Medical Center today they handed us hammers and sickles as we came into the hospital. I found the conference room was completely booked for death panel meetings. Patients are just accumulating while we check with Washington bureaucrats on how to treat/charge patients. It was so much easier dealing with corporate bureaucrats based in multiple cities. Most of the other doctors have just decided to quit. Money is the only reason we treated patients and now there is no profit motive. We are just sitting around with no motivation to do anything.



One positive thing is how disagreements are being settled. Before we had to talk and compromise; that's hard. Now when we disagree we all just shout at each other and call each other names. It's a lot easier.

[ALUmnus]

You guys were right. It's terrible. When I showed up at the Medical Center today they handed us hammers and sickles as we came into the hospital. I found the conference room was completely booked for death panel meetings. Patients are just accumulating while we check with Washington bureaucrats on how to treat/charge patients. It was so much easier dealing with corporate bureaucrats based in multiple cities. Most of the other doctors have just decided to quit. Money is the only reason we treated patients and now there is no profit motive. We are just sitting around with no motivation to do anything.



One positive thing is how disagreements are being settled. Before we had to talk and compromise; that's hard. Now when we disagree we all just shout at each other and call each other names. It's a lot easier.

I don't think a single point was made in either of those paragraphs, and I guess you think you're refuting some imaginary argument that you think you heard someone make.

[RubberMallet]

that post i'm going to go ahead and say is fail .

[ToTheLeft]

that post i'm going to go ahead and say is fail .

Nice sentence structure, Yoda.

[UNCA Alum]

The biggest losers in all of this (and there are a lot of losers, so it was hard to pick the biggest one) are the state governments four years down the road who will now have to find a way to account for hundreds of millions of additional Medicaid spending.

Federal government covers the Medicaid expansion for the first four years, but then it starts to get gradually get shifted over to the states. A lot of states have to actually have a balanced budget, so local politicians will get crushed for raising taxes / cutting back popular programs as Obama and the national Dems sit in the glow of their "historic" reform. And this is all so when he runs for re-election he can talk about how he didn't raise taxes. He's just passing on the sacrifice to governors and future Presidents. The Chicago Way.

Dick Morris projected that Obamacare will cost North Carolina an additional $600M per year. Even if you want to liberally assume that he's off by 50%, that's still $300M that we don't have. Medicaid has been eating up state budgets for years and this is just going to increase the problem. Easy to see why Nelson and Landrieu worked so hard for the Cornhusker Kickback and the Louisiana Purchase. This is going to KILL California. Virginia's costs are also projected by Morris to increase by $600M.

http://www.creators.com/opinion/dick-mo ... taxes.html



I'm a straight ticket Republican, but I actually switched over to independent so I could vote for Hillary Clinton in the 2008 Dem primaries. Now you know why. Zero chance she pushes through a $1T politically divisive health care bill when the economy is in the crapper.

[Innocent Bystander]

i'd certainly be more in favor in letting each state decide hc issues within that state than on a federal level.

Amen Mallet....

Seems like I read an idea like this before.....oh yeah, I remember now....the 10th amendment.

[Rooster Cogburn]

Now an FBI investigation for Matshark?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34934.html

WOW!

[ToTheLeft]

So you mean being militant about your politics doesn't work out in your favor all the time? WHAT!?!? I never knew.

[SuperJon]

I don't think anyone is surprised that he would do something like that.