[TH Spangler]

Looking at Clear View Politics, my guess is ... Obama wins. If so, what do you guys think will happen with the national debt and the future of the US dollar? I'm bracing for a wild ride? This economic situation is going to get ugly? Possible C-o-l-l-a-p-s-e?????

[jbock13]

Why do you think Obama wins?

[LUconn]

The problem with RCP and 538 is they're compiling polls that are all starting with flawed data. Their methodology is based on 2008 data. Or at least it has been. I'm not sure if they've updated it since we're getting close.

You know Romney will win 2008 McCain states which is 173 votes. So he needs 97 more. He'll get FL and NC which are a total of 44 more votes. So he's down to needing 53 votes. VA and CO is another 22 which I think he'll easily get so you're down to 31 needed. I forgot about Indiana which Mcain didn't get that Romney has basically already won, so now you're down to 20 votes needed. Ohio 18, Iowa 6, WI 10, NH 4 are all toss ups. You don't think he can get 20 out of those? I just think (lack of) voter turn out and enthusiasm will make these polls look foolish. 1 thing I know for sure is that this is a lot closer than it should be.

[LUconn]

Just saw a link on drudge to a Dick Morris article basically outlining the same scenario I just did only working down from where Obama was in '08 http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/d ... -landslide

He seems a tad on the overly optimistic side.

[Purple Haize]

The problem with RCP and 538 is they're compiling polls that are all starting with flawed data. Their methodology is based on 2008 data. Or at least it has been. I'm not sure if they've updated it since we're getting close.
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Some other smart poster said the same thing.....hmmmmm

[From the class of 09]

Why would the economic situation get ugly? After November our private sector will have a much better idea of what the new rules will be and will be able to move forward. Obama isn't going to help much of anything IMO but he's hardly a hinderance that the private sector can't overcome. It helps that the Rep will keep the House and maybe even out the Senate?!? Although if the Rep are feeling too frisky and don't deal with the fiscal cliff we willl have major issues but the Rep will be to blame just as much as Obama and his Dem friends.

Companies are making money now and are leaner then ever, give them some consistancy and they'll know where to invest some of their cash. Right now compaines are happy to sit until the elections and the fiscal cliff issues gets resolved. If they both get handled things will be looking up reguardless of who is president.

All that said I think Romney could help the situation more then 4 more years, but lets not act like the Rep have some stellar track record of responsible spending, balanced budgets, or even being reasonable to a large degree.

[TH Spangler]

Ohio 18, Iowa 6, WI 10, NH 4 are all toss ups.

Looking at RCP I'm starting to worry about the first three. But I hope your right.

I'm one of "MANY" baby boomers and we tend to reduce our spending after age 50. If this market doesn't boom, our spending grinds to halt. That's a bottom buster if you ask me. Boomers are suppose to send all that 401K money with you up and coming guys and girls. If it disappears we all go down the tube. Obama thinks taxing a hand full of supper rich is going to help the debt???? Clueless from Chicago?

[Humble_Opinion]

Why would the economic situation get ugly? After November our private sector will have a much better idea of what the new rules will be and will be able to move forward. Obama isn't going to help much of anything IMO but he's hardly a hinderance that the private sector can't overcome. It helps that the Rep will keep the House and maybe even out the Senate?!? Although if the Rep are feeling too frisky and don't deal with the fiscal cliff we willl have major issues but the Rep will be to blame just as much as Obama and his Dem friends.

Companies are making money now and are leaner then ever, give them some consistancy and they'll know where to invest some of their cash. Right now compaines are happy to sit until the elections and the fiscal cliff issues gets resolved. If they both get handled things will be looking up reguardless of who is president.

All that said I think Romney could help the situation more then 4 more years, but lets not act like the Rep have some stellar track record of responsible spending, balanced budgets, or even being reasonable to a large degree.

I agree that in general the economy improves when we have a stable set of policies. But in general, I don't think one can say with certainty that companies are sitting on their cash only because of the stability issue. I think there is something to say for the new regulations that have been proposed and instituted over the past 4 - 8 years (Obamacare, EPA, etc.). Off-shoring of jobs is going to continue to occur as well if we continue to operate under our current tax structure, or implement the changes suggested by Obama... so while I can see the picture improving once the election occurs, I'm not as optimistic as you because I believe there are fundamental problems for long term growth that will at least inhibit a recovery, and in the worst case scenario, prevent it from taking hold.

You're right about budgets, though. In the past 10 years, there hasn't been much leadership from either party.

[TH Spangler]

My favorite quote from this campaign came from Romney .... If it's not worth borrowing money from China to pay for it, then cut it.

[Purple Haize]

Per Drudge - Sex Scandal to hit campaign.

[jbock13]

Per Drudge - Sex Scandal to hit campaign.

oooooohhh, I hated Obama in the beginning, but now I really really really hate him!!!!

Let's keep focused here. (not that you aren't, I'm just talking in generalities if I were talking to folks who really believe in this nonsense)

[Purple Haize]

Per Drudge - Sex Scandal to hit campaign.

oooooohhh, I hated Obama in the beginning, but now I really really really hate him!!!!

Let's keep focused here. (not that you aren't, I'm just talking in generalities if I were talking to folks who really believe in this nonsense)

No details. There were early rumors about an Obama divorce document.....

EDIT:
STORY SAID TO INVOLVE POWERFUL SENATOR, SOURCES TELL DRUDGE. DAILY CALLER PLANS LATE NIGHT RELEASE...

[jbock13]

Obama and Barbara Boxer? hahaha that'd be funny!

haha, that'd be disgusting.

I was just worried it was Obama and Pelosi. They got pretty close for awhile!

[Purple Haize]

Or Obama and Reggie Love

[Flamesfanva]

Obama is in love with no one but himself.

[jmdickens]

Or Obama and Reggie Love

This Reggie Love?

[jbock13]

Haize, you let us know the big news when it breaks since you've got nothing else to do

[Purple Haize]

Some Senator from Jersey paid for sex. Such a disappointment ( I know, That's what she said)

[TH Spangler]

I just read Obama's plan going forward for higher education. He wants to cut student tuition growth in half over the next 10 years by offering students aid (tax payer money) and schools incentives (probably more tax payer money) that keep tuition growth down. It will be directed at "campus based students only". Why campus based only? Is that an attack on distance learning? Is this special interest lobbying at work? Is this another way for the Government to pick winners and losers ... among colleges. Isn't online learning an excellent way to lower cost over the next ten years? How would this effect Liberty students?

This is not an opinion, only a question?

[LUconn]

How would offering students aid contribute to any kind of tuition growth cut?

[adam42381]

I graduated from Liberty's online program with a degree in Business Finance. I took most of my classes on campus at Liberty then switched to the online program for my last 20 hours or so. To be honest, the online program didn't really teach me much. It was an easy way for me to graduate and it worked great given the fact that I was working full time while taking the classes, but I don't feel like I got a "real education" from the online program. I'm sure their are some who feel differently, but I've spoken to many people who took online classes and the consensus was that it was a bit of a joke. Sure, it increases income and gives many an opportunity to earn a bachelor's degree, but it just doesn't feel like I had to do nearly the amount of work I was doing when I was taking classes on campus.

[TH Spangler]

How would offering students aid contribute to any kind of tuition growth cut?

I guess he's talking about the tuition cost "the student is responsible for"? And then incentives for schools that hold down tuition cost the tax payer is responsible for. But isn't restricting it to "campus based learning" actually blocking internet technology from playing it's roll in lowering education cost going forward? My industry (Aviation Transportation) has been revolutionized by technology, like most?

[RubberMallet]

I graduated from Liberty's online program with a degree in Business Finance. I took most of my classes on campus at Liberty then switched to the online program for my last 20 hours or so. To be honest, the online program didn't really teach me much. It was an easy way for me to graduate and it worked great given the fact that I was working full time while taking the classes, but I don't feel like I got a "real education" from the online program. I'm sure their are some who feel differently, but I've spoken to many people who took online classes and the consensus was that it was a bit of a joke. Sure, it increases income and gives many an opportunity to earn a bachelor's degree, but it just doesn't feel like I had to do nearly the amount of work I was doing when I was taking classes on campus.

were they level 400 classes you took? outside of corp finance and policy, on campus business finance/management classes are kind of a joke as well. at least they were 10 years ago.

[adam42381]

Yeah, I was taking the 400 levels online to finish my degree. I'd heard so many horror stories about both corporate finance and policy that I couldn't believe how little effort it took in order to pass. I'm not saying those two were a breeze, but I probably spent less than 3 hours a week on them. I would always wait until Sunday afternoon to do my weekly work.

[jbock13]

Some Senator from Jersey paid for sex. Such a disappointment ( I know, That's what she said)

Well, he'll get reelected now. That's a résumé enhancement in the Democrat party.