[Purple Haize]

Great article on rivals.com (link on the Drudgereport). THIS is what makes me mad.
While the serial child molester is free to walk 'unmolested'....

If it’s true – Sandusky shops while Penn State burns – it is one more offensive twist in the worst week this school has ever seen.

Deposed legend Joe Paterno is hunkered down at home, dealing with a high-powered defense attorney and a PR specialist. The school is flailing for direction with a stopgap president and athletic director. Rod Erickson was elevated to the top administrative position Friday. Mark Sherburne is acting AD. Interim coach Tom Bradley tries to pull together a staff missing its receivers coach (Mike McQueary) deposed to administrative leave and with another offensive assistant presumably quite distracted (Jay Paterno). Players have seen their last home game of 2011 turned into a sideshow.

Sandusky should be the one in protective custody under police protection and suicide watch. He should not be able to roam the streets with the potential to repeat his actions. Of course I'm sure someone will say it was Paterno's influence that is keeping him out of jail

[4everfsu]

Great article on rivals.com (link on the Drudgereport). THIS is what makes me mad.
While the serial child molester is free to walk 'unmolested'....

If it’s true – Sandusky shops while Penn State burns – it is one more offensive twist in the worst week this school has ever seen.

Deposed legend Joe Paterno is hunkered down at home, dealing with a high-powered defense attorney and a PR specialist. The school is flailing for direction with a stopgap president and athletic director. Rod Erickson was elevated to the top administrative position Friday. Mark Sherburne is acting AD. Interim coach Tom Bradley tries to pull together a staff missing its receivers coach (Mike McQueary) deposed to administrative leave and with another offensive assistant presumably quite distracted (Jay Paterno). Players have seen their last home game of 2011 turned into a sideshow.

Sandusky should be the one in protective custody under police protection and suicide watch. He should not be able to roam the streets with the potential to repeat his actions. Of course I'm sure someone will say it was Paterno's influence that is keeping him out of jail

No but you did!

[Purple Haize]

right. We are going to fire you but we will still let you run the town!

Please. I think by the fact that this animal is walking the street we are seeing who truly dropped the ball and failed in their duties.

[lynchburgwildcats]

I still can't figure out why Sandusky was released on bail to begin with. He lives down/up the street from an Elementary school, he's currently charged with 40 counts of doing stuff with minors, and there are potentially 12 more victims. Why was he released on bail???

[Purple Haize]

I still can't figure out why Sandusky was released on bail to begin with. He lives down/up the street from an Elementary school, he's currently charged with 40 counts of doing stuff with minors, and there are potentially 12 more victims. Why was he released on bail???

See you and I CAN agree on something

[logic]

Pretty incredible to read this thread and the hatred for Paterno. If I didn't know anything about the story I would think JoePa was the molester.

Guys -

McQueary witnessed the rape, ran out, and "called his daddy" as one of the victim's mothers pointed out. Why did he not intervene? He's a big guy and back then was 28, surely he could have handled an aging Sandusky with ease.

Sandusky is the monster, and should be at the center of everyone's rage and anger. Next should be Ray Gricar, the now missing DA who in 1998 had an admission from Sandusky that he showered with a male youth BUT DECIDED NOT TO PRESS CHARGES. Next on the "I hate Penn State" list should be McQueary, then after him Paterno, the AD, and the President and perhaps not in that order.

Incredible to hear some of this mindless banter about Paterno being "the scum of the earth" when Sandusky was let free on bail!!!

Wait.....you're telling me a guy with 40 counts of abuse and a 1998 admission of showering with a young boy walks free and you're worried about Paterno? Look, this probably is a big cover up and Joe may very well be at the center, but doesn't the idiot judge deserve some of your wrath as well?
What about good men doing nothing? Is not the judge the latest on this long list?

Fire them all, the judge included, and forget not who actually committed the crime!!

[Sly Fox]

I don't think anyone is losing sight of Sandusky being a monster and it being ridiculous that he was let out on $100k unsecured bond. Everyone in this thread is in 100% agreement that it is impossible to give the man what he really deserves. We'll leave that up to the ultimate judge.

But those involved in the cover-up also need to answer for their actions or lack thereof. That includes Spanier, Curley, McQueary & Paterno. The last guy in the list seems to be above reproach for some in this thread because of their personal affection for the man. That is why there has been such a heated discussion here.

I can assure you that none of us who have had family & friends sexually assaulted as children take any of this lightly. And if you are thinking that none of that has happened in your circles, you'd likely be wrong. Sexual abuse of children is one of Satan's most devastating weapons. It can destroy lives for generations and due to its very nature remains hidden to most. For someone to enable and cover up for such despicable actions is appalling. Period.

[Purple Haize]

I'm still not sure what Paterno covered up. He went to the people he was supposed to go to when an incident like this occurs. Was he guilty of not following up? Yes, but investigators never even talked to McQuery so it's reasonable to believe that he thought things were settled and no need for further involvement Of course when he read the GJ report he realized he should have done more, who wouldn't? I have no burning loyalty one way or another with him just what I think

[PAmedic]

I still can't figure out why Sandusky was released on bail to begin with. He lives down/up the street from an Elementary school, he's currently charged with 40 counts of doing stuff with minors, and there are potentially 12 more victims. Why was he released on bail???

because bail, by definition, is NOT PUNITIVE- it is merely to guarantee your appearance at a preliminary hearing.

and there are guidelines to be followed when setting bail- generally speaking someone with a long employment hx or residency is granted bail, and though the amounts seem high- one only need post 10% cash to get out.

anyone with means doesnt normally have an issue coming up with the cash.

[NotAJerry]

This gets worse by the moment.

The judge who set unsecured bail for Jerry Sandusky is a Second Mile volunteer.

http://deadspin.com/5859075/judge-who-s ... -volunteer

The self-absorption and lack of even moderate concern for conflict of interest that swarms around the legal side of this mess is astounding. The judge should be disbarred, as should the lawyer that PSU used for Sandusky back in 02.

[PAmedic]

This gets worse by the moment.

The judge who set unsecured bail for Jerry Sandusky is a Second Mile volunteer.

http://deadspin.com/5859075/judge-who-s ... -volunteer

The self-absorption and lack of even moderate concern for conflict of interest that swarms around the legal side of this mess is astounding. The judge should be disbarred, as should the lawyer that PSU used for Sandusky back in 02.

hey Perry Mason- how many ways can I explain this? Bail is not punitive. The judege is following legal precedent here.

I know some of you guys live in the bubble, but sad to say- these type cases are prosecuted all the time (did one this summer) and the guys are out on bail the same day they are arrested. Sickness is everywhere- this one is just high profile.

There's a detective that works NOTHING BUT these cases. All day, every day. It's beyond sad and I don't know how he does it.

[jbock13]

1. He keeps quoting deadspin.

2. He doesn't care about the court process. There's clearly a conspiracy and by gum, he's gonna show everybody!

[From the class of 09]

On a positive note, loved the pre-game prayer before the game this last weekend led by Ron Brown. Espn didn't even cut away. When things get bad it's ok to show people praying I guess.

[alabama24]

On a positive note, loved the pre-game prayer before the game this last weekend led by Ron Brown. Espn didn't even cut away. When things get bad it's ok to show people praying I guess.

Agreed. No matter where you stand on these issues, the players have had a hard week beyond their control. It was a touching and appropriate gesture.

[NotAJerry]

This gets worse by the moment.

The judge who set unsecured bail for Jerry Sandusky is a Second Mile volunteer.

http://deadspin.com/5859075/judge-who-s ... -volunteer

The self-absorption and lack of even moderate concern for conflict of interest that swarms around the legal side of this mess is astounding. The judge should be disbarred, as should the lawyer that PSU used for Sandusky back in 02.

hey Perry Mason- how many ways can I explain this? Bail is not punitive. The judege is following legal precedent here.

I know some of you guys live in the bubble, but sad to say- these type cases are prosecuted all the time (did one this summer) and the guys are out on bail the same day they are arrested. Sickness is everywhere- this one is just high profile.

There's a detective that works NOTHING BUT these cases. All day, every day. It's beyond sad and I don't know how he does it.

Considering I work with lawyers in DC all the time, there is something wrong when they point out things like this being grounds for possible disbarment. Has nothing to do with precedent and everything to do with a judge not recusing himself from a situation that brings about an obvious conflict of interest.

Maybe next time you'll be less of an arrogant jerk and actually understand the context of the comment before spouting off like a stereotypical slimy lawyer.

[Purple Haize]

If I may step in here. I think you are both arguing from different pages.
Page 1 - there is precedent for a criminal of this type to be let out on bail. I believe there is also precedent for them not too be.
Page 2 - the judges affiliation with the 2nd mile organization. Is it possible that the judge setting bail is a different judge from the trial judge? Just asking

[Cider Jim]

the pre-game prayer before the game

[From the class of 09]

the pre-game prayer before the game

sorry

[Cider Jim]

This is one of the best op-ed articles you'll ever read on this tragedy, and it's from a recent LU alumnus (M.A., B.A. in English), and a native of central PA:

Happy Valley: The Delusion of Penn State’s Paradise, Lost
By Nick Olson– November 13, 2011
A native citizen of "Happy Valley" wrestles with the mythos of the land and the meaning of a scandal.
I grew up—and still live—in Penn State country just outside of State College. Nearly everyone knows the area by a different name: Happy Valley. Reasons abound as to why one would be happy living in the heart of Pennsylvania, but the main reason for the colloquialism is that Penn State has been a nationally esteemed place to raise a family. We have been dubbed the “least stressful,” ranked 19th among the “50 smartest places to live,” and counted the number one “safest small city in America.” Growing up here, the idea that there were streets I shouldn’t drive down was foreign to me.

http://www.christandpopculture.com/feat ... dise-lost/

[PAmedic]

Considering I work with lawyers in DC all the time, there is something wrong when they point out things like this being grounds for possible disbarment. Has nothing to do with precedent and everything to do with a judge not recusing himself from a situation that brings about an obvious conflict of interest.

Maybe next time you'll be less of an arrogant jerk and actually understand the context of the comment before spouting off like a stereotypical slimy lawyer.

easy killer. This is just an internet discussion board.

A. Unless DC became part of PA overnight (no thanks) your beltway lawyers arent working under the laws of my Commonwealth.

B. It was a bail hearing- not the OJ trial. In any event, had bail been set higher, you can bet there would have been a bail reduction hearing first thing Monday AM and the result wouldve have been the same. People get bent all the time over percieved "low bail" but its just the way the system works.

And if you worked with me you'd understand how funny calling me a slimy lawyer is! Not many people have the dislike I do for them. I just play the game, and a big part of that is "know your enemy"

[PAmedic]

If I may step in here. I think you are both arguing from different pages.
Page 1 - there is precedent for a criminal of this type to be let out on bail. I believe there is also precedent for them not too be.
Page 2 - the judges affiliation with the 2nd mile organization. Is it possible that the judge setting bail is a different judge from the trial judge? Just asking

1. true

2. yes. The bail is set by an on-call District Justice (after hours) or by the LOCAL DJ for the jurisdiction the arrest/warrant originated. It is very likely that the DJ would recuse themselves for the actual pre-lim if doesnt get straight waived. Which I'd guess it won't if his lawyer is saying he didnt do anything wrong. But the prelim is VERY different from a trial. There is no finding of guilt - only a reading of the charges and, if the preponderance of evidence warrants moving it up- setting a date in Commonwealth Court for a trial.

This is also the start of the deal making process (consolidation of charges, dropping felonies in exchange for guilty pleas on misdemeanors, etc)


And I have no idea why I started engaging in discussion on this topic now. I vowed to stay out of it.

[jbock13]

"Maybe next time you'll be less of an arrogant jerk and actually understand the context of the comment before spouting off like a stereotypical slimy lawyer."

lol NotAJerry. Now you know what other people think about you around here!

Can you just tell this guy is not able to consider anyone else's point of view at all?

[Purple Haize]

If I may step in here. I think you are both arguing from different pages.
Page 1 - there is precedent for a criminal of this type to be let out on bail. I believe there is also precedent for them not too be.
Page 2 - the judges affiliation with the 2nd mile organization. Is it possible that the judge setting bail is a different judge from the trial judge? Just asking

1. true

2. yes. The bail is set by an on-call District Justice (after hours) or by the LOCAL DJ for the jurisdiction the arrest/warrant originated. It is very likely that the DJ would recuse themselves for the actual pre-lim if doesnt get straight waived. Which I'd guess it won't if his lawyer is saying he didnt do anything wrong. But the prelim is VERY different from a trial. There is no finding of guilt - only a reading of the charges and, if the preponderance of evidence warrants moving it up- setting a date in Commonwealth Court for a trial.

This is also the start of the deal making process (consolidation of charges, dropping felonies in exchange for guilty pleas on misdemeanors, etc)


And I have no idea why I started engaging in discussion on this topic now. I vowed to stay out of it.

Ha. This topic has that affect on people. It makes sense, but can't say I agree with it. Although, I m not sure of the time line, but I think this bail was set before it went national.

[NotAJerry]

Charles P. Pierce on the brutal truth about the crimes at Penn State - Grantland

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/723 ... penn-state

The crimes at Penn State are about the raping of children. That is all they are about. The crimes at Penn State are about the raping of children by Jerry Sandusky, and the possibility that people lied to a grand jury about the raping of children by Jerry Sandusky, and the likelihood that most of the people who had the authority at Penn State to stop the raping of children by Jerry Sandusky proved themselves to have the moral backbone of ribbon worms.


It no longer matters if there continues to be a football program at Penn State. It no longer even matters if there continues to be a university there at all. All of these considerations are trivial by comparison to what went on in and around the Penn State football program.
(Those people who will pass this off as an overreaction would do well to remember that the Roman Catholic Church is reckoned to be a far more durable institution than even Penn State University is, and the Church has spent the past decade or so selling off its various franchise properties all over the world to pay off the tsunami of civil judgments resulting from the raping of children, a cascade that shows no signs of abating anytime soon.)

There will now be a decade or more of criminal trials, and perhaps a quarter-century or more of civil actions, as a result of what went on at Penn State. These things cannot be prayed away. Let us hear nothing about "closure" or about "moving on." And God help us, let us not hear a single mumbling word about how football can help the university "heal." (Lord, let the Alamo Bowl be an instrument of your peace.) This wound should be left open and gaping and raw until the very last of the children that Jerry Sandusky is accused of raping somehow gets whatever modicum of peace and retribution can possibly be granted to him. This wound should be left open and gaping and raw in the bright sunlight where everybody can see it, for years and years and years, until the raped children themselves decide that justice has been done. When they're done healing — if they're ever done healing — then they and their families can give Penn State permission to start.

If that blights Joe Paterno's declining years, that's too bad. If that takes a chunk out of the endowment, hold a dang bake sale. If that means that Penn State spends some time being known as the university where a child got raped, that's what happens when you're a university where a child got raped. Any sympathy for this institution went down the drain in the shower room in the Lasch Building. There's nothing that can happen to the university, or to the people sunk up to their eyeballs in this incredible moral quagmire, that's worse than what happened to the children who got raped at Penn State. Good Lord, people, get up off your knees and get over yourselves.

[NotAJerry]

Oh, and the lawyer representing Sandusky, fathered a child with a 16 year old when he was 49. You can't make this stuff up.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/s ... RSdr9zeutK