[ValkRider]

That’s fascinating, I’d never heard about that. I’d give @rhezick the benefit of the doubt that he had never heard about it either.

The rumor is apparently that Carter commuted the sentences in exchange for the release of CIA operatives in Cuba, obviously we did not confirm this.

Also, that trans-Atlantic accent in the news report is just so silly to me. Trying to talk all fancy lol

That's the problem. No one actually studies history anymore and most people blindly parrot media lies as if they are the truth.

Surely someone in the media knew about this event before putting out the "1814" talking point, they just didn't care, because it doesn't fit with the spin for today.

The media praised BLM trashing cities all summer as "peaceful protesters" with "only a few bad apples." They never condemned CHAZ, or the occupation of government buildings in Minneapolis, Seattle and Portland, they praised the occupation of the Wisconsin Capitol in 2011, they painted those who stormed the Senate Gallery in 2018 during the Kavanaugh hearings as "brave" and "fearless" and they parrot lies like this.

There were well over 100000 people at the rally yesterday. About 50-100 of that crowd pushed the envelope and went inside the building. Suddenly the script from the media is that "Trump told the whole crowd to go inside" (He didn't) and the entire rally was a "mob" "riot" and "insurrection."

The double-think is breathtaking.

[stokesjokes]

Whether it happened twice before or three times is really immaterial. It should never happen. And if you can’t see Trump’s rhetoric and right-wing media’s rhetoric’s role in creating yesterday, you are being willfully ignorant or dishonest. This has been what Trump supporters have hidden behind for 4 years, over and over again: “well, that’s not really what he meant” or “he was just joking/exaggerating.” He stood on a podium in the morning and told a mob of angry people that he created to march on the capitol. Yet sympathizers after the fact want to say “well, he didn’t think they’d actually go inside.” It’s breathtakingly blind. People like Eric Metaxas have been going on air for 2 months saying they would fight and die for Trump, but somehow when people actually fight and die for Trump it’s because the mainstream media, who I guarantee none of the participants yesterday watch, weren’t adequately outraged about violence during BLM protests. It’s shameful deflection.

[ElmersTwin]

That’s fascinating, I’d never heard about that. I’d give @rhezick the benefit of the doubt that he had never heard about it either.

The rumor is apparently that Carter commuted the sentences in exchange for the release of CIA operatives in Cuba, obviously we did not confirm this.

Also, that trans-Atlantic accent in the news report is just so silly to me. Trying to talk all fancy lol

That's the problem. No one actually studies history anymore and most people blindly parrot media lies as if they are the truth.

Surely someone in the media knew about this event before putting out the "1814" talking point, they just didn't care, because it doesn't fit with the spin for today.

The media praised BLM trashing cities all summer as "peaceful protesters" with "only a few bad apples." They never condemned CHAZ, or the occupation of government buildings in Minneapolis, Seattle and Portland, they praised the occupation of the Wisconsin Capitol in 2011, they painted those who stormed the Senate Gallery in 2018 during the Kavanaugh hearings as "brave" and "fearless" and they parrot lies like this.

There were well over 100000 people at the rally yesterday. About 50-100 of that crowd pushed the envelope and went inside the building. Suddenly the script from the media is that "Trump told the whole crowd to go inside" (He didn't) and the entire rally was a "mob" "riot" and "insurrection."

The double-think is breathtaking.

That whataboutism is equally as breathtaking.

[stokesjokes]

The media praised BLM trashing cities all summer as "peaceful protesters" with "only a few bad apples."

...

There were well over 100000 people at the rally yesterday. About 50-100 of that crowd pushed the envelope and went inside the building.

literally in the same post

[ValkRider]

The media praised BLM trashing cities all summer as "peaceful protesters" with "only a few bad apples."

...

There were well over 100000 people at the rally yesterday. About 50-100 of that crowd pushed the envelope and went inside the building.

literally in the same post

And? My point is the media has two different narratives depending on who is involved.

[stokesjokes]

Yes, so do you.

[ValkRider]

That’s fascinating, I’d never heard about that. I’d give @rhezick the benefit of the doubt that he had never heard about it either.

The rumor is apparently that Carter commuted the sentences in exchange for the release of CIA operatives in Cuba, obviously we did not confirm this.

Also, that trans-Atlantic accent in the news report is just so silly to me. Trying to talk all fancy lol

That's the problem. No one actually studies history anymore and most people blindly parrot media lies as if they are the truth.

Surely someone in the media knew about this event before putting out the "1814" talking point, they just didn't care, because it doesn't fit with the spin for today.

The media praised BLM trashing cities all summer as "peaceful protesters" with "only a few bad apples." They never condemned CHAZ, or the occupation of government buildings in Minneapolis, Seattle and Portland, they praised the occupation of the Wisconsin Capitol in 2011, they painted those who stormed the Senate Gallery in 2018 during the Kavanaugh hearings as "brave" and "fearless" and they parrot lies like this.

There were well over 100000 people at the rally yesterday. About 50-100 of that crowd pushed the envelope and went inside the building. Suddenly the script from the media is that "Trump told the whole crowd to go inside" (He didn't) and the entire rally was a "mob" "riot" and "insurrection."

The double-think is breathtaking.

That whataboutism is equally as breathtaking.

"Whataboutism" is a fake media/twitter term designed to deflect from having to deal with hypocrisy.

[ValkRider]

Yes, so do you.

Your deflection is noted, and you are going to have a difficult time demonstrating that since I just started posting here.

[stokesjokes]

Literally in that post, you criticized the media for representing the BLM protests as “peaceful with a few bad apples” and then immediately imply that yesterday was “peaceful with a few bad apples.”

[ValkRider]

Literally in that post, you criticized the media for representing the BLM protests as “peaceful with a few bad apples” and then immediately imply that yesterday was “peaceful with a few bad apples.”

LOL. I criticized the media for creating one narrative about BLM/Storming the Senate/Taking over the Wisconsin capital, yet creating an entirely different narrative for yesterday.

That's the whole point of the post. I don't know what you are going on about.

[stokesjokes]

I must have misread your tone. I took this: "There were well over 100000 people at the rally yesterday. About 50-100 of that crowd pushed the envelope and went inside the building" as you intending to say that it was "mostly peaceful," like you're criticizing the media for doing.

[ValkRider]

I must have misread your tone. I took this: "There were well over 100000 people at the rally yesterday. About 50-100 of that crowd pushed the envelope and went inside the building" as you intending to say that it was "mostly peaceful," like you're criticizing the media for doing.

I didn't say anything about "mostly peaceful" for either situation. I said the media had one narrative for BLM/Wisconsin 2011/2018 and entirely different narrative for yesterday.

That's the extent of the post.

If the media was consistent, and not a propaganda organ, the narrative for yesterday would be "50-100 radicals broke off from the mostly peaceful crowd and stormed the Capitol."

They didn't do that at all. Instead, the narrative is that 100% of the 100000 people were part of an insurrectionist mob and the President gave a direct order for them to storm the Capitol.

[TH Spangler]

I try and make sense of the past year. Why do Democrats think poking 75M people in the eye leads to anything good. Impeachment with 2 weeks to go?

[TH Spangler]

Secretary of transportation hit the road today?

[ValkRider]

I try and make sense of the past year. Why do Democrats think poking 75M people in the eye leads to anything good. Impeachment with 2 weeks to go?

The Senate isn't even in session again until the 20th.

[stokesjokes]

I must have misread your tone. I took this: "There were well over 100000 people at the rally yesterday. About 50-100 of that crowd pushed the envelope and went inside the building" as you intending to say that it was "mostly peaceful," like you're criticizing the media for doing.

I didn't say anything about "mostly peaceful" for either situation. I said the media had one narrative for BLM/Wisconsin 2011/2018 and entirely different narrative for yesterday.

That's the extent of the post.

If the media was consistent, and not a propaganda organ, the narrative for yesterday would be "50-100 radicals broke off from the mostly peaceful crowd and stormed the Capitol."

They didn't do that at all. Instead, the narrative is that 100% of the 100000 people were part of an insurrectionist mob and the President gave a direct order for them to storm the Capitol.

Sorry for misinterpreting. I can get pretty riled up

I do agree that there should be consistency. I don't think I've heard anyone make the claimed narrative that it was everyone in the crowd or a direct order, but Trump and his own biased media machine have been egging this on for 2 months.

[stokesjokes]

I try and make sense of the past year. Why do Democrats think poking 75M people in the eye leads to anything good. Impeachment with 2 weeks to go?

If impeached and removed, he's barred from future public office. There's already been talk about 2024 for him, so that would close that door. Although I would hope yesterday would lose him any kind of support where that would be disruptive, I don't trust that it really will.

It's also a bit of grandstanding: vote on whether you support what happened or not.

[TH Spangler]

Guys, I know these are crazy times. Just remember Gods in control. Like the video I posted in the endtime thread explains, "God is telling a story". Check it out if you haven't.

I've said before God sets up kings and takes them down, I think its safe to say Trump time at the top is over. I'm actually very interested to seeing how God uses the next administration in His story. I'll be paying close attention to how they treat Israel.

[JK37]

I must have misread your tone. I took this: "There were well over 100000 people at the rally yesterday. About 50-100 of that crowd pushed the envelope and went inside the building" as you intending to say that it was "mostly peaceful," like you're criticizing the media for doing.

I didn't say anything about "mostly peaceful" for either situation. I said the media had one narrative for BLM/Wisconsin 2011/2018 and entirely different narrative for yesterday.

That's the extent of the post.

If the media was consistent, and not a propaganda organ, the narrative for yesterday would be "50-100 radicals broke off from the mostly peaceful crowd and stormed the Capitol."

They didn't do that at all. Instead, the narrative is that 100% of the 100000 people were part of an insurrectionist mob and the President gave a direct order for them to storm the Capitol.

Sorry for misinterpreting. I can get pretty riled up

I do agree that there should be consistency. I don't think I've heard anyone make the claimed narrative that it was everyone in the crowd or a direct order, but Trump and his own biased media machine have been egging this on for 2 months.

Sometimes what is not said is more telling than what is.

As for Trump, you are right. He has a responsibility to understand how the fringes of his supporters will react to certain rhetoric, and adapt accordingly. It’s a value proposition of power. His narcissism was only held in check before the election when the prospect of four more years was on the table. I said after he lost it would get ugly because now he now has no incentive to censor himself.

[lynchburgwildcats]

Trump loves Nazis, confirmed

[lynchburgwildcats]

It seems like the Capitol police were at least underprepared for this. They held barriers and pushed back more aggressively against more people than this all summer.

I’m not sure why they weren’t ready, maybe it will come out in the coming days. We had plenty of forewarning that this event could and probably would turn ugly. Did they have certain orders that prevented them from acting more firmly? Was it some kind of bias about the people involved?

We do know that Pence had to overstep the president to activate the national guard, so it makes me wonder if guidance from the White House had anything to do with it.

Because police forces have been knowingly employing white supremacists and other right wing extremists for years. These are their bros.

[lynchburgwildcats]

Trump needs to be put on trial for domestic terrorism, treason, sedition, and insurrection.

[TH Spangler]

Trump needs to be put on trial for domestic terrorism, treason, sedition, and insurrection.

Seek help

[TH Spangler]

Trump loves Nazis, confirmed

Beschloss? Works for MSNBC. Married to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afsaneh ... _Beschloss

We are living in interesting times guys.

[ElmersTwin]

Trump loves Nazis, confirmed

Beschloss? Works for MSNBC. Married to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afsaneh ... _Beschloss

We are living in interesting times guys.

And your point?