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By Purple Haize
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thepostman wrote: December 18th, 2019, 11:11 pm I mean he isn't a good person. Just read his Twitter account and how he talks about people who disagree with him. If you support trump because of his policies, that is one thing but please don't try to claim he is a good person.

Then there are Republicans who say stuff like this....



I can't believe I am saying this but if more Trump supporters were like @Purple Haize and just supported his policies instead of continually trying to defend Trump the person, I'd get less upset about it.

Comparing him to Jesus before being crucified? That is just insane!
What? He attacks people who attack him?!? IMPEACH!!!
Oh wait
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By Just John
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Tnobes wrote: December 18th, 2019, 10:59 pm Can you give me an example of him being a despicable human being in the last ten years?
How about last 10 minutes?

He is at his rally tonight in MN, patting himself on the back for giving an "A+" sendoff to John Dingle after 50 years in Congress. Every president would have done the same. It was nothing special. But he totally makes fun of Dingle's wife calling him to thank him for it and telling him "John is looking down". Trump then say's "well maybe he's looking up". What a total jerk. I'm sorry, that is not the action of a good man.

The guy hasn't even been dead a year yet. His wife is still going through "the first's".....this will be her first Christmas without her husband of many decades. Her crime? She voted for his impeachment.

I have never voted for a Democrat and have no future plans to do so. If you voted for him because of his policies I get that. But you are kidding yourself if you think he is a decent person. He's hateful, bitter, and rude. And you are completely wrong about the "alt-right". There was a specific strategy by the alt-right to use the term themselves. (I too have been a Republican all my life...and I'm pretty old).
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By Purple Haize
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Just John wrote: December 18th, 2019, 11:57 pm
Tnobes wrote: December 18th, 2019, 10:59 pm Can you give me an example of him being a despicable human being in the last ten years?
How about last 10 minutes?

He is at his rally tonight in MN, patting himself on the back for giving an "A+" sendoff to John Dingle after 50 years in Congress. Every president would have done the same. It was nothing special. But he totally makes fun of Dingle's wife calling him to thank him for it and telling him "John is looking down". Trump then say's "well maybe he's looking up". What a total jerk. I'm sorry, that is not the action of a good man.

The guy hasn't even been dead a year yet. His wife is still going through "the first's".....this will be her first Christmas without her husband of many decades. Her crime? She voted for his impeachment.

I have never voted for a Democrat and have no future plans to do so. If you voted for him because of his policies I get that. But you are kidding yourself if you think he is a decent person. He's hateful, bitter, and rude. And you are completely wrong about the "alt-right". There was a specific strategy by the alt-right to use the term themselves. (I too have been a Republican all my life...and I'm pretty old).
Trump certainly can offend one’s sensibilities but he can also be extremely kind and generous. If you haven’t figured it out by now, he’s a counter puncher. The comment tonight was in response to an attack by Ms Dingle. Unnecessary on her part. Unnecessary on his part.
The Alt-Right is at the far fringe of any movement and has been roundly and strongly condemned by Republican in any type of leadership role. Including Trump. The same can’t be said of AntiFa and the Left. The pearl clutching over Trumps personality is tiring and pointless
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By thepostman
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Yes it is tiring but just as tiring is people speaking in circles trying to make him sound like some kind of saint or martyr. The whole thing is tiresome and I can't wait for it all to be over.
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By Purple Haize
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thepostman wrote: December 19th, 2019, 12:13 am Yes it is tiring but just as tiring is people speaking in circles trying to make him sound like some kind of saint or martyr. The whole thing is tiresome and I can't wait for it all to be over.
I can live with a Martyr because he’s been hounded from before day 1. Saint? Messiah? Child please
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By Just John
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Purple Haize wrote: December 19th, 2019, 12:09 am
Just John wrote: December 18th, 2019, 11:57 pm
Tnobes wrote: December 18th, 2019, 10:59 pm Can you give me an example of him being a despicable human being in the last ten years?
How about last 10 minutes?

He is at his rally tonight in MN, patting himself on the back for giving an "A+" sendoff to John Dingle after 50 years in Congress. Every president would have done the same. It was nothing special. But he totally makes fun of Dingle's wife calling him to thank him for it and telling him "John is looking down". Trump then say's "well maybe he's looking up". What a total jerk. I'm sorry, that is not the action of a good man.

The guy hasn't even been dead a year yet. His wife is still going through "the first's".....this will be her first Christmas without her husband of many decades. Her crime? She voted for his impeachment.

I have never voted for a Democrat and have no future plans to do so. If you voted for him because of his policies I get that. But you are kidding yourself if you think he is a decent person. He's hateful, bitter, and rude. And you are completely wrong about the "alt-right". There was a specific strategy by the alt-right to use the term themselves. (I too have been a Republican all my life...and I'm pretty old).
Trump certainly can offend one’s sensibilities but he can also be extremely kind and generous. If you haven’t figured it out by now, he’s a counter puncher. The comment tonight was in response to an attack by Ms Dingle. Unnecessary on her part. Unnecessary on his part.
The Alt-Right is at the far fringe of any movement and has been roundly and strongly condemned by Republican in any type of leadership role. Including Trump. The same can’t be said of AntiFa and the Left. The pearl clutching over Trumps personality is tiring and pointless
Big deal, a lot of jerks can be "extremely kind and generous". In fact, it's a major trait of some as they try to manipulate others.

I worked 14 hours today and didn't see any news. I googled to find what attack Dingell made on him and couldn't find anything. Even Fox doesn't have anything...of course they also don't have any news of him intimating her husband may be in hell. LOL. Not saying it didn't happen. Regardless, he's the President. He's the only one. He should act like it instead of a third-grader who has to fight back. And it's BS to say he only fights back. He's on the offensive plenty.

The question was posited, "give an example of when he has been despicable in the last 10 years". I obliged. You are correct about Antifa, etc. That's not the issue. The statement was made "there's no such thing as the alt-right". There is, and it's crazy to say otherwise.They are not the majority by any sense but they are a "they".
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By Just John
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Purple Haize wrote: December 19th, 2019, 12:24 am
thepostman wrote: December 19th, 2019, 12:13 am Yes it is tiring but just as tiring is people speaking in circles trying to make him sound like some kind of saint or martyr. The whole thing is tiresome and I can't wait for it all to be over.
I can live with a Martyr because he’s been hounded from before day 1. Saint? Messiah? Child please
I agree with "child". :D
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By Purple Haize
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Just John wrote: December 19th, 2019, 12:39 am
Purple Haize wrote: December 19th, 2019, 12:09 am
Just John wrote: December 18th, 2019, 11:57 pm

How about last 10 minutes?

He is at his rally tonight in MN, patting himself on the back for giving an "A+" sendoff to John Dingle after 50 years in Congress. Every president would have done the same. It was nothing special. But he totally makes fun of Dingle's wife calling him to thank him for it and telling him "John is looking down". Trump then say's "well maybe he's looking up". What a total jerk. I'm sorry, that is not the action of a good man.

The guy hasn't even been dead a year yet. His wife is still going through "the first's".....this will be her first Christmas without her husband of many decades. Her crime? She voted for his impeachment.

I have never voted for a Democrat and have no future plans to do so. If you voted for him because of his policies I get that. But you are kidding yourself if you think he is a decent person. He's hateful, bitter, and rude. And you are completely wrong about the "alt-right". There was a specific strategy by the alt-right to use the term themselves. (I too have been a Republican all my life...and I'm pretty old).
Trump certainly can offend one’s sensibilities but he can also be extremely kind and generous. If you haven’t figured it out by now, he’s a counter puncher. The comment tonight was in response to an attack by Ms Dingle. Unnecessary on her part. Unnecessary on his part.
The Alt-Right is at the far fringe of any movement and has been roundly and strongly condemned by Republican in any type of leadership role. Including Trump. The same can’t be said of AntiFa and the Left. The pearl clutching over Trumps personality is tiring and pointless
Big deal, a lot of jerks can be "extremely kind and generous". In fact, it's a major trait of some as they try to manipulate others.

I worked 14 hours today and didn't see any news. I googled to find what attack Dingell made on him and couldn't find anything. Even Fox doesn't have anything...of course they also don't have any news of him intimating her husband may be in hell. LOL. Not saying it didn't happen. Regardless, he's the President. He's the only one. He should act like it instead of a third-grader who has to fight back. And it's BS to say he only fights back. He's on the offensive plenty.

The question was posited, "give an example of when he has been despicable in the last 10 years". I obliged. You are correct about Antifa, etc. That's not the issue. The statement was made "there's no such thing as the alt-right". There is, and it's crazy to say otherwise.They are not the majority by any sense but they are a "they".
“He should act like it”. Who defines how a President is supposed to act? He got elected largely due to his personality. People wanted a fighter. They got one.
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"He should act like it". So be like other Presidents who mask their true character, who don't present themselves truthfully? What is "Presidential"...someone who patronizes and manipulates in an articulate and "professional" manner so we as Americans feel better.....overlooking the fact that we are being played? Like him or not...Trump is who he is and he doesn't pretend to be some "raised pinky elitist". Does he have major character flaws, Yep...and he wears them on the outside. Unlike many of his predecessors. Make no mistake...while Trump has many flaws that you can call him out for, there are former White House residents who have some pretty bad skeletons....but they "acted Presidential". Trump is a champion for the troops and first responders. There are some past Presidents who looked and sounded Presidential that did not give a rat's ... about our military or our first responders....or their own supporters for that matter.

Trump has flaws, but he's not a fake. What you see is what you get, and when you go after him, you know he's coming back at you. That's Trump.

No other President (that I'm aware of) has ever donated their salary to charity or the military. He is a "bad man"...why, because he hits back, because he has become so jaded over the past three years due to his own right's being violated, because every....single....word....the man says is exploited, twisted, echoed, and used against him...whether their in context or not? I get that he's got issues and he is aggressive. I get that he's not a savory character in many regards....but I'm not going to question the man's heart regardless of his language, twitting, and past history...that's above me. He has implemented some phenomenal agenda items for this country. I believe he truly does want good for this country.

The difference between Trump and the others.....he doesn't try to hide who he is, and that's hard to swallow. I won't (and can't) defend that Trumps a "good guy" or that he fits into that little label we feel can be defined as "Presidential". I won't defend that he's even the most qualified for the job. But, I will say he is not deserving of what he has faced the past three years....no matter how cross and "unpolitically correct" his language has been. So Trump has a sullied past and even continues to have issues....guess what folks....all those "Presidential" residents before him....many of them did the same things and maybe even worse. The difference is.....they "acted Presidential" so that made US feel better about who they were (or who we thought they were).
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By stokesjokes
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Hey guys, I’m a long-time lurker who usually likes to read opinions instead of giving them, but I’m bored at work lol


Are we really defending Trump’s generosity? The guy who just had to pay $2 million for stealing from charities? Or how about the $25 million for the Trump University scam?


And let’s talk about this whole “fighter” business. Can anyone tell me which fruit of the spirit that is? I know he isn’t the “pastor in chief”, but are we really trying to say we need a non-Christian to lead us so he can do things that Christians shouldn’t?

It breaks my heart when I see so many Christians not only excuse but endorse this “counter-puncher” mentality. What did Jesus tell us to do when someone strikes you? Hit them back?
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stokesjokes wrote: December 19th, 2019, 1:39 pm Hey guys, I’m a long-time lurker who usually likes to read opinions instead of giving them, but I’m bored at work lol


Are we really defending Trump’s generosity? The guy who just had to pay $2 million for stealing from charities? Or how about the $25 million for the Trump University scam?


And let’s talk about this whole “fighter” business. Can anyone tell me which fruit of the spirit that is? I know he isn’t the “pastor in chief”, ]but are we really trying to say we need a non-Christian to lead us so he can do things that Christians shouldn’t?

It breaks my heart when I see so many Christians not only excuse but endorse this “counter-puncher” mentality. What did Jesus tell us to do when someone strikes you? Hit them back?
Just asking here......are you implying all the Presidents before Trump were Christian? In speech? In action? Because of assumptions by the electorate?

Also, I think it's a bit presumptuous to suggest just because someone (even Christians) supports aspects of the Trump Presidency or defends his rights as a US citizen, that they by extension are all-in-on/endorsing/excusing his demeanor, character, or "everything Trump". If that is the rule of thumb by which we measure one another....I would disparage anyone from disclosing who they EVER voted for. That would certainly come back to bite......
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By LU 57
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stokesjokes wrote: December 19th, 2019, 1:39 pm Hey guys, I’m a long-time lurker who usually likes to read opinions instead of giving them, but I’m bored at work lol


Are we really defending Trump’s generosity? The guy who just had to pay $2 million for stealing from charities? Or how about the $25 million for the Trump University scam?


And let’s talk about this whole “fighter” business. Can anyone tell me which fruit of the spirit that is? I know he isn’t the “pastor in chief”, but are we really trying to say we need a non-Christian to lead us so he can do things that Christians shouldn’t?

It breaks my heart when I see so many Christians not only excuse but endorse this “counter-puncher” mentality. What did Jesus tell us to do when someone strikes you? Hit them back?
I am somewhere in the middle on this. I pretty much find President Trump’s antics as loathesome as you do; however he has led some policy changes that I am totally in favor of -Supreme Court, tax reform, increased defense spending, religious discrimination, etc.

As for the “counter-puncher” argument, I find it humorous but not helpful. I agree with those that say God can use anyone, but I do not buy the King David comparison. The key missing component is the repentance. DJT was not even willing to say that he had EVER sinned.

All considered, not a big fan of the lesser of two evils thing, but I am likely to vote for him in 2020 given how far left the Dems have moved. I did not vote for either major candidate in 2016.

Anyway, I think there are a lot of folks like me who will do the same.
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By Purple Haize
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stokesjokes wrote: December 19th, 2019, 1:39 pm Hey guys, I’m a long-time lurker who usually likes to read opinions instead of giving them, but I’m bored at work lol


Are we really defending Trump’s generosity? The guy who just had to pay $2 million for stealing from charities? Or how about the $25 million for the Trump University scam?


And let’s talk about this whole “fighter” business. Can anyone tell me which fruit of the spirit that is? I know he isn’t the “pastor in chief”, but are we really trying to say we need a non-Christian to lead us so he can do things that Christians shouldn’t?

It breaks my heart when I see so many Christians not only excuse but endorse this “counter-puncher” mentality. What did Jesus tell us to do when someone strikes you? Hit them back?
There are lots of layers to the Charity and Trump University story I won’t get into. Not a great look but not pure evil either
As for the counter puncher, yep I’m a big fan. Too many times we lay down in the face of attack on our principles. Standing up for yourself and defending yourself are not antithetical to Scripture. The “turn the other Cheeck” passage is so often misquoted and taken out of context (Even by Christians) that it’s become a weapon used against those who follow the teachings of Christ.
Trump is like a lawyer. Layers are A holes. I just want mine to be the best A Hole
By stokesjokes
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rtb72 wrote: December 19th, 2019, 2:13 pm
stokesjokes wrote: December 19th, 2019, 1:39 pm Hey guys, I’m a long-time lurker who usually likes to read opinions instead of giving them, but I’m bored at work lol


Are we really defending Trump’s generosity? The guy who just had to pay $2 million for stealing from charities? Or how about the $25 million for the Trump University scam?


And let’s talk about this whole “fighter” business. Can anyone tell me which fruit of the spirit that is? I know he isn’t the “pastor in chief”, ]but are we really trying to say we need a non-Christian to lead us so he can do things that Christians shouldn’t?

It breaks my heart when I see so many Christians not only excuse but endorse this “counter-puncher” mentality. What did Jesus tell us to do when someone strikes you? Hit them back?
Just asking here......are you implying all the Presidents before Trump were Christian? In speech? In action? Because of assumptions by the electorate?
I’m only talking about Trump and how we, as Christians, should evaluate those we support to lead. I can understand those who say “but the policies!” But where is the condemnation of the poor behavior? Are we too afraid of losing our political influence?
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Purple Haize wrote: December 19th, 2019, 2:32 pm
stokesjokes wrote: December 19th, 2019, 1:39 pm Hey guys, I’m a long-time lurker who usually likes to read opinions instead of giving them, but I’m bored at work lol


Are we really defending Trump’s generosity? The guy who just had to pay $2 million for stealing from charities? Or how about the $25 million for the Trump University scam?


And let’s talk about this whole “fighter” business. Can anyone tell me which fruit of the spirit that is? I know he isn’t the “pastor in chief”, but are we really trying to say we need a non-Christian to lead us so he can do things that Christians shouldn’t?

It breaks my heart when I see so many Christians not only excuse but endorse this “counter-puncher” mentality. What did Jesus tell us to do when someone strikes you? Hit them back?
There are lots of layers to the Charity and Trump University story I won’t get into. Not a great look but not pure evil either
As for the counter puncher, yep I’m a big fan. Too many times we lay down in the face of attack on our principles. Standing up for yourself and defending yourself are not antithetical to Scripture. The “turn the other Cheeck” passage is so often misquoted and taken out of context (Even by Christians) that it’s become a weapon used against those who follow the teachings of Christ.
Trump is like a lawyer. Layers are A holes. I just want mine to be the best A Hole
So what is the context that I’m missing? And can you explain “standing up for yourself and defending yourself are not antithetical to scripture?” Not sure I follow that
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stokesjokes wrote: December 19th, 2019, 2:34 pm
rtb72 wrote: December 19th, 2019, 2:13 pm
stokesjokes wrote: December 19th, 2019, 1:39 pm Hey guys, I’m a long-time lurker who usually likes to read opinions instead of giving them, but I’m bored at work lol


Are we really defending Trump’s generosity? The guy who just had to pay $2 million for stealing from charities? Or how about the $25 million for the Trump University scam?


And let’s talk about this whole “fighter” business. Can anyone tell me which fruit of the spirit that is? I know he isn’t the “pastor in chief”, ]but are we really trying to say we need a non-Christian to lead us so he can do things that Christians shouldn’t?

It breaks my heart when I see so many Christians not only excuse but endorse this “counter-puncher” mentality. What did Jesus tell us to do when someone strikes you? Hit them back?
Just asking here......are you implying all the Presidents before Trump were Christian? In speech? In action? Because of assumptions by the electorate?
I’m only talking about Trump and how we, as Christians, should evaluate those we support to lead. I can understand those who say “but the policies!” But where is the condemnation of the poor behavior? Are we too afraid of losing our political influence?
I think there are those who support Trump's policy positions who have commented on his poor character. I am one. I was a Ted Cruz guy. I did not like Trump AT ALL. But...….I now support him (not the man per se, the President).

Where I get stuck is when I am asked that very question about speaking out....and the one's asking have been silent with past administrations who have been worse. (Not suggesting you specifically...but many who ask that question)

Ex1-How many people who supported Hillary called her out for Benghazi? It was crickets on the left. Ex2-When President Obama ran in 2012....did his supporters say "I support President Obama, but the distribution of firearms to the drug cartels and his alignment with the racist Jeremiah Wright was just bad juju" I never heard it. I use to be fairly quiet about who I supported. I still am in many ways. But when I start getting called on the carpet and at the same time see blatant hypocrisy and double standard applications....well, that in part is why Trump was elected.

And don't even get me started on party platform.....I don't know how anyone can sit idly by as a democrat and watch the party specifically delete "God" from their convention while promoting near birth abortion. But I also realize, that is NOT ALL DEMOCRATS, so I don't assume that. But I also don't hear those same democrats calling out anyone on those matters.
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LU 57 wrote: December 19th, 2019, 2:16 pm
stokesjokes wrote: December 19th, 2019, 1:39 pm Hey guys, I’m a long-time lurker who usually likes to read opinions instead of giving them, but I’m bored at work lol


Are we really defending Trump’s generosity? The guy who just had to pay $2 million for stealing from charities? Or how about the $25 million for the Trump University scam?


And let’s talk about this whole “fighter” business. Can anyone tell me which fruit of the spirit that is? I know he isn’t the “pastor in chief”, but are we really trying to say we need a non-Christian to lead us so he can do things that Christians shouldn’t?

It breaks my heart when I see so many Christians not only excuse but endorse this “counter-puncher” mentality. What did Jesus tell us to do when someone strikes you? Hit them back?
I am somewhere in the middle on this. I pretty much find President Trump’s antics as loathesome as you do; however he has led some policy changes that I am totally in favor of -Supreme Court, tax reform, increased defense spending, religious discrimination, etc.

As for the “counter-puncher” argument, I find it humorous but not helpful. I agree with those that say God can use anyone, but I do not buy the King David comparison. The key missing component is the repentance. DJT was not even willing to say that he had EVER sinned.

All considered, not a big fan of the lesser of two evils thing, but I am likely to vote for him in 2020 given how far left the Dems have moved. I did not vote for either major candidate in 2016.

Anyway, I think there are a lot of folks like me who will do the same.
I think this is reasonable.

My take on the lesser of 2 evils thing is that at the base of it, it’s how you view ethics. If you believe in utilitarian ethics, you make the choice that gives you the best chance of the best likely outcome. My understanding would be that Christian ethics are prescriptive, that the morality of the choice is not based on the outcome. So, for me, last election, I voted for the person I believed best suited for the job, even though it wasn’t likely that he would win, because I viewed the morality of the choice based on the choice itself, not the outcome.
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rtb72 wrote: December 19th, 2019, 2:53 pm
stokesjokes wrote: December 19th, 2019, 2:34 pm
rtb72 wrote: December 19th, 2019, 2:13 pm

Just asking here......are you implying all the Presidents before Trump were Christian? In speech? In action? Because of assumptions by the electorate?
I’m only talking about Trump and how we, as Christians, should evaluate those we support to lead. I can understand those who say “but the policies!” But where is the condemnation of the poor behavior? Are we too afraid of losing our political influence?
I think there are those who support Trump's policy positions who have commented on his poor character. I am one. I was a Ted Cruz guy. I did not like Trump AT ALL. But...….I now support him (not the man per se, the President).

Where I get stuck is when I am asked that very question about speaking out....and the one's asking have been silent with past administrations who have been worse. (Not suggesting you specifically...but many who ask that question)

Ex1-How many people who supported Hillary called her out for Benghazi? It was crickets on the left. Ex2-When President Obama ran in 2012....did his supporters say "I support President Obama, but the distribution of firearms to the drug cartels and his alignment with the racist Jeremiah Wright was just bad juju" I never heard it. I use to be fairly quiet about who I supported. I still am in many ways. But when I start getting called on the carpet and at the same time see blatant hypocrisy and double standard applications....well, that in part is why Trump was elected.

And don't even get me started on party platform.....I don't know how anyone can sit idly by as a democrat and watch the party specifically delete "God" from their convention while promoting near birth abortion. But I also realize, that is NOT ALL DEMOCRATS, so I don't assume that. But I also don't hear those same democrats calling out anyone on those matters.
Yeah, I think too often we identify so strongly with our “team” that we are afraid to criticize those “on our side.”
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By Purple Haize
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@stokesjokes you’re standing up for and defending yourself now. If I ask for you to send me $1000 and you don’t why not ? I asked for it. Will you defend that decision. When someone comes at you with physical Ill intent will you let them have their way with you and your loved ones?
Do you defend your faith in the face of of contention? Or do you just hide your light under a bushel?
Basically if you don’t agree you are defending.
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By Purple Haize
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rtb72 wrote: December 19th, 2019, 2:53 pm
stokesjokes wrote: December 19th, 2019, 2:34 pm
rtb72 wrote: December 19th, 2019, 2:13 pm

Just asking here......are you implying all the Presidents before Trump were Christian? In speech? In action? Because of assumptions by the electorate?
I’m only talking about Trump and how we, as Christians, should evaluate those we support to lead. I can understand those who say “but the policies!” But where is the condemnation of the poor behavior? Are we too afraid of losing our political influence?
I think there are those who support Trump's policy positions who have commented on his poor character. I am one. I was a Ted Cruz guy. I did not like Trump AT ALL. But...….I now support him (not the man per se, the President).

Where I get stuck is when I am asked that very question about speaking out....and the one's asking have been silent with past administrations who have been worse. (Not suggesting you specifically...but many who ask that question)

Ex1-How many people who supported Hillary called her out for Benghazi? It was crickets on the left. Ex2-When President Obama ran in 2012....did his supporters say "I support President Obama, but the distribution of firearms to the drug cartels and his alignment with the racist Jeremiah Wright was just bad juju" I never heard it. I use to be fairly quiet about who I supported. I still am in many ways. But when I start getting called on the carpet and at the same time see blatant hypocrisy and double standard applications....well, that in part is why Trump was elected.

And don't even get me started on party platform.....I don't know how anyone can sit idly by as a democrat and watch the party specifically delete "God" from their convention while promoting near birth abortion. But I also realize, that is NOT ALL DEMOCRATS, so I don't assume that. But I also don't hear those same democrats calling out anyone on those matters.
The issue with saying Trump did something “wrong” 99 times out of 100 the person asking you to condemn that one thing will then try to extrapolate that to get you to agree with Impeachment or else you are a racist Nazi homophob.
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Purple Haize wrote: December 19th, 2019, 3:20 pm
rtb72 wrote: December 19th, 2019, 2:53 pm
stokesjokes wrote: December 19th, 2019, 2:34 pm

I’m only talking about Trump and how we, as Christians, should evaluate those we support to lead. I can understand those who say “but the policies!” But where is the condemnation of the poor behavior? Are we too afraid of losing our political influence?
I think there are those who support Trump's policy positions who have commented on his poor character. I am one. I was a Ted Cruz guy. I did not like Trump AT ALL. But...….I now support him (not the man per se, the President).

Where I get stuck is when I am asked that very question about speaking out....and the one's asking have been silent with past administrations who have been worse. (Not suggesting you specifically...but many who ask that question)

Ex1-How many people who supported Hillary called her out for Benghazi? It was crickets on the left. Ex2-When President Obama ran in 2012....did his supporters say "I support President Obama, but the distribution of firearms to the drug cartels and his alignment with the racist Jeremiah Wright was just bad juju" I never heard it. I use to be fairly quiet about who I supported. I still am in many ways. But when I start getting called on the carpet and at the same time see blatant hypocrisy and double standard applications....well, that in part is why Trump was elected.

And don't even get me started on party platform.....I don't know how anyone can sit idly by as a democrat and watch the party specifically delete "God" from their convention while promoting near birth abortion. But I also realize, that is NOT ALL DEMOCRATS, so I don't assume that. But I also don't hear those same democrats calling out anyone on those matters.
The issue with saying Trump did something “wrong” 99 times out of 100 the person asking you to condemn that one thing will then try to extrapolate that to get you to agree with Impeachment or else you are a racist Nazi homophob.
Sad but true. And that's why a lot of people stayed silent in the last election about supporting Trump. They knew what was coming if they even hinted they did.....
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Purple Haize wrote: December 19th, 2019, 3:17 pm @stokesjokes you’re standing up for and defending yourself now. If I ask for you to send me $1000 and you don’t why not ? I asked for it. Will you defend that decision. When someone comes at you with physical Ill intent will you let them have their way with you and your loved ones?
Do you defend your faith in the face of of contention? Or do you just hide your light under a bushel?
Basically if you don’t agree you are defending.
Ok ok, fair enough on some of those. But if we’re talking about the president, we aren’t talking about standing up for values, we are talking about name-calling, insulting, and bullying.

Here’s where I sit with it. It’s hard for me to reconcile things like:

Turn the other cheek- Matt. 5:38
The meek will inherit the earth- Matt 5:5
Jesus rebuking Peter for defending him- Matt 26
Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you- Matt 5:44
Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but repay evil with blessing- 1 Peter 3:9

With “counter-punching,” especially in the way Trump does it.

And if we were to go further with it, I think it’s hard to justify self defense (violent self-defense) with any of these teachings. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, but self defense does not seem to be a value Jesus taught.
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By chris leedlelee
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@stokesjokes, While Trump may not be an adherent of the Christian faith (only God knows the heart, however), he certainly is the greatest ally the Christian faith has had in American culture since Reagan. Name a President in recent memory who has been such a staunch supporter and ally of Israel as well. While the Left looks to their political leaders for moral direction, we, as Christians and as those who believe in limited government, only look to Christ. Trump, whether we like it or not, is a dam that is holding back the ill intentions of the left from restricting the religious freedom of Christians. Not to mention, Trump has nominated two pro-life judges, and will likely nominate more. On that basis alone, the Christian has a moral justification for supporting him.
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By Jonathan Carone
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I can buy counter punching and standing up for yourself when you keep it above board.

What I can't buy is when you say things about someone's husband being in hell, going after an autistic 16 year old, or the other obviously personal attacks against people who disagree with him. We don't stand for personal attacks on a message board, much less from the president of the country.

For all of you who support him for policies - I get it. The Supreme Court factor was by far the driving force in supporting him from many people I know.

From my seat squarely in the middle, what I see is the American Church losing more and more influence to every day people because the public speaking leaders aren't separating policy from personal conduct. In fact, they're doing what it takes to defend the president's conduct which, to an unbelieving world, comes across as hypocritical. We've become a nation who elevates our political party over our faith and in doing so will justify things we wouldn't otherwise accept in order to keep or gain political power.
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