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By NotAJerry
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Anybody keeping up with this? It's stunning to me that the defense attorney literally opened with a knock-knock joke and still seems to be doing better than the prosecution.
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By RubberMallet
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NotAJerry wrote:Anybody keeping up with this? It's stunning to me that the defense attorney literally opened with a knock-knock joke and still seems to be doing better than the prosecution.
he knows the prosecution was forced into this stupid trial and that they have nothing but wildly circumstantial evidence.

zimmerman is an idiot but whatever. he should be charged with something but i'm not exactly sure what. but by looking at the law, he'll be a free man soon.
By thepostman
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nobody really knows what happened...I don't think its 2nd degree murder but I won't feel bad if Zimmerman goes to jail for at little while. There was absolutely no reason for him to feel like he should take the law into his hands. He was an idiot and clearly a bit overzealous. Its just dumb that this whole thing was made into a racial thing right off the bat. It really craps on everything and puts everybody in an bad position.
By JK37
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Everybody in a bad position...and ratings skyrocket. Without race being emphasized, the story remains a local one.
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By Purple Haize
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The whole thing is a recipe for disaster. An over anxious Neighborhood Watch guy and an ill tempered kid. What Zimmerman did at first, following and asking what he was doing was a little too nosy but not criminal. Martin didnt need to react in a physically violent way. So there's your ingredients. The question becomes do you get to pull a gun and shoot someone if you are losing a fist fight or was he legitimately in fear of his life?
Martins 'girlfriend' annoyed but not as much as the people who defended her. Although she was GOLD on TV you just can't act like that in court, I don't care who you are
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By alabama24
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Purple Haize wrote:The whole thing is a recipe for disaster. An over anxious Neighborhood Watch guy and an ill tempered kid. What Zimmerman did at first, following and asking what he was doing was a little too nosy but not criminal.
How is it "too nosy" for a Neighborhood Watch guy to ask a suspicious character (wearing a hoodie) what he is doing? I don't know if Zimmerman went to far in his pursuit of Trayvon, but a community certainly has the right to form a neighborhood watch and to keep track of strangers in the area.
By Yacht Rock
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alabama24 wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:The whole thing is a recipe for disaster. An over anxious Neighborhood Watch guy and an ill tempered kid. What Zimmerman did at first, following and asking what he was doing was a little too nosy but not criminal.
How is it "too nosy" for a Neighborhood Watch guy to ask a suspicious character (wearing a hoodie) what he is doing? I don't know if Zimmerman went to far in his pursuit of Trayvon, but a community certainly has the right to form a neighborhood watch and to keep track of strangers in the area.
I think this is a good question to ask and I don't know the right answer. In my opinion, a lot rests on how Zimmerman identified himself when he approached Martin. If someone who didn't appear to be a police officer approached me aggressively with a gun, hard to say which direction I would go in. Either run or fight are really the only two reasonable options. Sit around and talk nicely about it probably doesn't sound to appetizing.

Reminds me of what happened to those girls who were buying sparkling water but plainclothes ABC officers drew guns and asked them to exit their vehicle and then they drove off scared and almost ran them over and then they were charged with assaulting an officer and running from the police or something silly (charges were later dropped).

Something similar happened to me years ago when I was sitting quietly in a parking lot in my car and someone came up to my car, knocked on my window really loud and said "Get out" and had a gun drawn. From my perspective, I was being carjacked or something. I started to drive off and then I saw sirens and realized that it must have been an officer of the law. They thought I was someone else but needless to say, it scared the crap out of me.

I think it is perfectly okay to use lethal force in self defense. "Fear for your life" is such a relative term and really no way to prove or disprove since it has less to do with actions and more to do with feelings. I think the big question is, who started the altercation and, if you start an altercation, are you able to end it, lethally, when you're losing the fight. Maybe we just look at society like the old west and say, "Hey when you choose to engage someone else, be warned, your life could be at stake." I'm not necessarily against that save for the fact that a lot of youngins make stupid mistakes and get in fights when they should just move along. I think that may have been Martin's mistake. Engaging Zimmerman when he should have just kept moving.
By thepostman
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If I questioned every person I saw wearing a hoodie walking through my neighborhood then I would have to make that my full time job...
By Yacht Rock
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thepostman wrote:If I questioned every person I saw wearing a hoodie walking through my neighborhood then I would have to make that my full time job...
Yeah...on another note, sometimes I dislike when causes take ownership of something they want to identify with. For awhile, after this thing first went down, I had to stop wearing a hoodie because people were looking at me, pumping their first in the air and shouting "Justice for Trayvon." I just wore it because it was comfortable.

Sort of like the rainbow...why can't I put a rainbow on my car just because it looks cool. :|
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By NotAJerry
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alabama24 wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:The whole thing is a recipe for disaster. An over anxious Neighborhood Watch guy and an ill tempered kid. What Zimmerman did at first, following and asking what he was doing was a little too nosy but not criminal.
How is it "too nosy" for a Neighborhood Watch guy to ask a suspicious character (wearing a hoodie) what he is doing? I don't know if Zimmerman went to far in his pursuit of Trayvon, but a community certainly has the right to form a neighborhood watch and to keep track of strangers in the area.
After being repeatedly told by the dispatcher to not engage Martin, it goes from Neighborhood Watch guy to overzealous ex security guard where he got fired for the same kind of behavior. If he does what he should have there, instead of showing the same kind of behavior that got him fired from a security job, then it's likely nobody gets shot here and there's no trial to even talk about. Once he was on the ground though, I have no problem with his use of force.
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By Purple Haize
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Yacht Rock wrote:
thepostman wrote:If I questioned every person I saw wearing a hoodie walking through my neighborhood then I would have to make that my full time job...
Yeah...on another note, sometimes I dislike when causes take ownership of something they want to identify with. For awhile, after this thing first went down, I had to stop wearing a hoodie because people were looking at me, pumping their first in the air and shouting "Justice for Trayvon." I just wore it because it was comfortable.

Sort of like the rainbow...why can't I put a rainbow on my car just because it looks cool. :|
I thought the rainbow looks pretty in your car window.
Like I said both guys were a recipe for disaster when mixed. I'm not sure shooting a guy because you are losing a fist fight is warranted. But if Zimmerman was truly walking away and Martin jumped him then yeah. I can't believe the prosecutor isn't saying MARTIN was in fear of his life which is why he got into it with Zimmerman
By 4everfsu
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Dispatcher have no legal authority, even the detective said Zimmerman following did not constitute anything illegal.
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By jbock13
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thepostman wrote:I still think he was an idiot for doing so...
And that's fine. We can disagree on that. But of course, the question really is, was it murder?
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By jbock13
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Purple Haize wrote:
Yacht Rock wrote:
thepostman wrote:If I questioned every person I saw wearing a hoodie walking through my neighborhood then I would have to make that my full time job...
Yeah...on another note, sometimes I dislike when causes take ownership of something they want to identify with. For awhile, after this thing first went down, I had to stop wearing a hoodie because people were looking at me, pumping their first in the air and shouting "Justice for Trayvon." I just wore it because it was comfortable.

Sort of like the rainbow...why can't I put a rainbow on my car just because it looks cool. :|
I thought the rainbow looks pretty in your car window.
Like I said both guys were a recipe for disaster when mixed. I'm not sure shooting a guy because you are losing a fist fight is warranted. But if Zimmerman was truly walking away and Martin jumped him then yeah. I can't believe the prosecutor isn't saying MARTIN was in fear of his life which is why he got into it with Zimmerman
Not sure how that can be. It's seems by the evidence that Zimmerman was attacked by Trayvon after feeling "disrespected".
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By NotAJerry
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4everfsu wrote:Dispatcher have no legal authority, even the detective said Zimmerman following did not constitute anything illegal.
Legal is not the standard for whether something is stupid or not. He caused an unnecessary escalation in the situation by exhibiting the kind of behavior that got him fired as a security guard.
By thepostman
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jbock13 wrote:
thepostman wrote:I still think he was an idiot for doing so...
And that's fine. We can disagree on that. But of course, the question really is, was it murder?
Of course it wasn't, and even if it was there is no way of proving it. It still doesn't change the fact that Zimmerman is an idiot.
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By 01LUGrad
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This MMA line of questioning is pretty funny. I love how the cable news commentators can't understand that just because GZ was enrolled in MMA classes for up to a year, he wasn't necessarily a professional-grade fighter.

I know tons of people who have run several times per week for far longer than a year. Guess what? They are still slow as crap.

Simply participating in an activity doesn't make you skilled at that activity.
By thepostman
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NotAJerry wrote:Image
This is without a doubt your best post ever! So funny
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