[stokesjokes]

I’ve read some nonsense in my life, but... well, now I’ve read more

[thepostman]

Any virus can be killed in heat or could be shot in cold(that's why we wash our clothes in hot water because to kills germs). The fact that they say that a virus can survive outside of a hold for 4-5 days, then why hasn't everyone in world right now have AIDs? The virus will decimate as soon as it hits air, heat, chemicals, ice but some how not covid. We are being played and it's crazy that this is still discussed by experts that are backed by VAX manufacturers. By the way, these manufacturers are receiving amnesty (national childhood vaccine injury act and HHS Secretary Azar's declaration). It's all about money and control; promoting fear can help anyone receive both. But some how it's insane to approach this disvussion thid way because the Healthcare administration says otherwise? This is ridiculous; we should still be in the bubonic era right now(and people weren't even as sanitary like we are now). Fungus though can live on and grow. This isn't a fungus. This is just a cover up for something else. I know that folks think the 5G discussion is a joke but a lot of these towers are coming up and being deployed(since most streets are either empty or less busy). This will bring radiation which causes flu like symptoms(why a lot of people think that they have covid) and even cancer and leukemia. One can't go outside and and ketch a virus; has to come from an infected person's body fluids which will have to get inside of someone else (kissing is a way to transfer a virus). BTW I'm not some MAGA 4 life individual as some would say.

P.S. Also, bleach,vinegar and peroxide kills any disease; man made disease can be reversed. Have a high immune system as well (which is an issue in the U.S.). We've had more deaths in the U.S. in the past three years than this year. Yet these wicked people have destroyed millions of Americans livelihood and pointing fingers.

This whole post has a ton of issues but can you at least source what I have bolded? I know where you got your other thoughts but this was written as fact and I can't find data anywhere proving that statement true.

[Purple Haize]

I believe we’ve had an increase in the number of deaths over the last decade. It will be interesting to see how 2020 compares. Right now they are saying we have “excessive deaths” but that’s vague

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/20 ... 111928450/

[thepostman]

Right, but nothing indicates we have more deaths this year than we have fhe last 3 years. At least nothing I have seen. Which was my question for @cruzan_flame13

[stokesjokes]

Ya know, it may be true that fewer people have died in 2020 than in each of the last three years. It probably is true. Because it’s only August.

[thepostman]

Good point. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was looking at Jan-Aug 31st numbers of the previous 3 years.

[stokesjokes]

He lost the benefit of the doubt for me when he suggested that all viruses are supposed to be transmitted like AIDS, as if he's never heard of the common cold before.

[olldflame]

This makes just about as much sense as some of the current lockdowns/restrictions.

[stokesjokes]

This is a good explanation of the 6% and with vs of discussion. He's sympathetic to people who are against the lockdowns and masks and all the negative around that, but talks about how people have misread or distorted the data in the CDC report. He even says how dumb it was for Twitter to delete the president's tweet about it.

I finally got around to watching this video. I don’t know this guy from Adam, but if what he says about “respiratory distress” and other symptoms of COVID counting as comorbidities is true, then these stats are meaningless.

[Jonathan Carone]

He's a Stanford trained hospitalist who is fed up with the current medical system and trying to start a new way of doing things.

https://zdoggmd.com/about-z/

[Purple Haize]

He's a Stanford trained hospitalist who is fed up with the current medical system and trying to start a new way of doing things.

https://zdoggmd.com/about-z/

Yeah I know who he is. Still don’t give him a lot of credibility

[stokesjokes]

I give him credit for using the term "ding dong" as a pejorative. We should bring that back.

[Jonathan Carone]

He's a Stanford trained hospitalist who is fed up with the current medical system and trying to start a new way of doing things.

https://zdoggmd.com/about-z/

Yeah I know who he is. Still don’t give him a lot of credibility

...I was posting for the person who said they didn’t know who he was.

[Purple Haize]

And now they know he’s a Celebrity Doctor. Or at least trying to be

[cruzan_flame13]

I’ve read some nonsense in my life, but... well, now I’ve read more

It's common sense; things that have been done to solve mass of sickness instead what government (or UN funded organizations) have proposed to the public with their vague charts and their constant flip-flopping (but it's science!!). I think this video is a brief summary of allegorical our lives are at this. You can keep looking at charts and information from people who will promote fear for a buck. Keep wearing that mask or you're not a good person!

That's all I'll say about this subject. There's nothing new under the sun.

[olldflame]

[chris leedlelee]

Unfortunately common sense like this has been officially banned from the public discourse.

[stokesjokes]

I'm curious what "impactful social habits" we could focus on? Which of the black bar deaths are preventable?
It's not like money isn't flowing into cancer research, alzheimer's, etc

[flamehunter]

I'm curious what "impactful social habits" we could focus on? Which of the black bar deaths are preventable?
It's not like money isn't flowing into cancer research, alzheimer's, etc

Diet and metabolic dysfunction/disease.

[Jonathan Carone]

We missed a real opportunity during this to focus on overall health for our country. While healthy people still can contract covid, the more serious reactions are from people who are overweight and unhealthy in ways that are largely preventable. We should've rolled out an entire healthy living campaign while people have been quarantined.

[RubberMallet]

yeah obviously covid deaths will be a fraction of the deaths that take place across the world and the US. the issue with tackling the largest killers (basically obesity and heart disease) is you are basically talking the suppression of freedoms. Saving the population from itself. Do we truly have the ability to make our own decisions? or have corporations figured out how to manipulate our reasoning and cause us to live unhealthy lifestyles under the guise of "you can choose not to if you wish!". Now i'm starting to sound like Karl Marx.

But such is reality when you begin to think about placing our nations healthcare burdens at the feet of a single payer system.

[Purple Haize]

We missed a real opportunity during this to focus on overall health for our country. While healthy people still can contract covid, the more serious reactions are from people who are overweight and unhealthy in ways that are largely preventable. We should've rolled out an entire healthy living campaign while people have been quarantined.

How? People can’t go to the store to buy “healthy” food. Couldn’t go to the gym to workout. Couldn’t gather in large groups to have exercise classes. Even if they could go out a lot of stock on the shelves was empty.
In fact I would say a good deal of Americans tried to get healthier during the Rona. Did. You try to order ANY type of exercise equipment? Sold out. I switched my workouts to a sandbag routine and I was fortunate to get one early. Even after they said it would be a 10 week wait! Guns ammo and exercise equipment were the hardest things to come by. Still are.

[stokesjokes]

We missed a real opportunity during this to focus on overall health for our country. While healthy people still can contract covid, the more serious reactions are from people who are overweight and unhealthy in ways that are largely preventable. We should've rolled out an entire healthy living campaign while people have been quarantined.

How? People can’t go to the store to buy “healthy” food. Couldn’t go to the gym to workout. Couldn’t gather in large groups to have exercise classes. Even if they could go out a lot of stock on the shelves was empty.
In fact I would say a good deal of Americans tried to get healthier during the Rona. Did. You try to order ANY type of exercise equipment? Sold out. I switched my workouts to a sandbag routine and I was fortunate to get one early. Even after they said it would be a 10 week wait! Guns ammo and exercise equipment were the hardest things to come by. Still are.

I agree, I've never seen so many people walking/running in my neighborhood. This could also be an effect of gyms being closed, so maybe some would have been exercising anyway. This could also be an effect of working at home or being laid off, really.

To RubberMallet's point, when some initiatives have been tried in the past, such as regulating sugary drinks in New York, you get the whole backlash of that being a restriction on freedoms. We did have a first lady whose primary initiative was childhood obesity for 8 years, but, ultimately, it's really hard to get people to do things they wouldn't naturally choose without making it compulsory.

[Jonathan Carone]

You could absolutely get health food because grocery stores never closed. And if you weren't comfortable going into the store, every single one of them had curbside pick up.

I would agree many people tried to get healthier, but many fast food restaurants also had record revenues during the time too. Video game consoles and games were sold out for weeks and months at a time. People had to change the way they did things, but I don't know that the overall amount of people buying up exercise equipment were people who weren't exercising before.

We encouraged going for walks which was good, but we had a captive audience and could've done things better. There wasn't a national conversation around educating people to make healthier choices. We've been pushing the three W's, but we could've also had health officials use the time to educate people on ways to take better care of themselves both physically and mentally. I'm not placing blame on anyone, just looking back at a missed opportunity. The entire thing got politicized so quickly that we couldn't do the other things that could've leveraged what was going on for the better.

[stokesjokes]

You could absolutely get health food because grocery stores never closed. And if you weren't comfortable going into the store, every single one of them had curbside pick up.

I would agree many people tried to get healthier, but many fast food restaurants also had record revenues during the time too. Video game consoles and games were sold out for weeks and months at a time. People had to change the way they did things, but I don't know that the overall amount of people buying up exercise equipment were people who weren't exercising before.

We encouraged going for walks which was good, but we had a captive audience and could've done things better. There wasn't a national conversation around educating people to make healthier choices. We've been pushing the three W's, but we could've also had health officials use the time to educate people on ways to take better care of themselves both physically and mentally. I'm not placing blame on anyone, just looking back at a missed opportunity. The entire thing got politicized so quickly that we couldn't do the other things that could've leveraged what was going on for the better.

We don't listen to health officials anyway.